Deacon and black zucchetto?

[Edwood]

I’m guessing the source that is actually being referred to is the Motu Proprio Pontificalia Insignia, issued 21 June 1968. I cannot find an English translation, but the official Latin text is available here.

Pope Paul VI doesn’t explicitly mention the zucchetto (Latin: pileolus) in the Motu Proprio, but at that time it was forbidden by Canon Law for anyone other than a Cardinal, bishop, or abbot to use the zucchetto during Mass without Apostolic indult (CIC/17 Can. 811 § 2: “Abstineat autem a pileolo et annulo, nisi sit S. R. E. Cardinalis, Episcopus vel Abbas benedictus, aut nisi apostolicum indultum eorundem usum in Missa celebranda eidem permittat.”).

Very, very interesting although the 1917 CofC is no longer in force.

 

[Lapey]

I’m not sure why your bishop would treat you in this way? Seems like it would be far nicer to ask “is there a reason you are wearing the zucchetto?” (if he actually cared at all) and to quietly tell you to stow it if he was not satisfied with your answer (again, if he actually cared at all.)

This is where you strayed because I guess you decided to correct my bishop, and/or me. Not too sure, but either way you are criticizing a cleric who is not deserving such criticism.

Please do not read into my words anything more than what is there. I would not wear it because no one else would and I would stick out like a sore thumb, and my description of the hypothetical was complete hyperbole.

My attempt here is to let you know nicely that I didn’t appreciate it.

I was asking a serious question. Not sure about the reason for hyperbole?

I gave an answer to your serious question using hyperbole, not disrespectful in the least. The use of the zucchetto is not common in any culture or area in the parts of the country which I have been able to serve. My bishop would in fact ask me to take it off before Mass, why? Because it is not something that is seen. Everyone else here understood what I meant, but you are making an issue as to criticize my bishop using my use of hyperbole, and I truly do not appreciate it.

You are also inferring there is something wrong with a deacon wearing a black biretta during the celebration of the Mass and that doesn’t appear to be the case, particularly if his bishop does not mind. FWIW, this deacon did not stick out like a sore thumb because he was wearing a black zucchetto.I have inferred no such thing. Again I ask to take my words for what they are, not what you want them to mean.

This does illustrate something fairly interesting though. A cleric (in this case Fr. James-Charles Noonan) offered a personal opinion on this matter. That opinion was publicized via his book and EWTN and thus becomes “law” to many.

Not sure how the last paragraph has anything to do with anything but again to cast a generalization against a cleric who said something not liked.

I did not say that it should not be done or it was against any rubric or liturgical law but in the light of this informal and normally light hearted forum my comments are what they are. If you care to make them something which was not intended it is you with the hidden agenda not I. There were 40 deacons present at the Chrism Mass, about 75 priests, and my bishop who all wore no zucchetto except for the bishop and it is never seen in my area worn by any one but Bishop, why would you think this would be good for all of a sudden one deacon would to decide to wear something out of the “norm” for our culture? It would most definitely stick out like a sore thumb, and in fact it is the reason this thread was created, isn’t it???

Any thing that causes undue attention to fall upon one cleric IN THE MASS is probably something he should not have done, even though it is allowed. If it were a change for the group and all or at least some would partake, then yes. If you would be involved in Liturgy planning and execution you would know this, it is not an individual’s perspective or desire which is carried out in the Liturgy, it is that of God and community.

Now if you care to continue the tone of challenge towards me I’ll take that challenge, but we should bring it to private messages instead of this public forum. However, my comments were simply meant as part of a conversation; you jumped to conclusions and have made generalizations about me because of my comments and I am not too sure why.

Furthermore, if you want clerics to wear zucchettos, please make an appointment with your bishop and make the suggestion. Challenging me for following the norms of my diocese and bishop will not help your cause.