David didn't commit adultery according to Muslims?

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I read somewhere that in the Quran, King David asked Uriah to divorce Bathsheba. Uriah divorced Bathsheba. David repented when two men came to him with a problem that reminded him of his wrong doings.
Yes, I read about the latter. The men asked David to adjudge which of the two men was proper owner of some ewes . The men climbed the wall into David’s private chamber.How did the two men get into fortified palace of a King?

Also the latter episode I think the Quran mixes up Prophet Nathan’s parable to King David about two men who dispute about taking an ewe lamb. It was told to David so he would see the error of his ways regarding taking Bersheba and having Uriah killed.

Bit of a jumble but I can see how Islam would find ways to make David sinless. But ruining some historical episodes and oddities about men able to sneak in to a private chamber. Just odd imo.

MJ
 
He married Bathsheba. He never ever betrayed his wife. Now I see where the misunderstanding comes from as Bathsheba was the one that betrayed her husband. David was a very loyal person. He cried bitter, bitter tears when he realized his sin. He was not even aware of the sin as he personally stated a while later.
 
He married Bathsheba. He never ever betrayed his wife. Now I see where the misunderstanding comes from as Bathsheba was the one that betrayed her husband. David was a very loyal person. He cried bitter, bitter tears when he realized his sin. He was not even aware of the sin as he personally stated a while later.
He was already married when he took Bathsheba as a wife.

While being idle, he saw Bathsheba bathing and was attracted to her. How he saw a woman taking her bath may shed some light the state of his mind at that moment. Nevertheless he purposely sent Bathsheba’s husband, Uriah, his commander, at the frontline in a battle that result in him being killed. King David then was free to marry her after the devious plot suceeded.
 
David had sex with Bathsheba who was married to Uriah and made her pregnant. That makes him committing adultery which is a sin (Thou shalt not commit adultery).

David murdered Uriah, in a plot by instructing his general Joab, “Put Uriah out in front where the fighting is fiercest. Then withdraw from him so he will be struck down and die.” That makes him a murderer which is a sin (Thou shalt not kill).

He had committed sin by transgressing the Ten Commandments given to Moses which they, the Hebrews, had to observe.

In a sense, a husband is betraying his wife if he has sex with another woman who is not her wife. At least from the wife’s viewpoint. At least from most wives’ viewpoint even if others feel that it is not.

2 Sam 11 (David and Bathsheba)
11 In the spring, at the time when kings go off to war, David sent Joab out with the king’s men and the whole Israelite army. They destroyed the Ammonites and besieged Rabbah. But David remained in Jerusalem.

2 One evening David got up from his bed and walked around on the roof of the palace. From the roof he saw a woman bathing. The woman was very beautiful, 3 and David sent someone to find out about her. The man said, “She is Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam and the wife of Uriah the Hittite.”** 4 Then David sent messengers to get her. She came to him, and he slept with her. (Now she was purifying herself from her monthly uncleanness.) Then she went back home. 5 The woman conceived and sent word to David, saying, “I am pregnant.”**

6 So David sent this word to Joab: “Send me Uriah the Hittite.” And Joab sent him to David. …

13 At David’s invitation, he ate and drank with him, and David made him drunk. But in the evening Uriah went out to sleep on his mat among his master’s servants; he did not go home.

14 In the morning David wrote a letter to Joab and sent it with Uriah. 15 In it he wrote, “Put Uriah out in front where the fighting is fiercest. Then withdraw from him so he will be struck down and die.”
 
I shoulda better kept my mouth shut this time lol. You guys opened up the whol’ can of worms.
 
the quick answer is that Muslims believe all prophets to be infallible. That’s to say they don’t commit any sins. There’s also a slight difference between Sunnis and Shias. Shia Muslims believe that Prophets are infallible in their personal life as well as their ministerial life. They don’t sin both consciously and unconsciously not because they are incapable of it but because they have a strong awareness of right vs. wrong. It’s why God chose them as his Prophets. Just as you wouldn’t go naked outside because it’s below your moral standard and you would be consciously aware of how wrong it is Prophets don’t sin because they are consciously aware of sin.

