(Day)Dreams of being pope,

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Blessings.
I keep having dreams and daydreams about being pope and I can not figure out why.
I do not even want to be, and I can not even be a priest, so that would make it very unusual for me as a lay person if I where to be elected. (Though not impossible)

And when I prayed for answers on this and other related subjects I always got strange signs like visions and things I wont say because nobody will believe me.

I am already planning on bringing it up in my talk with my good friend father Robert, but I would appreciate some thoughts.

So what do you think? 🙂
 
Random thoughts are random. I personally wouldn’t think much of it. I’ve had weird thoughts about all kinds of things, but none of them have ever had a reflection in reality.

The imagination is a strange thing. The more you fixate upon it, the more weirdness it will produce. The better thing to do is to take those thoughts, consider whether they are relevant or even logical consider your current state in life, and if they are not, let yourself forget about them.
 
dshix said:
Random thoughts are random. I personally wouldn’t think much of it. I’ve had weird thoughts about all kinds of things, but none of them have ever had a reflection in reality.

The imagination is a strange thing. The more you fixate upon it, the more weirdness it will produce. The better thing to do is to take those thoughts, consider whether they are relevant or even logical consider your current state in life, and if they are not, let yourself forget about them.
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I tried.

But the imagination can not make real things hapen now can it?

Can my imagination give me a daydream of pope Benedict resigning/lightning hitting Saint Peters basilica, just like how Fra. Hieronymus of Ferrara predicted the lighting strike on the dome of the Santa Maria Del Fiore? 🤷

Can my imagination make Pope Francis walk into a Roman church 5 minites after i prayed for a sign? 🤷
 
LVCIVS_DEI said:
I tried.

But the imagination can not make real things hapen now can it?

Can my imagination give me a daydream of pope Benedict resigning/lightning hitting Saint Peters basilica, just like how Fra. Hieronymus of Ferrara predicted the lighting strike on the dome of the Santa Maria Del Fiore? 🤷

Can my imagination make Pope Francis walk into a Roman church 5 minites after i prayed for a sign? 🤷
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No, the imagination cannot make any of these things happen. But these things can happen by coincidence.

It is unlikely that you’re having any sort of prophetic visions unless you are an extremely holy person who is being granted miraculous sight by God to perform His will.

Tell us: are you a saint on earth? 🙂
 
dshix said:
No, the imagination cannot make any of these things happen. But these things can happen by coincidence.

It is unlikely that you’re having any sort of prophetic visions unless you are an extremely holy person who is being granted miraculous sight by God to perform His will.

Tell us: are you a saint on earth? 🙂
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There are only two answers to that question and both are a slippery slope into the jaws of vanity.

On the one hand I can say yes I am:
But in that case I would be a vane, arrogant fool, and I would have probably told more people about this a whole lot sooner in a bid to become more popular, or become some sort of mystic antipope like Clemente Gomez.

And that is MOST CERTAINLY NOT my intention. 🙂

The second answers seems the most logical at first glance.
No I am not.

But that is what all saints would say, and I know this, so subconsciously I would still be saying yes, but without the vanity smeared on top like I put chocolate paste on my bread.

So the real question is:
Would I know I where one? 🙂
 
LVCIVS_DEI said:
There are only two answers to that question and both are a slippery slope into the jaws of vanity.

On the one hand I can say yes I am:
But in that case I would be a vane, arrogant fool, and I would have probably told more people about this a whole lot sooner in a bid to become more popular, or become some sort of mystic antipope like Clemente Gomez.

And that is MOST CERTAINLY NOT my intention. 🙂

The second answers seems the most logical at first glance.
No I am not.

But that is what all saints would say, and I know this, so subconsciously I would still be saying yes, but without the vanity smeared on top like I put chocolate paste on my bread.

So the real question is:
Would I know I where one? 🙂
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Good, you correctly identified the point I was making. 🙂

We really shouldn’t give these kinds of imaginative thoughts or dreams any weight at all unless it is very clear that they come with a sign - at this point, they should be reviewed with a spiritual director who can see us as we truly are, and will guide us toward the right course of action.

