Oh my, now were getting way off in outer space. Look what happened to Dahmer and others that did the same thing!! Even those that did it out of desperation such as Donner Pass. We don’t know what Adam and Eve actually ate. Adam was given master over all the animals. Animals do not have Immortal Souls !!! God Bless, Memaw
God in his power could easily make their souls immortal just like he made a donkey talk like a human.
I really believe this is all opinion—on both sides.
Well, I think that if I had a pet, and I was told in a dream not to worry about my pet because it would be taken care of in heaven…and if I woke up the very next day to find that my pet had died…would I believe that my pet had ceased to exist? Or would I believe that my pet was in heaven being taken care of, just like I was told? I think I’d believe that an angel or the Lord had revealed this to me. And I’d be grateful.
i doubt he believes this really. This is just a figure of speech or euphemism for death, one which I have heard fairly frequently with both adults and children, esp. children. Ex: “Where’s your dog?” “Oh he went to doggie heaven.” I would take that to mean the dog died, not that the dog went to heaven. The Cardinal just made an off-the -cuff remark using a common euphemism, probably because he was talking with children. It’s like saying “I had my dog put to sleep.” The dog wasn’t put to sleep, he was euthanized, but “put to sleep” is a euphemism for that. We don’t need to suggest some heresy was being promoted.
I am adamant about leaving the question open and acknowledging God’s freedom and power. Not proclaiming “Only human life is immortal”. So I make no definitive statement that I need to support. You do.
You need to talk to someone that can truly and wisely explain it to you. Man is made in the image and likeness of God. We are His children. No where did HE give animals the same privilege. We have free will and intellect. Animals cannot choose good over evil. They act on instinct. Jesus did NOT die for the salvation of animals not matter how much we might love them while they are with us. That question is NOT open, it is Church teaching. God Bless, Memaw
Please explain your interpretation of Kings 2.2 and Revelation 9:11. God Bless, Memaw
Amen to this > Yet nothing new in all this as pagans worshipped critters of all kinds and there are still cat temples in Japan, google it…
I love the “only creatures on earth” part!!! TRUE Church teaching! God Bless, Memaw
How utterly beaufitul… THANK YOU!
Catholics are also not to personally interpret scripture
however as it reads…The Garden of Eden and everything in it, was created by God for Man’s use. In fact the whole Earth was created for that purpose!! Be fruitful and multiply the earth and subdue it. God Bless, Memaw
Jesus did not die for animals since they have no need to be saved. They did not sin. You are drawing a conclusion that is not found in Church teaching.
Just where did you find that in Kings. I have not been able to locate it! If that was to be taken literally, then why was Elijah riding OUT of Heaven??? No one leaves Heaven riding a horse or otherwise. And in my Bible, (Catholic) Rev. 9-11 reads And they overcame him through the blood of the Lamb and through the word of their witness, for they did not love their lives even in face of death.Catholics are also not to personally interpret scripture
Elijah rode out of tbe heavens on a chariot pulled by horses…in kings…
And in revelation… John was greeted by Faith and Truth…who was seated on a white horse.
There are many more references as well…
And eternal BEATITUDE can mean with thier pets. It does not say alone without pets. I think we can call our pets to us in heaven…this is my opinion.
Eternal BEATITUDE can mean many things…
So i digress, where were these horses? It states heaven in both.
In scripture…
In the bible.
Verbatim.
Also:
Several Popes agree there are and several dont…I am not staying the Popes who state there are no animals in heaven are wrong, because this is my opinion…but you are insisting the Popes who say there are animals there are wrong , by strongly debating this as fact…
…therefore you are claiming to know more then the Popes who do hold this assumption…
Without any concrete proof with the authority of the church behind you. You hold an opinion, which is fine…but it is not factual
Read CCC. 1703, God Bless, Memaw
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called faithful and true, and with justice doth he judge and fight. Rev 19:11
