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I’ve come across this:

youtube.com/watch?v=H8vPd_f_oPs&feature=related

One of the main points of the speaker is that it’s wrong for a man to start dating before:
  1. He can assume a spiritual leadership over the girl
  2. He could lay down his life for her
  3. He can assume an economic care for her
The thing is that I totally disagree with him. Is that really how we interpret the Bible, and how the Church teaches us to live?

There is this passage: “Promise me, O women of Jerusalem, not to awaken love until the time is right.” (Song of Songs 8:4)
But isn’t he quoting this out of context?
I couldn’t find anything that would support this view in the Catechism. And the other passages seem to me irrelevant to the topic.

What are your thoughts?
 
I’ve come across this:

youtube.com/watch?v=H8vPd_f_oPs&feature=related

One of the main points of the speaker is that it’s wrong for a man to start dating before:
  1. He can assume a spiritual leadership over the girl
  2. He could lay down his life for her
  3. He can assume an economic care for her
The thing is that I totally disagree with him. Is that really how we interpret the Bible, and how the Church teaches us to live?

There is this passage: “Promise me, O women of Jerusalem, not to awaken love until the time is right.” (Song of Songs 8:4)
But isn’t he quoting this out of context?
I couldn’t find anything that would support this view in the Catechism. And the other passages seem to me irrelevant to the topic.

What are your thoughts?
I only read your text.
The wpeaker is wrong.
 
I’ve come across this:

youtube.com/watch?v=H8vPd_f_oPs&feature=related

One of the main points of the speaker is that it’s wrong for a man to start dating before:
  1. He can assume a spiritual leadership over the girl
  2. He could lay down his life for her
  3. He can assume an economic care for her
The thing is that I totally disagree with him. Is that really how we interpret the Bible, and how the Church teaches us to live?

There is this passage: “Promise me, O women of Jerusalem, not to awaken love until the time is right.” (Song of Songs 8:4)
But isn’t he quoting this out of context?
I couldn’t find anything that would support this view in the Catechism. And the other passages seem to me irrelevant to the topic.

What are your thoughts?
only read what you wrote…

Dating?

Certainly he needs to prepare himself for being a husband if that is his vocation…and those things fit into such (though I would word em differently etc) but lets say the guy is a college kid…he cannot date a girl cause he has not the money at the moment to support a family? …such is not the case.
 
I’ve come across this:

youtube.com/watch?v=H8vPd_f_oPs&feature=related

One of the main points of the speaker is that it’s wrong for a man to start dating before:
  1. He can assume a spiritual leadership over the girl
  2. He could lay down his life for her
  3. He can assume an economic care for her
The thing is that I totally disagree with him. Is that really how we interpret the Bible, and how the Church teaches us to live?

There is this passage: “Promise me, O women of Jerusalem, not to awaken love until the time is right.” (Song of Songs 8:4)
But isn’t he quoting this out of context?
I couldn’t find anything that would support this view in the Catechism. And the other passages seem to me irrelevant to the topic.

What are your thoughts?
this is not only a spiritual question but a practical one. If by dating, you mean exclusive mutual social activities leading to serious courtship with a view to marriage, then yes, people should wait until they are in that stage.

If you mean by dating ordinary social activity and shared interests and friends, in the years before serious romance and courtship are possible, as the older adolescent or young adult is still preparing for the responsibilities of adult life, learning the art of friendship etc. that is fine. Again, definition is everything. It goes without saying that sexual experimentation or intimacy is simply out of the question until marriage.
 
Thanks,

Obviously I’m not talking about anything sexual here.

Here is what I’m thinking about: when people are in highschool or in college surely they’re not ready to have a family yet. But many of them are in boyfriend-girlfriend relationships. I don’t know if a more experienced person would say this is a “serious romance” because I’m at that stage myself 🙂

For example: Some time ago I was dating a girl (for a very short time) who was a very good Catholic girl. She was 17, I was 21. We were in love with each other - it wasn’t just friendship - we were spending time together, holding hands, going for walks, kissing each other goodbye, that kind of stuff - but obviously nothing sexual at all. The relationship was exclusive in the sense that obviously either of us expected the other person not to do such things with other people. Surely neither of us was thinking of marriage at that stage, and I think both of us were aware that most probably, sooner or later this relationship will end. I was thinking to myself that this girl matches me so well that if I was like 10 years older I would probably propose to her 🙂 and indeed sometimes relationships like this one do evolve into marriages eventually, but let’s be realistic. So we were doing it just because we were enjoying each other’s company and feelings.

