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Bass
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Yes very much so. Jesus words not mine…
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Annn
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Hm, the Church actually seems to take the attitude that it IS ok to be gay, just not ok to be sexually active with people of the same gender.
The Church also says to respect the dignity and humanity of gay people.
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Lujack
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Not a chance.
Have you ever heard anyone say “Man, I have a test first period on Friday…that’s so Catholic!”
Or maybe, “Mrs. So and So is really mean. She’s a real Christian!”
Or perhaps, you’ve heard one football player say to another, “Dude, don’t be a priest, just hit him!”
I severely doubt it. On the other hand, if you insert a slur against gays in the appropriate place in each of those sentences, you will have a sentence that is heard multiple times every day in every single high school in the country.
Besides, there is no political motivation in the more extreme form of this discrimination, beating up the gay kid. There’s no political thought at work. Even if there was, I’d be deeply disturbed if you had no problem with a bunch of guys beating up a homosexual because they opposed gay marriage.
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Catholic90
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and you excused me of name calling! look, it is really simple, God said if you are living in sin and die with sin you will burn in hell, why are you so blind to see that, its not that hard! I am not making up my own truth, I am only telling you what God is tell all of us regarding homosexuality.
I did not “excuse” you of anything. I did not “accuse” you of name calling, either. I simply think you are intolerant and mean.
So are you saying telling a practicing homosexual its okay to be homosexual? that’s love?! no sir, that is what hate is. I maybe harsh in my words but is because I need to wake you people up. love sir is when you tell some one the truth even if it means to be ridiculed and demonized. Kind of like what they did to the Christ and many martyrs.
Where, specifically, did I say ANYTHING about practicing homosexuals? I was simply addressing same sex attraction. (and I am not a “sir”, so stop your “assumptions” - you know what happens when you “assUme”.
what’s funny about you so called Catholics are so pro homosexual! You sure don’t sound like Catholics to me, and if you are you really need to examine your moral compass.
You sound very mean.
Jesus who got angry at blind leaders who were misguiding people, like you are doing by telling gays its alright to be gays. no sir, you are lying to these people and you are those people who Christ was angry at. Homosexuals do need help and sometimes a slap on the face is necessary. enough with your false compassion, and stop misleading these people. You are a hypocrite.
It is OK to feel same sex attraction. It is not OK to act on it. Even the Cathechism teaches that! It is YOU, “sir”, you are lying to them and to yourself.
So you have 10 kids…is this how you treat them as well?
Nice compassionate guy that you are…
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RobbyS
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We don’t know what is the cause of the “inclination.” I think that everyone might feel a sexual attraction toward a member of the same sex, if only as a form of admiration. That might, however. be just a way of indentifying with someone who is especially gifted. In a way it is not much beyond looking at a woman in admiration and looking at at her in another way. An old psychology professor of mine once said that every boy and every girl under a certain age was a latent homosexual,but that at a certain point of his/her life began to think about relationships with persons of another sex. Those who. for some reason, do not, are “cursed,” are they not? They suffer under a burden we should not light of, but applaud them when they yield.
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Highwayhound
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To be more precise the Church teaches it is a sin to have sexual relations outside the bounds of marriage. It matters not if the instance is of a heterosexual or homosexual nature. We are all called to chastity if we are not married. A single guy or single gal should live a chaste life.
I agree, but would leave the statement at, “The Church says to respect the dignity and humanity of people.” There is no need to place any adjective in front of the word ‘people’. If a person is, then they should be loved.
God bless
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Bass
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well excuuuuuse my typos. NO its NOT okay to feel same sex attraction, the church is very clear about that.
and YES, if any of my children is as brainwashed as you are I will use tough love to snap it out of them.
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aspawloski4th
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You don’t know human nature very well. Humans were not designed to be mind nummed robots like you seem to think. And just what doe’s that tough love consist of?
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Catholic90
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Read the catechism. Understand the catechism. Understand what Jesus taught. You do not accept them. Jesus accepts the fact that people have tendencies, teaches them not to ACT on these tendecies, and He loves them. Jesus wants EVERYONE to be in his kingdom. You wish to exclude some.
From the Catechism:
**2358 **The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition. **2359 **Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
I feel sorry for your children, because they feel they cannot talk to you about their real feelings, emotions, or problems, no matter what they are. It is your way or the “tough love” (however you decide to show this). Any authoritarian parent never knows the whole story of their children and what they may be going through (but their friends and friends’ parents do! Ask me how I know that!)
If a daughter made a mistake and got pregnant before she got married, would she be OK telling you? Or have you instilled such fear in her that she may run and hide, or worse?
