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buffalo
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Any thoughts.
His homily seemed to underestimate Jesus’ Divinity and he recommended this book.
His homily seemed to underestimate Jesus’ Divinity and he recommended this book.
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Corki
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I have not read the book and have no desire to do so. I heard Rolheiser speak at a conference and our bishop had to publically correct some of his errors.
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buffalo
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Yes - it was curious after his homily during the prayers of the faithful our pastor made sure to make a point that Jesus was Divine in his short prayer. It sure did seem he was making sure there was no confusion.I have not read the book and have no desire to do so. I heard Rolheiser speak at a conference and our bishop had to publically correct some of his errors.
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rwoehmke
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Our Bishop is quite orthodox and Rolheiser’s column continues to appear in our diocesan paper. That "renowned theologian from Notre Dame was dropped like a hot potato the minute our Bishop arrived on the scene. I have read his book and his columns and have yet to find any fault with him.
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dz102789
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I have read through bits and pieces of The Holy Longing, and it is pretty out there. It is not doctrinally sound, and full of emotionalism. But it seems to be a popular book, which scares me quite a bit. My dad is currently in formation for the Diaconate and his teacher had him read the book as part of his Christian spirituality course, which is why I came across it. We both quickly realized that the book was on the liberal side, specifically when it came to the undermining of the sacrament of reconciliation. Rolheiser is by no means stupid or wacked, but he is certainly liberal.
In Christ,
Dave
In Christ,
Dave
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bradwilcox
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I am disgusted with this book. I’m answering this thread so that the original poster will know that there are people out there who are not fans of Rolheiser. I am not going to list my objections to what I found in this book because I had a very visceral reaction to many of Rolheiser’s views and I promised myself I wouldn’t keep harping on this book. I just wish it would leave my memory. Its been six months and I can’t let myself go back. The book is liberal pablum and heresies at every bend.
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ipwnuathalo
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Rolheiser is an idiot.
(If I’m going to go down, I might as well go down in flames.)
Not too many years ago, here in the San Antonio diocese, the Oblates at Oblate School of Theology were forming our seminarians and turning out a dismal (and meager) succession of unformed (downright ignorant of Catholicism is more like it) and unworthy men for ordination. I was raised around these men, one confirmed me, one married us, and they are a disgrace. The one talent this diocese has is for squelching its sexual scandals quickly. Credit Mexican-American discretion, not mangerial competence.
Then the great Hispanic hope, Bp. Jose Gomez, arrived on the scene. Tutored under Chaput, he was expected to clean house. A great hue and cry arose from the ranks of the faithful, demanding Rolheiser’s head on a pike. Holy Longing was repeatedly quoted in his presence. Hell, *other Bishops *sent him copies marked up in red pen. I collected Rolheiser’s columns going back a few years. You ought to see those. I have to quote my favorite, where he whines about his gay friend on his deathbed “I can’t believe in a heaven that doesn’t have room for George” (or Ralph or whatever his name was). Buddy, I never thought you believed in it, either.
So we all held a mighty breath. And counted to one year. And then two. And then we realized that Gomez was a useless, dishonest climber. He missed the red hat that went to Houston. (That was a mistake, BTW, San Antonio is the Hispanic center, that’s who has a Catholic identity anymore. I love Benedict, but JPII would have put the Hat in San Antonio where is would do some good.) At the time I thought it was a slap at Gomez for non-performance, but obviously my thought processes are too linear to understand the hierarchy. I have recently started using a magic 8-ball and my deductions are starting to match reality.
Anyway…Gomez turned out to be a big nothing, and now he’s going to go be a big nothing in California. Whatever. Whole state is going to hell, it would take a Leo the Great to set that Church right. Gomez will snooze away his years. It’s so funny how mad the libs are that Well Known Feminist Bishop Barnes didn’t get LA. Like Gomez is going to put any kinks in their reglion. Hardly. I guess they won’t get public nude centering yoga or whatever Barnes had planned, but they can still pretty much do whatever they want. Rolheiser has already proved that.