I mentioned that it lasted for a very short time, because it’s true that neither of us was ready for this. She was my first girlfriend and I didn’t know how to behave etc. - and what I’ve learnt from this experience is absolutely priceless. So in that sense I think relationships like that help in preparing to becoming a husband one day. They teach you how to love a girl, how not to scare her away, what attitude to have, etc. so I think this is what Puzzleannie means by “learning the art of friendship”. Also apart from that, now I see that she definitely brought me closer to God.

But from what follows from these arguments, this was wrong because it was beyond “friendship”, and we weren’t ready for that.

I guess my view at the issue is this: Relationships like this are necessary to learn a few lessons about how to be a good partner to your future wife. They can also bring a lot of happiness to your life (I stress again that I don’t have anything sexual in mind), and if the people share similar views they can also help each other to grow in faith as it was in my case.

Does one really have to have marriage with this person in mind when entering such a relationship? - and if not are they not allowed to make the relationship exclusive? It really doesn’t convince me. As long as two people enter a relationship for right reasons - not because the world demands young people to be dating, not because of curiosity, or because of lack of acceptance, or because of sexual thoughts or anything… but because they just feel attracted to each other - I really don’t see why they would have to stay just friends until they’re ready financially, and spiritually to become a family.

But obviously I don’t want to create my own theology so please correct me if I’m wrong 🙂
 
It is wrong to date/court when not ready. Read Love & Responsibility by JP II. People are to be loved, not used to obtain experience. Courtship should only happen when considering Marriage. Before that, only Friendship.

Love in Christ, +++

Marys_lamb
 
It is wrong to date/court when not ready. Read Love & Responsibility by JP II. People are to be loved, not used to obtain experience. Courtship should only happen when considering Marriage. Before that, only Friendship.

Love in Christ, +++

Marys_lamb
The practicality may differ. Are we really talking about “courtship” whenever teenagers go on a date, or become boyfriend/girlfriend? Or is “courtship” a state of the relationship that may develop later, when the idea of permanence is recognized?

The previous poster did not imply or suggest dating was necessarily a “device” to gain experience or a method of “using” another person. That it may provide such learning is a simple fact, which is true of all friendships, indeed of all relationships.
 
Hi,

Interesting to see my own question from such a long time ago. Thanks for the new replies.

In the meantime I’ve learnt quite a lot about the issue actually. Let me tell you about it.
As long as two people enter a relationship for *right *reasons - (…) because they just feel attracted to each other
So in the meantime I’ve been in a really serious relationship, which started for such right reasons. The girl was Catholic, beautiful, I felt attracted to her - so we started dating. Eventually we started talking about the future, about how we’re gonna get married eventually, where we will live etc etc. But we had nothing in common. No shared interests, no compatible characters, we disagreed and argued a lot about things, well it just felt like we are together for the sake of being together - when the chemistry was on it felt great, but later it felt really like a cage. I had to end it… and I’ve never regreted this decision.

A priest told me during a confession at that point that I really need to figure out what I really want, otherwise I’m just gonna hurt a lot of people around me.

So that’s about it - what’s the point of dating for the sake of dating? One needs to really figure out with the help of Holy Spirit, what kind of person he should marry, who to look for - so that later together as a couple you could use your talents and work together to build the Kingdom of God 10 times better than you could do it separately - it takes a lot of strength and trust in God’s Plan, but I strongly believe it’s gonna be worth it - please pray for me so that God helps me in finding this person.

Now, while probably when I read it after another 3 years, I might again smile and write another totally different response to myself - I really think this makes so much more sense than dating a girl just because you feel attracted to her. Now, could I come up with that without going through that previous stage? Theoretically yes - through prayer if I was open enough for the Holy Spirit - I could learn all that not by making mistakes. But practically - I think humans are not perfect, and rarely are capable of that - I think these relationships, even though not successful, were a part of God’s Plan which will in a moment known to Him, lead me to finding an amazing wife, and spreading the Good News a lot better than I’m doing it now.
 
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