Also know that many authoritarian parents do not have a close relationship with their children after their children leave home. I will be surprised if all 10 of your children remain Catholic once they leave your thumb if you are as authoritarian in real life as you come across here.
Try compassion. Jesus worked wonders with it.
From the Catechism:
**2358 **The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition. **2359 **Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
I feel sorry for your children, because they feel they cannot talk to you about their real feelings, emotions, or problems, no matter what they are. It is your way or the “tough love” (however you decide to show this). Any authoritarian parent never knows the whole story of their children and what they may be going through (but their friends and friends’ parents do! Ask me how I know that!)
If a daughter made a mistake and got pregnant before she got married, would she be OK telling you? Or have you instilled such fear in her that she may run and hide, or worse?
Also know that many authoritarian parents do not have a close relationship with their children after their children leave home. I will be surprised if all 10 of your children remain Catholic once they leave your thumb if you are as authoritarian in real life as you come across here.
Try compassion. Jesus worked wonders with it.
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Catholic90
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I am afraid of what his “tough love” consists of!
I can see it now…10 little robots all in a row, saying what they know daddy wants to hear, and then telling their real feelings, thoughts, worries, fears, hopes, and dreams to friends and friends’ parents.
I know how that works, because I am one of those people who is a venting soundboard for those with authoritian parents.
I know more about some kids’ feelings and dreams and worries than their own parents ever will.
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Matrix_Refugee
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God help any of his kids who turn out to be SSA. The British analogue for Courage used to try and “reprogram” its members, until its founder discovered this kind of treatment does a lot more harm than good, and I think there’s some Evangelical groups who still do that. No doubt this personage would be tracking them down to do just that to his poor kid. Maybe worse.I am afraid of what his “tough love” consists of!
I can see it now…10 little robots all in a row, saying what they know daddy wants to hear, and then telling their real feelings, thoughts, worries, fears, hopes, and dreams to friends and friends’ parents.
I know how that works, because I am one of those people who is a venting soundboard for those with authoritian parents.
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Matrix_Refugee
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THIS is why I have one foot outside the door of the Church. I. Only want. People. To show me. And every other SSA person. Some compassion. I’m sick of feeling like Christ on the way to Calvary getting kicked in the ribs every time He stumbled under that cross. And if leaving the Church is the way to avoid that, so be it. Then people like Bass can have a nice, squeaky-clean Church that looks like a 1950s sitcom, and I can find a more compassionate faith community, and then everyone is happy. Trust me, I don’t want to leave, but I can’t take it any more.
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Catholic90
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Any kid of his who makes a mistake, a bad choice, or feels different will be ‘tough loved’ out of it!
No compassion…just "tough loved’ to “snap them out of it”!!
God help any of his kids who struggle with ANYTHING! Like I said earlier, it’s not dad they will be confiding in. Authoritarian parents who “lay down the law” generally do not have close relationships with their children…fearful and respectful, maybe, but not compassionate or really close.
I just hope he accepts the Catholic church’s teaching of showing **respect, compassion, and sensitivity **to all people, not just the ones HE judges to be worthy! (it’s right there in black and white in the cathechism)
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Catholic90
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Don’t leave.
People like Bass are being put in your path by Satan because Satan would LOVE to see you leave the Church. Then he can claim a victory. Don’t let him do that.
The best thing to do with people like that is let them slide off your back. Know they are wrong, feel sorry for their children (and possibly his wife for having to put up with him!
), and find a group of people who support you in your struggles to live chastely.Bass forgets that NO ONE (not even himself!) is perfect and that the Church is a hospital for sinners:stretcher:, not a museum for saints.:getholy: If it was a museum, no one could be in it.
So say a prayer for Bass and his family and don’t let him get to you!:hug1:
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erinelf88
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Matrix Refugee,
Let it be know that I love you, and I will show you love, as a Catholic following my confirmation this Saturday(I’m 20). I, too, am bisexual. I’ve struggled for a very long time with this… and have chosen NOT to act on my attraction to other females. I’m very happy with my boyfriend now, and I do think I’ve made the right choice.
There will be hatred anywhere you go. Anywhere. Someone will always disagree, someone will always find a way of telling you that their particular brand of hate is “correct.” But hating a PERSON is never correct, never right. Don’t lose hope- we’re out there, and we know what you’re going through. Even if that means turning to those who have SSA to understand your pain and your hurt, it’s still support. I will support you in following the church’s teachings on sin and love, as you’ve expressed that you have, and I want you to know I’m proud of you for doing so. Please, please don’t lose hope.