It’s always safer to assume that visions or locutions are nothing. If they are real, don’t worry, God will make sure you know. 🙂
 
dshix said:
Good, you correctly identified the point I was making. 🙂

We really shouldn’t give these kinds of imaginative thoughts or dreams any weight at all unless it is very clear that they come with a sign - at this point, they should be reviewed with a spiritual director who can see us as we truly are, and will guide us toward the right course of action.

It’s always safer to assume that visions or locutions are nothing. If they are real, don’t worry, God will make sure you know. 🙂
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I came to the same conclusion, so thanks.
And I will bring it up in my talk with father Robert.

PS:I tried to ignore the signs but that seems to make them more intense. 🙂
Though I must admit that patience is not my primal virtue. 🤷
 
dshix said:
No, the imagination cannot make any of these things happen. But these things can happen by coincidence.

It is unlikely that you’re having any sort of prophetic visions unless you are an extremely holy person who is being granted miraculous sight by God to perform His will.

Tell us: are you a saint on earth? 🙂
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While it is not impossible that these thoughts could have come about through a number of reasons, is not to say that there was no relevance.

Everything matters and coincidence is rarely the case in the Catholic faith for those who are praying regularly. Everything happens for a reason.
 
** . . .for great is the day of YHWH,
and very terrible–who can face it?
…
… .your old men shall dream dreams,
and your young men see visions. . .
. . .
before the day of YHWH dawns,
that great and terrible day.**
Joel 2:11, 28,31.

Thanks for sharing.

According to the much ballyhooed Prophecy of the Popes, there is to be only one more Pope after Francis, and that person is named in the Prophecy as “Peter of Rome, who will feed his sheep . . .”
So, unless you are the reincarnation of St. Peter, you will not be the next and last Pope (at least not according to this so-called Prophecy.)

I suggest taking your dreams and visions seriously.
 
One of the main theories of dreaming is that dreams are largely the brain processing information and experiences from our life in recent days. Most of my dreams are such. If you’re daydreaming about this on a regular basis, then I would 100% expect it to be part of your nightly dreams, in which case those dreams probably don’t “mean” anything more than your brain is processing your daytime thoughts.

I can’t say much about your daydreams and visions, but I’m not seeing a reason to give your nightly dreams any relevance beyond the normal brain processing functions.
 
dshix said:
No, the imagination cannot make any of these things happen. But these things can happen by coincidence.

It is unlikely that you’re having any sort of prophetic visions unless you are an extremely holy person who is being granted miraculous sight by God to perform His will.

Tell us: are you a saint on earth? 🙂
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You don’t need to be holy to receive visions from God. Case in point: Saul on the Damascus road. You don’t need to be holy to prophesy, either, as Caiaphas in the gospel proved.

OP, you can’t be pope if you can’t be a priest. The Pope is the Bishop of Rome and there is no requirement in becoming a Bishop that is less stringent than becoming a priest.

Sorry I can’t help you know if what you are seeing is supernatural or not. It’s interesting that you’ve had predictive visions in the past, though.
 
dshix said:
Note that I did NOT say “you have to be”. I said “it is unlikely that”.
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I suppose numerically visions and other supernatural phenomena occur to a fairly small percentage of people. At least as far as I can tell anecdotally. Although I guess I count myself as somebody who believes these things happen more often than some might suppose. This conviction comes from a mixture of stories told to me by people I know and actually many that I have read on these forums.
It terms of how holiness affects your likeliness to receive communication from God, that I don’t know. It seems like many of the high-profile cases often involve people who are later canonized. But in terms of overall numbers, who knows? How could you know?
 
I will bring it up with my priest when we talk. 🙂

And i will just see how things go. 🙂
 
undead_rat said:
** . . .for great is the day of YHWH,
and very terrible–who can face it?
…
… .your old men shall dream dreams,
and your young men see visions. . .
. . .
before the day of YHWH dawns,
that great and terrible day.**
Joel 2:11, 28,31.

Thanks for sharing.

According to the much ballyhooed Prophecy of the Popes, there is to be only one more Pope after Francis, and that person is named in the Prophecy as “Peter of Rome, who will feed his sheep . . .”
So, unless you are the reincarnation of St. Peter, you will not be the next and last Pope (at least not according to this so-called Prophecy.)

