Deaconess in Romans 16:1?

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I see that the Greek uses the word “diakanon” which translates as servant. Is this correct?

*I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconess of the church at Cen’chre-ae (Romans 16:1 RSV)

**And I commend to you Phebe, our sister, who is in the ministry **of the church, that is in Cenchrae (Romans 16:1 Douay-Rheims)

**I commend to you Phoebe our sister, who is (also) a minister **of the church at Cenchreae (Romans 16:1 NAB) *

Is it safe to assume that the Catholic position is that Phoebe was a servant in the literal sense and not one who has had hands laid upon like Stephen or Phillip in Acts 6? I believe that the Diaconate got it’s name from the greek word for service and that just because Phoebe was a servant (diakanon), doeasn’t mean she was an ordained deacon like the seven in Acts 6.

Thoughts? Links to historical or authoritative Church documents? Reading only the first two sentances of a post and screaming “Heretic!” at the OP are fun too. 😉

-Tim-
 
I see that the Greek uses the word “diakanon” which translates as servant. Is this correct?

I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconess of the church at Cen’chre-ae (Romans 16:1 RSV)

**And I commend to you Phebe, our sister, who is in the ministry **of the church, that is in Cenchrae (Romans 16:1 Douay-Rheims)

**I commend to you Phoebe our sister, who is (also) a minister **of the church at Cenchreae (Romans 16:1 NAB)

Is it safe to assume that the Catholic position is that Phoebe was a servant in the literal sense and not one who has had hands laid upon like Stephen or Phillip in Acts 6? I believe that the Diaconate got it’s name from the greek word for service and that just because Phoebe was a servant (diakanon), doeasn’t mean she was an ordained deacon like the seven in Acts 6.
One possibility is that Phoebe might have been an assistant specific to women’s needs (non-ordained, of course ;)). Another is that she may have been the wife of a deacon (and possibly widowed since no husband is mentioned).
Thoughts? Links to historical or authoritative Church documents? Reading only the first two sentances of a post and screaming “Heretic!” at the OP are fun too. 😉
um - okay…

Heretic! 😃
 
I can only tell you that my grandmother was a deaconess in the Free Methodist Church, & acted as a deaconess in the Methodist Episcopal Church (when no ME deaconess was available).
Her duties were: Leading a Bible study for young women of middle school/high school age; visiting the sick; helping out young mothers who had just given birth who did not have family/friends to do so; & visiting new families in the area, to help them find a home church esp. those with young children.
All these would, I believe, be considered “ministering”. None of them involved usurping the office of the pastor in any way. (Indeed, she would have:eek: run in the opposite direction at the sugestion of such a thing!)
 
I see that the Greek uses the word “diakanon” which translates as servant. Is this correct?

I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconess of the church at Cen’chre-ae (Romans 16:1 RSV)

**And I commend to you Phebe, our sister, who is in the ministry **of the church, that is in Cenchrae (Romans 16:1 Douay-Rheims)

**I commend to you Phoebe our sister, who is (also) a minister **of the church at Cenchreae (Romans 16:1 NAB)

Is it safe to assume that the Catholic position is that Phoebe was a servant in the literal sense and not one who has had hands laid upon like Stephen or Phillip in Acts 6? I believe that the Diaconate got it’s name from the greek word for service and that just because Phoebe was a servant (diakanon), doeasn’t mean she was an ordained deacon like the seven in Acts 6.

Thoughts? Links to historical or authoritative Church documents? Reading only the first two sentances of a post and screaming “Heretic!” at the OP are fun too. 😉

-Tim-
This is a very common question on CAF–and the core false argument for the Womenpriests schismatic group.

The translation of “deaconess” was applicable to women in the early Church who aided in the baptisms of women, since in the the custom then, such baptisms were done with little to no clothing. None of these deaconesses were ordained, and Church history (primarily through writings of the Church Fathers) affirm this role.

See the Catholic Answers tract that goes into greater detail about this with excerpts from Church Fathers
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The cultures prevelant at this time would frown upon men and women having a lot of contact (remember how scandalous it was for the woman with the bleeding disorder to touch Jesus or a woman wash Jesus feet). Women would have been needed to tend to new mothers, old ladies, the sick and injured, teach children and young women. Women would also need someone to ask questions about marriage, intimacy, marital problems, and other subjects which would have been inappropriate to ask a man. Personally, I don’t approve of women being servants of the congregation. I recently attended a United Methodist Church where women passed the offering plates. The Bible clearly states that the man is the priest of the family and is to role model service to the congregation and his family. Men who allow women to serve as deacons are slacking in their responsibility to God.
 
