Days after Medjugorje comment, Pope downplays predictable visions [CNA]

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http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/i...edit_Daniel_Ibez_CNA_7_CNA_5_28_14.jpgVatican City, Jun 9, 2015 / 07:59 am (CNA/EWTN News).- Days after declaring that a decision on the Medjugorje apparitions would be coming soon, Pope Francis cautioned against basing one’s faith solely on predicted visions or anything other than Christ himself.

In his June 9 daily Mass at the Vatican’s Saint Martha Guesthouse, Pope Francis cautioned against those who look for God “with these Christian spiritualties that are a little ethereal,” calling them “modern Gnostics.”

These people, he said, “tell you this or that: no, the last word of God is Jesus Christ, there is no other!”

He also warned against those “who always need novelty of Christian identity. They’ve forgotten that they were chosen, anointed, that they have the guarantee of the Spirit, and they seek.”

Francis observed that there are those who might ask, “But where are the seers who tell us today, ‘the letter that the Madonna will send us at four in the afternoon…’”

He cited this type of predicted vision as an example of those who base their faith on novelties, explaining that these people “live from this.”

However “this isn’t Christian identity. The ultimate word of God is named ‘Jesus,’ nothing more,” he said.

The alleged Marian apparitions of Medjugorje, Bosnia-Herzegovina are the only apparitions said to still happen almost daily since their first occurrence in 1981.

Out of the original six children, known as “seers,” who began to experience phenomena which they have claimed to be apparitions of the Blessed Virgin Mary in 1981, three claim that they continue to receive visions every afternoon because not all of the secrets intended for them have been revealed.

Pope Francis’ reference to predictable visions comes just days after he disclosed to journalists that a decision on the authenticity of the alleged Medjugorje apparitions could be coming soon.

“We’re at this point of making decisions … and then they will be announced,” the Pope told journalists during a brief in-flight news conference June 6 while on his way back from the Bosnian capital of Sarajevo. He also revealed that “some guidelines will be given to bishops on the lines they will take.”

In his daily homily Nov. 14, 2013, Francis cautioned against a misguided “spirit of curiosity” that can also take our vision off Christ, focusing instead on such predictable visions.

One might be tempted to say “But I know a visionary, who receives letters from Our Lady, messages from Our Lady,” he said on that occasion. Our Lady, he stressed, “is the Mother of everyone! And she loves all of us. She is not a postmaster, sending messages every day.”

In his June 9 remarks, the Pope also cautioned against broadening one’s conscience “so much that everything enters.”

Worldliness is something human, he said, noting that when it seeps into one’s morals and leads one to accept some of Christ’s teachings while rejecting others, this is how “salt loses its flavor.”

“We see Christian communities, including Christians, who say they are Christians, but they cannot and are not giving witness to Jesus Christ. So (like this) identity goes backwards, backwards and you lose yourself, and this is the worldly nominalism that we see every day,” the Pope observed.

Christian identity is “a beautiful identity which can be seen through witness,” which is the reason Jesus so frequently speaks about it, Francis continued.

He cautioned against “watering down” one’s witness by reducing Christianity to a mere idea. Instead, Christian identity, which comes from Christ, “is concrete,” he said, explaining that this can be seen in the Beatitudes.

From what Jesus outlines in the Beatitudes “we pass from this religion that’s a bit soft, in the air and on the road of the Gnostics,” the Pope noted. But behind true Christian identity “there is scandal. This Christian identity is scandalous,” he said, referring to Jesus’ death on the Cross.

In the history of salvation God, “with his patience of Father, has brought us from ambiguity to certainty, to the concreteness of the incarnation and the redemptive death of his Son. This is our identity.”

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I can’t really imagine that Medjugorje will be approved because of the content of its message seems contradictory to Catholic faith. In addition, the fact that the alleged apparitions have been occurring constantly for over twenty years seems highly suspect to me.
 
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I can’t really imagine that Medjugorje will be approved because of the content of its message seems contradictory to Catholic faith. In addition, the fact that the alleged apparitions have been occurring constantly for over twenty years seems highly suspect to me.
I done next to nothing about Medjugorie, aside from what I read in today’s articles. What about it is contradictory?
 
I done next to nothing about Medjugorie, aside from what I read in today’s articles. What about it is contradictory?
👍 I too would be interested, in what has been said that’s contradictory?
If one is to take as legit the claims of this site, apparently there’s some bizarre things going on that simply do not happen at other apparitions that are viewed by the Holy See as being worthy of belief. For example,
“Our Lady”, questioned by the “visionaries”, is stated to have said on two occasions (19.12.81 and 20.1.82) that the bishop was “in the wrong” and that the Franciscans “should stay put”! “Our Lady” is thus shown as inciting disobedience to a lawful order of a bishop.
You will notice that in all other apparitions that have been viewed favorably by the Holy See, it’s always insisted that superiors, bishops in particular, be listened to.

Another example is dubious doctrines,
Properly doctrinal statements are rare among the interminable reported words of the “Lady”, but a single example of a doctrinal falsity ought to be enough to discredit any apparition. Here are two examples, both dating from 1983. In January, Mirjana told Fr. Vlasic how “Mary” was distressed by the lack of unity between Catholics, Orthodox and Muslims, since there was only one God: “You are not a believer if you do not respect the other religions, Muslim and Serbian (i.e. Orthodox). You are not Christians if you do not respect them.” [This is false doctrine: we owe proper respect to non-believers, but none at all to their false religion; this would be a betrayal of Christ and His Church.] Even Fr. Vlasic was taken aback by this, but to his further questions-----Mirjana could only reply by repeating herself: “. . . lack of unity among the religions. You must respect each person’s religion,” adding “Keep your own for yourselves and your children.” This Masonic syncretism in a supernatural message is quite inadmissible; it rules out the missionary charity whereby we try to win our neighbors over to Our Lord.
Now, I don’t know if this is what Our Lady purportedly said, I don’t know how legitimate this site is, but if it’s true, those right there are good reasons to doubt this apparition.
 
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