I suggest taking your dreams and visions seriously.
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I thought that was Benedict XVI, something with the “glory of the olives”

And reincarnation is not a Catholic belief. 🤷
 
Odds on becoming Pope. In 2013 Bono was 1000/1
Richard Dawkins was 666/1

And Pope Francis was 25/1.

constructionlitmag.com/culture/papal-election-2013-breaking-down-odds-next-pope/

Now based on stats as to how long a Pope will live, the conclusion in this study ://www.statslife.org.uk/culture/2686-statistically-speaking-how-long-can-pope-francis-expect-to-live is

“We therefore conclude that the forecast made by Pope Francis in 2014 about his own survival seems rather pessimistic: based on the survival of past popes, he can expect to live at least 10 years with probability 50%, and 25 years with probability 5%.”

You have to become a Cardinal First. To get into the Conclave. This info might help.
ncronline.org/blogs/faith-and-justice/pope-francis-shakes-college-cardinals

And
cruxnow.com/church/2015/11/17/whos-going-to-replace-francis-maybe-one-of-these-guys/

Its a bit like saying you want to be a rockstar
 
Roseeurekacross said:
Odds on becoming Pope. In 2013 Bono was 1000/1
Richard Dawkins was 666/1

And Pope Francis was 25/1.

constructionlitmag.com/culture/papal-election-2013-breaking-down-odds-next-pope/

Now based on stats as to how long a Pope will live, the conclusion in this study ://www.statslife.org.uk/culture/2686-statistically-speaking-how-long-can-pope-francis-expect-to-live is

“We therefore conclude that the forecast made by Pope Francis in 2014 about his own survival seems rather pessimistic: based on the survival of past popes, he can expect to live at least 10 years with probability 50%, and 25 years with probability 5%.”
You have to become a Cardinal First. To get into the Conclave. This info might help.
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I never said i want to be, in fact i really do not.
You have to become a Cardinal First. To get into the Conclave. This info might help.
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You do not have to be in the Conclave to be elected.
Just look at Martin V/Odo Colonna who was not even a priest. 🙂

Just a fact. 😉
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LVCIVS_DEI said:
I thought that was Benedict XVI, something with the “glory of the olives”
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Here’s a copy of the last four mottoes of the prophecy as it was first published by Fr. Arnold Wion in 1595 (numbers and Popes added.)

**110. De labore solis. ------------- St. John Paul II
  1. Gloria olivae. ----------------- Benedict XVI
  2. In psecutione. extre-
    ma S.R.E. sedebit.------ ---------- Francis
  3. Petrus Romanus, qui
    pascet oves in mul-
    tis tribulationibus:
    quibus transactis ci-
    vitas septicollis di-
    ruetur, & Judex tre
    medus judicabit po
    pulum suum. Finis.-----------------Simon bar Jonah**
You are correct in saying that the motto for Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI is “Glory of the olive.” The present day confusion about the actual number of mottoes in the prophecy was created way back in 1624 by Fr. Thomas Messingham who combined mottoes 112 and 113 into just one paragraph. This spurious editing has been followed by every subsequent commentator right up to the present day.
 
undead_rat said:
Here’s a copy of the last four mottoes of the prophecy as it was first published by Fr. Arnold Wion in 1595 (numbers and Popes added.)

**110. De labore solis. ------------- St. John Paul II
  1. Gloria olivae. ----------------- Benedict XVI
  2. In psecutione. extre-
    ma S.R.E. sedebit.------ ---------- Francis
  3. Petrus Romanus, qui
    pascet oves in mul-
    tis tribulationibus:
    quibus transactis ci-
    vitas septicollis di-
    ruetur, & Judex tre
    medus judicabit po
    pulum suum. Finis.-----------------Simon bar Jonah**
You are correct in saying that the motto for Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI is “Glory of the olive.” The present day confusion about the actual number of mottoes in the prophecy was created way back in 1624 by Fr. Thomas Messingham who combined mottoes 112 and 113 into just one paragraph. This spurious editing has been followed by every subsequent commentator right up to the present day.
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Conspiracy is just conspiracy.

God is in the facts.
 
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