Deacon gives homily walking around

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I have never thought about this as an abuse. Our parish priests normally start their homily from behind the lectern, but it is not unusual for them to walk out into the sanctuary as they touch on a point and maybe want to make a real connection with the parishoners. I think it is usually pretty effective to do that.

One of our priests, who passed away recently, was a professor of homiletics at a nearby seminary, and he used to do this pretty regularly.
 
We have several Priests in my Parish and all but the Parish Priest remain at the lectern. The Parish Priest gives the best homilies and as he says them he walks around up front re-enacting what he is saying and not one person ever takes their attention off him; and I believe that if he were to remain at the lectern, his homilies would not be as interesting (IMO).
 
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GregoryPalamas:
There’s enough scandal in the world and in the Church without turning positives into negatives, isn’t there?

Dan L
Dan, my Eastern brother,

Gotta agree with buffalo here… the GIRM is very clear on the appropriate posture for the delivery of the homily, and this document is, after all, the “rule book” with regard to the celebration of the Mass. As members of the Church, both lay individuals and clergy, we’re obligated to follow the rules, no matter how trivial we may believe them to be or how much better suited we believe our own interpretations to be with regard to the specifics of our own congregation. At the risk of sounding as though I’m stretching a point, it’s these arbitrary parish-by-parish “tweaks” of the rules, albeit many well-intended, that slowly but surely destroy liturgical consistency.

Dan, I’m aware that you were a Methodist preacher prior to your conversion to Catholicism. It’s understandable that you would still carry some amount of that “baggage” with you. To assume, however, that we can apply the much freer Protestant philosophies regarding the structure of community worship to our Catholic liturgical practice is a fatal flaw. Ours (yours, now) is a Church of Tradition. The Liturgy (or Mass) is the culmination of the expression of our Catholic faith and we, the lay individuals and the clergy, have no right to tamper with it. Period.

You stated in one of your posts in this thread that, “Worship is done in all sorts of ways.” While this statement is generally true, I believe we need to add a qualifier that states that communal worship, within the framework of a given sui iuris Catholic Church, is done ONE WAY and one way ONLY - that is, within the prescribed guidelines established for that particular ritualistic celebration, be it the Latin Mass, the Byzantine Divine Liturgy or any of our other expressions of communal Catholic worship. Once we start trivializing self-enacted liturgical changes by rationalizing that they’re not as important as the bigger problems facing our Church today, we place ourselves on the road to anarchy.
Deal with what he says and don’t worry about how he says it and everyone will be happier.
Let’s be clear on this… there are plenty of opportunities to make everyone in a given congregation happier that don’t involve altering our sacred rituals. Liturgical worship is not about how happy we can make people feel. It’s about coming together as a community of believers to give praise and glory to our Creator in the manner prescribed by our Church, knowing that countless others across our globe are simultaneously doing the same thing, and have been for centuries. THAT, my friend, should be sufficient to earn any congregation a “happy” enough return on their one-hour-per-week or so investment (slightly longer in our Byzantine tradition 😉 ). If it’s not, perhaps some inward-directed reflection as to why they choose to be Catholic in the first place would be in order.
I don’t really mean to be critical of the critical but isn’t this rather picky?
No, Dan, it’s not picky. Quite the opposite, in fact. It speaks to the very essence of who we are as a faith community. The format of our liturgical worship, as entrusted to us by those who came before us, is not up for grabs… not even the most seemingly inconsequential part of it. It is prescribed and codefied, not for our own comfort and convenience, but as a means by which we may, with God’s grace, climb above our feeble selves and achieve Theosis, a oneness with our Creator. How blessed we are to have this gift of liturgy He has given us! Shame on us if we choose to alter that gift to suit our own whims and fancies.
 
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buffalo:
Girm 97. The homily is given at the chair or at the lectern.
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Am I missing something? Please explain.
In our church, the chair and the lectern are on opposite sides of the sanctuary… maybe the homilist can’t make up his mind and is* intentionally* alternating between the chair and the lectern 🙂
 
Our chair is behind the altar which is behind the icon screen. Perhaps Father should preach from he chair.