The principle of infallibility applies to all the Prophets from Adam to Muhammad and the imams (blessings on them all). This principle is tied to another principle, “divine justice” which states that God is always just and never unjust to any of his creation without exception.

The idea of a Prophet who can sin would put us in a catch 22 situation where on one hand God asks us to follow his prophets and on the other hand asks us to stay away from sin. If we accept that a prophet could sin then that would mean a prophet is capable of leading his people into sin whether he does it knowingly or unknowingly. If God were to allow such a thing it would mean that God is not absolutely Just.
 
The idea of a Prophet who can sin would put us in a catch 22 situation where on one hand God asks us to follow his prophets and on the other hand asks us to stay away from sin. If we accept that a prophet could sin then that would mean a prophet is capable of leading his people into sin whether he does it knowingly or unknowingly. If God were to allow such a thing it would mean that God is not absolutely Just.
Thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut on the Islamic perspective, famdigy.

The above quote is interesting that I find compel to comment. If you like, you can compare Christianity perspective thought too on this. It is true that prophets should show the example. Here lies the difference. In Christianity, the most important example that the prophets can show us is the willingness to repent; not about perfection (incapable of committing sin). We believe that all humans sin including the prophets. This is admitted even in the Gospel and the letters of the NT. It is difficult to avoid sin, and mind you the standard in Christianity is quite high, but most important is that when we sin we should repent and turn back to God. This is what the prophets did and in this example, what King David did, when he repented after sinning.

Repentance is one of the main messages of Jesus. The famous story of the Prodigal Son is an example of repentance. God honors repented sinners, prophets included; it does not make them any less holy because one who repents will be as white as snow in the eyes of God and will truly be acceptable to him. The take home message from the prophets therefore is to repent when we sin; not that we are ‘infallible’ (from sin).

Edit: I said one of the main messages because there were many good, holy, faithful, and devoted things that prophets did which should be examples for us too besides the teaching that they revealed. Of course, not that we should sin if we can help it. Sin has a consequence as David found out and it should be avoided. Yet we fall sometimes.
 
the quick answer is that Muslims believe all prophets to be infallible. That’s to say they don’t commit any sins. …
Quibble, but the word is impeccable, not infallible. Infallible is a negative protection meaning that when you undertake something your efforts cannot fail. An impeccable person is not only always right, but always behaves uprightly.

Catholics need to be careful lest the pagans get the wrong idea when we say that the pope is infallible in his teaching ministry. Pope’s are demonstrably NOT impeccable in that regard! But muslims do seem to believe that prophets ARE impeccable. Thus when biblical evidence seems to contradict them, they find it convenient to pull out the “corrupted christian and Jewish texts” canard.
 
@ Reuben J,

I get what you’re saying and I appreciate the response. I wouldn’t say they are incapable of sinning because that in my mind implies they can’t sin. Instead they can but chose not to because they have elevated themselves to a spiritual level or impeccable state as manualman pointed where they are highly concious of sin and therefore do not sin. I know it’s splitting hairs but wanted to add that for clarity.

I guess the question which comes to mind is how can one be sure they are following their prophet in right conduct without any doubt or hesitation of falling into sin?

if a prophet commits sins or makes mistakes then how can we be sure we’re not following him into sin? and how long does God wait before correcting that sin. is it immediate, does He wait a day, a month, a year? and how many people would fall into sin before God corrects it?

It seems counter intuitive and so I like to believe we’re capable of learning the value of repentance and the prophet’s are capable of teaching us that value without falling into sin themselves.
 