And, as a result of all that, we missed our one chance to get rid of Rolheiser. So, he and his Oblates go right on being outrageously outrageous heretics right here in River City. Whoever they put here next, God help him, because he’s coming in behind a “conservative” who did nothing. Makes it even harder. What am I saying, let me consult the 8-ball…Oh! Barnes is coming to San Antonio. Of course. That makes Church-sense.
If you own the book, you can burn it. Saves me the trouble. Buy something by a Saint.
(If I’m going to go down, I might as well go down in flames.)
Not too many years ago, here in the San Antonio diocese, the Oblates at Oblate School of Theology were forming our seminarians and turning out a dismal (and meager) succession of unformed (downright ignorant of Catholicism is more like it) and unworthy men for ordination. I was raised around these men, one confirmed me, one married us, and they are a disgrace. The one talent this diocese has is for squelching its sexual scandals quickly. Credit Mexican-American discretion, not mangerial competence.
Then the great Hispanic hope, Bp. Jose Gomez, arrived on the scene. Tutored under Chaput, he was expected to clean house. A great hue and cry arose from the ranks of the faithful, demanding Rolheiser’s head on a pike. Holy Longing was repeatedly quoted in his presence. Hell, *other Bishops *sent him copies marked up in red pen. I collected Rolheiser’s columns going back a few years. You ought to see those. I have to quote my favorite, where he whines about his gay friend on his deathbed “I can’t believe in a heaven that doesn’t have room for George” (or Ralph or whatever his name was). Buddy, I never thought you believed in it, either.
So we all held a mighty breath. And counted to one year. And then two. And then we realized that Gomez was a useless, dishonest climber. He missed the red hat that went to Houston. (That was a mistake, BTW, San Antonio is the Hispanic center, that’s who has a Catholic identity anymore. I love Benedict, but JPII would have put the Hat in San Antonio where is would do some good.) At the time I thought it was a slap at Gomez for non-performance, but obviously my thought processes are too linear to understand the hierarchy. I have recently started using a magic 8-ball and my deductions are starting to match reality.
Anyway…Gomez turned out to be a big nothing, and now he’s going to go be a big nothing in California. Whatever. Whole state is going to hell, it would take a Leo the Great to set that Church right. Gomez will snooze away his years. It’s so funny how mad the libs are that Well Known Feminist Bishop Barnes didn’t get LA. Like Gomez is going to put any kinks in their reglion. Hardly. I guess they won’t get public nude centering yoga or whatever Barnes had planned, but they can still pretty much do whatever they want. Rolheiser has already proved that.
And, as a result of all that, we missed our one chance to get rid of Rolheiser. So, he and his Oblates go right on being outrageously outrageous heretics right here in River City. Whoever they put here next, God help him, because he’s coming in behind a “conservative” who did nothing. Makes it even harder. What am I saying, let me consult the 8-ball…Oh! Barnes is coming to San Antonio. Of course. That makes Church-sense.
If you own the book, you can burn it. Saves me the trouble. Buy something by a Saint.
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Earnest_Bunbury
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“Father-Mother God” is only one problem with this book. Minimizing the importance of sacramental confession is another. His ruminations on Rembrandt’s “Prodigal Son” painting interpreting the fathers hands (one smaller and more effeminate than the other) as an example of God being both Father and Mother. This certainly was not an idea prevalent in the 1600’s, but is a modern feminist conception. Of course St. Anselm’s quip that one cannot have God for a Father without having the Church as mother would adequately answer the question “why are the hands different”.
Today’s fascination with living the faith (spirituality) without actually knowing the faith (theology) is a recipe for disaster. The judgment of God is based on revelation and will condemn those who rejected it and failed to study it. John 12:48 “48 He that despiseth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him; the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.”
Today’s fascination with living the faith (spirituality) without actually knowing the faith (theology) is a recipe for disaster. The judgment of God is based on revelation and will condemn those who rejected it and failed to study it. John 12:48 “48 He that despiseth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him; the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.”
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