XXVI. The bishop, he is the minister of the word, the keeper of knowledge, the mediator between God and you in the several parts of your divine worship. He is the teacher of piety; and, next after God, he is your father, who has begotten you again to the adoption of sons by water and the Spirit. He is your ruler and governor; he is your king and potentate; he is, next after God, your earthly god, who has a right to be honoured by you. For concerning him, and such as he, it is that God pronounces, “I have said, Ye are gods; and ye are all children of the Most High.” [2724] And, “Ye shall not speak evil of the gods.” [2725] For let the bishop preside over you as one honoured with the authority of God, which he is to exercise over the clergy, and by which he is to govern all the people. But let the deacon minister to him, as Christ does to His Father; [2726] and let him serve him unblameably in all things, as Christ does nothing of Himself, but does always those things that please His Father. Let also the deaconess be honoured by you in the place of the Holy Ghost, and not do or say anything without the deacon; as neither does the Comforter say or do anything of Himself, but gives glory to Christ by waiting for His pleasure. And as we cannot believe on Christ without the teaching of the Spirit, so let not any woman address herself to the deacon or bishop without the deaconess. Let the presbyters be esteemed by you to represent us the apostles, and let them be the teachers of divine knowledge; since our Lord, when He sent us, said, “Go ye, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you.” [2727] Let the widows and orphans be esteemed as representing the altar of burnt-offering; and let the virgins be honoured as representing the altar of incense, and the incense itself.

Constitutions of the Holy Apostles, Book II, Sec.IV.
 
Concerning the Deaconess—The Constitution of Bartholomew.

XIX. Concerning a deaconess, I Bartholomew [3687] make this constitution: O bishop, thou shalt lay thy hands upon her in the presence of the presbytery, and of the deacons and deaconesses, and shall say:—

The Form of Prayer for the Ordination of a Deaconess.

XX. O Eternal God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Creator of man and of woman, who didst replenish with the Spirit Miriam, and Deborah, and Anna, and Huldah; [3688] who didst not disdain that Thy only begotten Son should be born of a woman; who also in the tabernacle of the testimony, and in the temple, didst ordain women to be keepers of Thy holy gates,—do Thou now also look down upon this Thy servant, who is to be ordained to the office of a deaconess, and grant her Thy Holy Spirit, and “cleanse her from all filthiness of flesh and spirit,” [3689] that she may worthily discharge the work which is committed to her to Thy glory, and the praise of Thy Christ, with whom glory and adoration be to Thee and the Holy Spirit for ever. Amen.

Constitutions of the Holy Apostles, Book VIII, Sec. III
 
From The Ignatius Catholic Study Bible

Deaconess: The Greek diakonos can refer to an ordained minister of the Church (Phil 1:1; 1 Tim 3:8) or to a “servant” or “assistant” more generally (Rom 13:4; 15:8). Deaconesses in the early Church assisted with the baptism of women and similar tasks. According to the Council of Nicaea in A.D. 325, deaconesses are counted among the laity, not among ordained clergy. (Can. 19)

I have also heard the opinion that Deaconesses was the title of a Deacon’s wife.

Some more info: newadvent.org/cathen/04651a.htm
 
I see that the Greek uses the word “diakanon” which translates as servant. Is this correct?

I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconess of the church at Cen’chre-ae (Romans 16:1 RSV)

**And I commend to you Phebe, our sister, who is in the ministry **of the church, that is in Cenchrae (Romans 16:1 Douay-Rheims)

**I commend to you Phoebe our sister, who is (also) a minister **of the church at Cenchreae (Romans 16:1 NAB)

Is it safe to assume that the Catholic position is that Phoebe was a servant in the literal sense and not one who has had hands laid upon like Stephen or Phillip in Acts 6? I believe that the Diaconate got it’s name from the greek word for service and that just because Phoebe was a servant (diakanon), doeasn’t mean she was an ordained deacon like the seven in Acts 6.

Thoughts? Links to historical or authoritative Church documents? Reading only the first two sentences of a post and screaming “Heretic!” at the OP are fun too. 😉

-Tim-
I recommend Ben Witherington III, ‘Women in the Earliest Churches’, Cambridge University Press, 1988 (1994), pp. 113-7, for a very thorough and interesting discussion.
 
I recommend Ben Witherington III, ‘Women in the Earliest Churches’, Cambridge University Press, 1988 (1994), pp. 113-7, for a very thorough and interesting discussion.
So women were priests and deaconesses in the early Church? When did this practice stop and women were subsequently not allowed to be priests?
 
