Dead pets (dog) interceding for one in Heaven?

[AbideWithMe]

I don’t assume anything. I leave the question open.

I also think it is an open question. We do know the Lord is “loving and faithful towards all He has made.” Just how that works out, we shall have to wait and see.

 

[AbideWithMe]

IMHO–neither the catechism, nor the Bible–neither are written for animals. Man is the important one. Why would the Bible or the Catechism devote long sections to the fate of animals in eternity? The only portion in the catechism which seems to concern animals is 2415-2418. These only speak about their role on earth and man’s responsibility and care for them and to them.

The chapter that teaching # 1703 comes from–the chapter is entitled “MAN: THE IMAGE OF GOD”. The whole section is about man. It has nothing to do with animals at all. So how can this be proof that there will be no animals in the afterlife?

Why would God go into a huge scenario about animals or tell us exactly how they were created? He hasn’t done this: so the conclusion has to remain the same: this is a matter of opinion only. The catechism does not give us an exact answer, or even directly speak on this subject, so why be so adamant that there is absolutely no afterlife for them?

God gave life to all. This life belongs to him. When God hasn’t even directly revealed all these things to mankind, who are we, that we know the mind and plan of God so intricately that we can say we know exactly what the afterlife will hold for every single creature that God has ever created?

Thanks for reading my bit

Good points.

 

[Memaw]

So once again we have some people assuming that they know because it doesn’t mention it in the Bible…sounds just like Protestants when they question Catholic beliefs…incidently…the Bible never mentions the Bible neither…so should we ignore that…some just like to get the last word…lol

Or maybe some are trying to make the Bible say something it never does say or that the Church never has taught.It is NOT a Catholic belief!!! Seems we have gotten to the point where we think God is sooo good and loves so much HE just has to let everything he ever created into Heaven. This is the Year of Mercy but I don’t think that extends to animals too. God Bless, Memaw

 

[Techno2000]

Or maybe some are trying to make the Bible say something it never does say or that the Church never has taught.It is NOT a Catholic belief!!!

What has the Church taught about Ghost… there is very little information.

 

[boomerang]

My mother, father and niece have each had an extraordinary experience with a visitation from their newly deceased dogs, I’m not kidding. My parent’s dog came to each of them on the same night, in separate areas of the house, and barked right beside them. They both clearly heard it and it was their beloved Jinx’s distinctive bark. This was on the night Jinx died.

My niece heard the clear sounds of a large dog’s toenails clickety-clacking across the hardwood floor one night, along with the sound of a dog’s tags jingling as if the dog shook itself. There was nothing visible, just the sound. This was on the night their boxer died.

What are we to make of this? Many others have had this same experience. Your choices are either human ghosts or demons are playing pranks on us, or animals do indeed have a soul that survives death. A third possibility is that the whole phenomenon is none of the above, but some process unknown to us. It is not just wishful thinking. My father was a complete atheist who did not believe in life after death and he heard the dog’s bark clear as a bell and it really shook him up.

 

[Katherine438]

During my lifetime, when I didn’t stay close to Jesus and Mary, and I let myself be more interested in worldly things, my pets dying and where they would go seemed important to me.

When I am doing everything I can to maintain my own soul, and I have a good relationship with Jesus and Mary, where my dog is going to go after she departs is not as important to me.

I honestly can’t imagine finally getting to see Jesus and asking where Lady is.

 

[Autumn_Smoke]

My mother, father and niece have each had an extraordinary experience with a visitation from their newly deceased dogs, I’m not kidding. My parent’s dog came to each of them on the same night, in separate areas of the house, and barked right beside them. They both clearly heard it and it was their beloved Jinx’s distinctive bark. This was on the night Jinx died.

My niece heard the clear sounds of a large dog’s toenails clickety-clacking across the hardwood floor one night, along with the sound of a dog’s tags jingling as if the dog shook itself. There was nothing visible, just the sound. This was on the night their boxer died.

What are we to make of this? Many others have had this same experience. Your choices are either human ghosts or demons are playing pranks on us, or animals do indeed have a soul that survives death. A third possibility is that the whole phenomenon is none of the above, but some process unknown to us. It is not just wishful thinking. My father was a complete atheist who did not believe in life after death and he heard the dog’s bark clear as a bell and it really shook him up.

I heard my cat running down the stairs a few months after she died. Plus a couple other experiences that are too personal to relate.

Then I think this story is interesting:
“A friend of mine had two dogs and they were the best of friends. One dog died and the other fretted for over a week. The dog was taken for a walk over some fields, there was a clear view ahead and the dog was behaving normally walking to heal. Suddenly she became very still and then started leaping around obviously delighted at something, this went on for 10 minutes, her owner could see nothing. She then stopped, as if she could see something walk away, she gave a single bark, as if she was saying goodbye.”

There’s lots of stories like this out there. And we can say, “so what” and dismiss the thousands of stories. Or might we, at least once, wonder about them…?

 

[Techno2000]

I heard my cat running down the stairs a few months after she died. Plus a couple other experiences that are too personal to relate.

Then I think this story is interesting:
“A friend of mine had two dogs and they were the best of friends. One dog died and the other fretted for over a week. The dog was taken for a walk over some fields, there was a clear view ahead and the dog was behaving normally walking to heal. Suddenly she became very still and then started leaping around obviously delighted at something, this went on for 10 minutes, her owner could see nothing. She then stopped, as if she could see something walk away, she gave a single bark, as if she was saying goodbye.”