I believe our we are to follow our Eastern standards with which I’m unfamiliar. I will do my homework.

CDL
 
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GregoryPalamas:
Our chair is behind the altar which is behind the icon screen. Perhaps Father should preach from he chair.

I believe our we are to follow our Eastern standards with which I’m unfamiliar. I will do my homework.

CDL
Dan,.

The citation that was given pertains only to the Latin Church. Byzantines generally preach from the ambo, the holy doors or the solea.

Deacon Ed
 
Deacon Ed,

Thank you. It saves much time. Father will find much comfort in that news.

Dan L
 
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buffalo:
Our parish still has abuses and not much seems to change. Our Deacon whom I thought would stay on track decided to walk back and forth across the sanctuary while delivering his homily.
Did he genuflect or bow each time he walked in front of the tabernacle :rolleyes:
 
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buffalo:
From a practical standpoint due to the acoustics and sound system when he turns and faces the other way, I usually can’t here what he has to say. So I get 1/2 the homily.
We solved this in my parish with the Countryman E6 headset mic. Our priests love it, and the people hear everything.

So, I’ve read most of this thread now, and I still haven’t seen any documentation that prohibits the priest or deacon from moving around. I saw one mention of GIRM 97, but when I looked it up, I found something different in GIRM 97.
  1. The faithful, moreover, should not refuse to serve the People of God gladly whenever
they are asked to perform some particular ministry or function in the celebration.
What am I missing here?
 
Michael,

Here’s par. 272 The concluding rite is carried out as at Mass with a congregation. The dismissal is omitted. The priest venerates the altar with a kiss in the usual way, makes a profound bow with the minister and then leaves.

This hasn’t anything to do with preaching either. I think some people have alot of ‘splainin’ to do.

And like Father Deacon Ed said all of this has to do with the Roman missal and has nothing to do with the Eastern standards. Nor does it seem to have much to do with my former Methodist connections.

Dan L
 
Well, I’ve searched the GIRM for any mention of where the homily is to be delivered, and finally came up with number 136:
  1. The priest, standing at the chair or at the ambo itself or, when appropriate, in another suitable place, gives the homily. When the homily is completed, a period of silence may be observed.
Obviously, this leaves room for the homilist to be somewhere other than the ambo. So I would have to agree with those who state that this complaint is just being too nitpicky. What matters is the message, not where it’s delivered from.
 
Michael,

I’m relieved to read that. I know Eastern priests aren’t under these rubrics so no matter what they said he would not be obliged to follow them. However, now I also know that I really have converted.

Dan L
 
To GregoryPalamas:

Dan,

Upon re-reading this thread this morning I fear that I was unnecessarily harsh in my response to your comments. I allowed my feelings and emotions regarding other discussion topics on other boards to sneak in and color my comments with regard to this topic. For this I apologize.

You are correct, Dan. This thread was initiated with regard to a situation specific to the Latin Church and, for purposes of this discussion, did not involve the Eastern Churches… I should not have strayed in that direction. Nor should I have used your own ecclesiastical background as a point of contention in my own argument. I was out of line.

While I still maintain that disregard for prescribed liturgical norms, regardless of sui iuris Church, should never be looked at lightly or as a case of being merely “picky,” I could have, and should have, been more charitable in the way I expressed my views.

Please accept my apology, Dan.
 
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GregoryPalamas:
I think some people have alot of ‘splainin’ to do.

Dan L
In regards to paragraphs 97 and 272 quoted by buffalo and Della respectively, I found these in an older GIRM.

Now, I agree that the Priest/Deacon HAS the option “when appropriate”. But I hope they will use the chair or ambo.

Michael Welter,

Thank you for pointing out the newer GIRM translations.

Bless you,

Joe
 
Brother Al,

I certainly accept your apology and do understand your uneasiness with my facile comments regarding my use of the word “picky”. I’ve been irritated by other posts and carried that irritation over into other threads. Moreover, Father Loya is always under attack by someone or other because he has chosen to follow his calling. So, I’m a bit defensive when it comes to what may seem, even unintentionally, to be an attack upon him.

BTW I passed along your leads and our friends have found them most helpful.

CDL
 
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