I see that the Greek uses the word “diakanon” which translates as servant. Is this correct?I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconess of the church at Cen’chre-ae (Romans 16:1 RSV)

**And I commend to you Phebe, our sister, who is in the ministry **of the church, that is in Cenchrae (Romans 16:1 Douay-Rheims)

**I commend to you Phoebe our sister, who is (also) a minister **of the church at Cenchreae (Romans 16:1 NAB) Is it safe to assume that the Catholic position is that Phoebe was a servant in the literal sense and not one who has had hands laid upon like Stephen or Phillip in Acts 6? I believe that the Diaconate got it’s name from the greek word for service and that just because Phoebe was a servant (diakanon), doeasn’t mean she was an ordained deacon like the seven in Acts 6.

Thoughts? Links to historical or authoritative Church documents? Reading only the first two sentances of a post and screaming “Heretic!” at the OP are fun too. 😉

-Tim-
Not sure about some of those translations !! Here is the King James Version:

Romans 16:1 I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea: (KJV)
 
Not sure about some of those translations !! Here is the King James Version:

Romans 16:1 I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea: (KJV)
Some translate this as deaconesses, whereas others say she is in service as a nun would be a servant of the Church. It is mostly those advocating for ordaining women who translate this as deaconesses.
 
Here is the footnote from the Aquinas Study Bible, which is mostly a quote from Augustin Calmet, the link ocsb.wetpaint.com/page/Romans+16
16:1 Phebe…who is in the ministry of the church: is literally rendered, who is also a Deaconess of the church. (Bishop John McEvilly) DEACONESS, such women were called deaconesses [attendants], who served the church in those offices, in which the deacons could not with propriety exercise themselves; such as keeping the doors of that part of the church where the women sat; for they were not seated with the men, but had separate places in the church. They assisted the women to undress and dress at baptism, privately instructed those of their own sex, and visited others imprisoned for the faith. They were of mature and advanced age when chosen; of good manners and reputation. They were in the primitive times appointed to this office, with the imposition of hands. Council. Laodic. cap. xi. St. Paul speaks of Phoebe, deaconess of the church at the port of Cenchrea, the eastern haven of Corinth, Rom. Xvl 1.
These persons appear to be the same as those whom Pliny in his famous letter to Trajan (Epist. 97.), styles “Ancillis, qua Ministry dicebantur”—female attendants called assistants, ministers, or servants. It appears, then, that these were customary officers throughout the churches; and when the fury of persecution fell on Christians, these were among the first to suffer: the most cruel of tortures were inflicted on them, not sparing even extreme old age. Vide Suicer, Thesaurus, Deaconess; Lardner, Test. vol. ii. p. 42. Is it not remarkable that this office, which is so well adapted to the matronly character of the female sex, should be wholly excluded from our list of assistants in the church? This female church-officer continued long to be useful and popular among the faithful; but is gradually more rarely adverted to by ecclesiastical writers; and ceases to be mentioned in connection with church-services, after A. D. 1000. Deaconesses are most particularly mentioned by St. Epiphanius (Hares. Ixxix.), who says, " There are also deaconesses in the church: but this office was not introduced as a priestly function, nor has it any interference with priestly administrations; but it was instituted for the purpose of preserving a due regard to the modesty of the female sex; especially at the time of baptismal washing, and while the person of the woman is naked; that she may not be seen by the men performing the sacred service, but by her only who, by order of the priest, had charge of the woman during the time that her person was naked." It is usually understood that at first, deaconesses were widows, who had lived with one husband only; not less than sixty years of age: which, by the fifteenth canon of the council of Chalcedon, was reduced to forty years. In later times they wore a distinguishing dress. They visited women, in the name of the church, when sick, or in poverty: they also, it is supposed, visited prisoners, suffering as Christians. The Apostle Paul says, that Phoebe had been his patroness, as well as of many others, Rom. xvi. 2. This implies a dignity which is seldom considered: and it shows, at least, that great respectability of station in life was the reverse of inconsistent with the office of deaconess. Afterwards (Ignatius, Epist. Smyr. ad. fin.) we read of “virgins who were called widows,” that is, deaconesses: and it should seem that maiden ladies of a certain age were invested in this office. We have the sepulchral inscription of “Daciana, a deaconess, who lived forty-five years and three months; in the time when F. Palmatus was consul: she was sister to Victorinus the presbyter; and had Instructed (in religion) many of her sex.” Muratori. p. 1537. Considering that in the East men had scarcely any access to the younger women at home, there can be little doubt, but what they received the major part of their religious instruction from the deaconesses; and so much of this as was previous to baptism, became a very convenient preparation for that rite. The practice of anointing after baptism is extremely ancient, and was, in a manner, universal. In this the deaconess performed the principal part; for the presbyter anointed the woman’s head only. (Augustin Calmet Bible Dictionary)
 
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