@ Reuben J,

I get what you’re saying and I appreciate the response. I wouldn’t say they are incapable of sinning because that in my mind implies they can’t sin. Instead they can but chose not to because they have elevated themselves to a spiritual level or impeccable state as manualman pointed where they are highly concious of sin and therefore do not sin. I know it’s splitting hairs but wanted to add that for clarity.

I guess the question which comes to mind is how can one be sure they are following their prophet in right conduct without any doubt or hesitation of falling into sin?

if a prophet commits sins or makes mistakes then how can we be sure we’re not following him into sin? and how long does God wait before correcting that sin. is it immediate, does He wait a day, a month, a year? and how many people would fall into sin before God corrects it?

It seems counter intuitive and so I like to believe we’re capable of learning the value of repentance and the prophet’s are capable of teaching us that value without falling into sin themselves.
Yet, again I am speaking from Christianity perspective. Thanks for the clarification on the first paragraph. I mistook you when you used the word ‘infallible’ and tried to figure what you meant. That seems to be perfectly reasonable to me – they can sin but choose not to. In reality however, often times we are at a cross road and when it comes to this, very often we make that right choice and do not sin. But it is true also that it is not always a matter of choice but that we sin because it is out of our control.

We do not make justification for the various types of sin which when committed put us in confrontation with God. Sins ranging from merely wrong thought (example: rebel against God’s word, lust, murderous anger or coveting) to the actual action in committing them (example: disobedient to God, adultery, murder, or stealing). Thus it is nearly impossible for humans, prophets included, not to sin at one time or another in their lives.

As for the role of the prophets, they were to proclaim God’s message or spoke on behalf of God. You got good point there, for how could the people knew what to believe if the prophets’ way of life showed otherwise? This is of course a problem. From the Bible however, there were always occasions, always there were certain people who did not believe the prophets regardless of their impeccable way of lives. Elijah challenged them to perform miracles and John the Baptist was beheaded and these two prophets were some of the most impeccable of them.

Thus it is important to take the prophets’ word which usually was proclaimed in the name of God and not what they did if they fell into sin. Jesus made that clearer, do not follow what they do but follow their teaching for they are occupying the seat of Moses. This was when he referred to the hypocritical Pharisees, the teachers of the law
 
Quibble, but the word is impeccable, not infallible. Infallible is a negative protection meaning that when you undertake something your efforts cannot fail. An impeccable person is not only always right, but always behaves uprightly.

Catholics need to be careful lest the pagans get the wrong idea when we say that the pope is infallible in his teaching ministry. Pope’s are demonstrably NOT impeccable in that regard! But muslims do seem to believe that prophets ARE impeccable. Thus when biblical evidence seems to contradict them, they find it convenient to pull out the “corrupted christian and Jewish texts” canard.
For the sake of dialogue with Muslims I would try to avoid showing distrust of them. That they will just give an excuse such as what you mention as canard.

Firstly because some Muslims may say that the Christians corrupted the texts but that is not true as far as the Quran is concerned; ofcourse it is unfortunate that the Quran states that the Jews corrupted the texts:(

That said, I would ask Muslims to really reflect on why would the hebrew texts be corrupted? After all Jews were closer to the events. There needs to be an accurate assessment rather than suggesting debasement that texts were hampered with corruption.

My two cents.

MJ
 
Yet, again I am speaking from Christianity perspective.
Ruben, thank you for the response. From the Islamic perspective God has commanded absolute obedience to the Prophets and Imams. I was wondering if Christians believe the same?
 
I thought the muslims believed in the same OT stories as the Christians…

Is this true
Wrong. While there is in part some simular storiies, most have been changed, twisted to thier favor.

They claim that the scripture was first re-written by the jews in the jewish favor and lies put in. So now, mohamed has given them the true version. this applies to the NT as well.

In effect, it is a basardtization of Holy Scripture. For both the jew and the christian

My apopogy if I have broken any forum rule here but i find no other way to answer this quetion as to the what is to believed by muslims in their holy book.

The truth is the truth.
 
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