I will be participating in the day of silence. Even if I don’t support the actions of active homosexuals, I ALSO don’t support the actions of those who would physically abuse, to the point of MURDER, those who hate homosexuals. ANYONE who would beat someone, torment someone, because they were a sinner is WRONG. Let us keep in mind the words of Christ: Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. I, for one, oppose the casting of stones that’s done towards LGBT children in high school and colleges around the world!
Love in Christ,
Erin
Let it be know that I love you, and I will show you love, as a Catholic following my confirmation this Saturday(I’m 20). I, too, am bisexual. I’ve struggled for a very long time with this… and have chosen NOT to act on my attraction to other females. I’m very happy with my boyfriend now, and I do think I’ve made the right choice.
There will be hatred anywhere you go. Anywhere. Someone will always disagree, someone will always find a way of telling you that their particular brand of hate is “correct.” But hating a PERSON is never correct, never right. Don’t lose hope- we’re out there, and we know what you’re going through. Even if that means turning to those who have SSA to understand your pain and your hurt, it’s still support. I will support you in following the church’s teachings on sin and love, as you’ve expressed that you have, and I want you to know I’m proud of you for doing so. Please, please don’t lose hope.
I will be participating in the day of silence. Even if I don’t support the actions of active homosexuals, I ALSO don’t support the actions of those who would physically abuse, to the point of MURDER, those who hate homosexuals. ANYONE who would beat someone, torment someone, because they were a sinner is WRONG. Let us keep in mind the words of Christ: Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. I, for one, oppose the casting of stones that’s done towards LGBT children in high school and colleges around the world!
Love in Christ,
Erin
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Bass
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my youngest can put you all to shame with his intelligence, at least he knows he is a boy just the way God created him. while you make fun of some one who is trying to put some sense into your pathetic stupid heads, your sin remains. anyway, i didn’t think anyone could help you because you are so deep into your perverted sins, this is why i took the extreme rout, is to call you as who you are, filthy disgusting sinners, and because you have no hope of changing you want others to fall in hell with you. you can suffer the consequence of your actions and i will mine. you are pathetic losers, and i pity you…
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Matrix_Refugee
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Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.
You know who’s the pathetic loser, pal? YOU. With your stony heart and your blind eyes which cannot see the suffering your uncharitable talk does to troubled people YOU DONT EVEN KNOW. You’re cut from the very same cloth as the Pharisees who were shocked at the kind of people Christ associated with: tax collectors and fishermen and prostitutes. You remind me exactly of the Pharisee who was down on Mary Magadalen for washing Christ’s feet, drying them with her long hair and kissing them. No doubt, if Christ came back for a visit, He’d be associating with the very people you spit upon.
Remember the parable of the Prodigal Son and how it ended? Remember the older brother getting his britches in a knot because of the huge welcome home party the father threw for the wayward one? You are acting Just Like That Older Brother. Stop it now. Please.
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Jeremiah333
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I agree about the homefront. We homeschooled our children. We do not do school on Good Friday. We watch “The Jesus Film” to remember what Jesus did for us.
Exactly.
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aussie_jaz
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yep they were engaged in certain behaviours.certain behaviours out of worship for their false gods.if gays are worshipping the one true god then they are not acting in the way it was said was an abomination.
i am not gay and im not for or against gay marriage.i just am not convinced of any claim that homosexuality is wrong unless it is part of a ritual toward another god.
what i am very much convinced about is the real christian attitude of love , not hatred , for your fellow human beings.love incorporates respect and it is out of that respect that a day like this should be used to show an intolerance toward the unchristian and uncivilised actions that these people are suffering from.
you have said a few times about you not letting your children be brainwashed.well you had better stop teaching them because you are the one brainwashing them into very unchristianlike attitudes towards other human beings and in turn putting stumbling blocks in front of other believers.
i am not gay and im not for or against gay marriage.i just am not convinced of any claim that homosexuality is wrong unless it is part of a ritual toward another god.
what i am very much convinced about is the real christian attitude of love , not hatred , for your fellow human beings.love incorporates respect and it is out of that respect that a day like this should be used to show an intolerance toward the unchristian and uncivilised actions that these people are suffering from.
you have said a few times about you not letting your children be brainwashed.well you had better stop teaching them because you are the one brainwashing them into very unchristianlike attitudes towards other human beings and in turn putting stumbling blocks in front of other believers.
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Kevin42
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It’s not that extreme of a statement, really. Everyone is a filthy, disgusting sinner, including me and including you. I mean, Jesus did come “to heal the sick” and to cleanse lepers, did he not? Mark 2:17, Mark1:40-42
Unfortunately, the second part of your statement is sinful because it is exactly the kind of judgment that Jesus warned us against. (Matt 7:1-5)
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