Deacon Invocations of Penitenial Rite

[Deacon2006]

My pastor never uses the third form penitental rite, as such I never get a chance to lead the innvocations. I mentioned this to him once and he said that third form is not permitted for Sunday. I think it was a little bit of a knee jerk response since at the seminary the third form was always used and the deacon would lead the innvocation.

This scenario strikes me like the time we were discussing how we should process in. He wanted me to walk infront of him, and concelebrants if any. I told him my place is at his side and concelebrants are infront of both of us if any. The only time I would not walk by his side is when the Book of The Gospels are used. Just in time for the first mass where I would assist he found a copy of the Book of the Gospels

Does anyone have a definite answer to this liturgical question?

God Bless

 

[Mattapoisett64]

In our corner of New England, whenever our deacon is on the altar for Saturday vigil Mass or Sundays, the 3rd form is always used, and he rotates through the available 3rd form options in the Sacramentary, attempting to use the set of invocations most appropriate for that day’s Scriptures. He also walks next to the celebrant (we still don’t use Gospel book in procession, but that’s another story).

Having said all that, I don’t have a specific GIRM reference for you, however.

 

[Servulus]

Section 171 (a) of the GIRM says the deacon processes at the priest’s side.Hope that helps.

 

[cameron_lansing]

Dear Brother Deacon,

Perhaps you might want to review the GIRM yourself, speak with the director of formation in your diocese, or contact your diocesan liturgical office.

Devoting additional personal study to the liturgical activities of the deacon and developing a thorough knowledge of the liturgy and the authoritative sources can only beneficial to you and the Church.

These really are topics that are expected to be covered in formation, so if they were not, such expertise will be of particular value to other deacons in your diocese and those responsible for formation.

 

[John_Lilburne]

From the 2002 General Introduction to the Roman Missal (GIRM) which can be accessed from romanrite.com/girm.html :

“172. Carrying the Book of the Gospels slightly elevated, the deacon precedes the priest as he approaches the altar or else walks at the priest’s side.”

Unless there is a blessing a sprinkling of water, there should always be a Kyrie. This will be either a “Lord, have mercy …” or a “Kyrie, eleison …”. From the GIRM:
“52. After the Act of Penitence, the Kyrie is always begun, unless it has already been included as part of the Act of Penitence. Since it is a chant by which the faithful acclaim the Lord and implore his mercy, it is ordinarily done by all, that is, by the people and with the choir or cantor having a part in it. As a rule, each acclamation is sung or said twice, though it may be repeated several times, by reason of the character of the various languages, as well as of the artistry of the music or of other circumstances. When the Kyrie is sung as a part of the Act of Penitence, a trope may precede each acclamation.”

There is nothing that prevents the third form on Sunday.

While the deacon can lead the third form, so can a priest or other minister. The Latin rubrics are: “Postea sacerdos, vel diaconus vel alius minister, vel alius, invocationes cum Kyrie, eleison profert:” (From Missale Romanum, Libreria Editrice Vaticana, 2002, ISBN: 8820972719, page 508; Order of Mass, n. 6).
The order (priest, deacon or other minister) suggests no particular preference for the deacon. Nor is it listed as a particular duty of the deacon in GIRM n. 171. This does include, for example, “Guides the faithful by appropriate introductions and explanations, and announces the intentions of the Prayer of the Faithful;”.

 

[BillyT92679]

From the 2002 General Introduction to the Roman Missal (GIRM) which can be accessed from romanrite.com/girm.html :

“172. Carrying the Book of the Gospels slightly elevated, the deacon precedes the priest as he approaches the altar or else walks at the priest’s side.”

Unless there is a blessing a sprinkling of water, there should always be a Kyrie. This will be either a “Lord, have mercy …” or a “Kyrie, eleison …”. From the GIRM:
“52. After the Act of Penitence, the Kyrie is always begun, unless it has already been included as part of the Act of Penitence. Since it is a chant by which the faithful acclaim the Lord and implore his mercy, it is ordinarily done by all, that is, by the people and with the choir or cantor having a part in it. As a rule, each acclamation is sung or said twice, though it may be repeated several times, by reason of the character of the various languages, as well as of the artistry of the music or of other circumstances. When the Kyrie is sung as a part of the Act of Penitence, a trope may precede each acclamation.”

There is nothing that prevents the third form on Sunday.

While the deacon can lead the third form, so can a priest or other minister. The Latin rubrics are: “Postea sacerdos, vel diaconus vel alius minister, vel alius, invocationes cum Kyrie, eleison profert:” (From Missale Romanum, Libreria Editrice Vaticana, 2002, ISBN: 8820972719, page 508; Order of Mass, n. 6).
The order (priest, deacon or other minister) suggests no particular preference for the deacon. Nor is it listed as a particular duty of the deacon in GIRM n. 171. This does include, for example, “Guides the faithful by appropriate introductions and explanations, and announces the intentions of the Prayer of the Faithful;”.

These are very good points.
I understand the original poster’s concern, but I say take up your cross. Holy Orders aren’t about getting an opportunity to do something… it’s all about serving, and that means the first being last and the last being first.

 

[plato3]

My pastor never uses the third form penitental rite, as such I never get a chance to lead the innvocations. I mentioned this to him once and he said that third form is not permitted for Sunday. I think it was a little bit of a knee jerk response since at the seminary the third form was always used and the deacon would lead the innvocation.

This scenario strikes me like the time we were discussing how we should process in. He wanted me to walk infront of him, and concelebrants if any. I told him my place is at his side and concelebrants are infront of both of us if any. The only time I would not walk by his side is when the Book of The Gospels are used. Just in time for the first mass where I would assist he found a copy of the Book of the Gospels

Does anyone have a definite answer to this liturgical question?

God Bless

Has your pastor ever had a permanent deacon before? In my diocese, I was in the first formation class. There was some uneasiness among some pastors. Now that several years have gone by, the pastors are use to us. Sometimes there is so much to do that there are problems for deacons trying to manage family,jobs, and ministry.

 

[G_S]

My own experience is that we only use Rite C. I’d love to hear the Confiteor. I bet it’s been fifteen years or more since we’ve said it on even an occasional basis.