There’s lots of stories like this out there. And we can say, “so what” and dismiss the thousands of stories. Or might we, at least once, wonder about them…?

Right, we are surrounded by the Supernatural and don’t even know it and, it’s true there are thousands of stories the paranormal on the internet these days.

 

[Peebo]

Or maybe some are trying to make the Bible say something it never does say or that the Church never has taught.It is NOT a Catholic belief!!!** Seems we have gotten to the point where we think God is sooo good and loves so much HE just has to let everything he ever created into Heaven. This is the Year of Mercy but I don’t think that extends to animals too. God Bless, Memaw**

I don’t think anyone else here has suggested that the Year of Mercy has anything to to with animals…but seeing as “we think God is sooo good and loves us so much HE just has to let everything he ever created into Heaven”…perhaps you’ll enlighten us just how good God really is…and just who or what HE… in his creation… he will allow into Heaven…the Bible is the Word of God and is for our edification and to teach us the path to salvation…what God has in store for the rest of his creation is his business…not ours to speculate…what “we” think is totally irrelevant and plain pointless…as is this whole thread on this subject

 

[boomerang]

There’s lots of stories like this out there. And we can say, “so what” and dismiss the thousands of stories. Or might we, at least once, wonder about them…?

I wonder about them. A lot! There is absolutely more to this world than we can see and feel. Imagine if we could look into the spirit realm, just for a minute. I’m not sure I’d want to!

 

[Memaw]

Peebo:
I don’t think anyone else here has suggested that the Year of Mercy has anything to to with animals…but seeing as “we think God is sooo good and loves us so much HE just has to let everything he ever created into Heaven”…perhaps you’ll enlighten us just how good God really is…and just who or what HE… in his creation… he will allow into Heaven…the Bible is the Word of God and is for our edification and to teach us the path to salvation…what God has in store for the rest of his creation is his business…not ours to speculate…what “we” think is totally irrelevant and plain pointless…as is this whole thread on this subject

That is exactly what I have been saying, It’s NOT our to speculate. We should listen to what HE DOES say and what HIS Church teaches and work daily on our own salvation so we can help others. God Bless, Memaw

 

[Autumn_Smoke]

That is exactly what I have been saying, It’s NOT our to speculate. We should listen to what HE DOES say and what HIS Church teaches and work daily on our own salvation so we can help others. God Bless, Memaw

But unless I’ve been misunderstanding you, this is not what you’ve been saying: that it’s not ours to speculate. Haven’t you been saying all along that there is absolutely no eternity for anyone other than humans? And haven’t your posts been adamant about this?

I would love to see this thread end also. Can’t we just all agree to answer these animal threads with “no one knows for sure” ? I almost wish they’d make a permanent “sticky” about this topic. :banghead:

Yes, our own salvation is what is important. Daily, we need to take up our cross and follow him. He is our life, our love, and our very soul. To Him be all glory, all honour, and all praise forever.

God bless you, Memaw.

 

[Memaw]

But unless I’ve been misunderstanding you, this is not what you’ve been saying: that it’s not ours to speculate. Haven’t you been saying all along that there is absolutely no eternity for anyone other than humans? And haven’t your posts been adamant about this?

I would love to see this thread end also. Can’t we just all agree to answer these animal threads with “no one knows for sure” ? I almost wish they’d make a permanent “sticky” about this topic. :banghead:

Yes, our own salvation is what is important. Daily, we need to take up our cross and follow him. He is our life, our love, and our very soul. To Him be all glory, all honour, and all praise forever.

God bless you, Memaw.

The Catholic Church does NOT teach that dogs, cats or any animal goes to Heaven. That’s what I have said and that’s what I believe and that’s the END. God Bless, Memaw

 

[Peebo]

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But unless I’ve been misunderstanding you, this is not what you’ve been saying: that it’s not ours to speculate. Haven’t you been saying all along that there is absolutely no eternity for anyone other than humans? And haven’t your posts been adamant about this?

**
I would love to see this thread end also. Can’t we just all agree to answer these animal threads with “no one knows for sure” ? I almost wish they’d make a permanent “sticky” about this topic. :banghead:

Yes, our own salvation is what is important. Daily, we need to take up our cross and follow him. He is our life, our love, and our very soul. To Him be all glory, all honour, and all praise forever.

God bless you, Memaw. **

…hope yours is the final word

 

[e_c]

“In his riches, man lacks wisdom.
He is like the beasts that are destroyed.”

Read Psalm 49.

First of all, if we are going to say cats and dogs go to Heaven, then we need to say lemurs and octopi and bees and stinkbugs and wolves and anthrax and oaks and mushrooms go to Heaven too. And why shouldn’t particular rocks and oxygen molecules go too?

Second of all, Heaven is a name for a twofold reality - one material and one immaterial: the body lives in the New Creation, the intellect (which only humans and angels and God have) experiences the Beatific Vision. It is true that some of what looks like our world will be there which is not human (otherwise it could hardly be a world), but whatever is there does NOT experience the Beatific Vision, which is an integral part of “Heaven.”

Lastly, I will make my point again about identity and animals - they don’t have one in any meaningful sense beyond their body. Their soul is utterly dependent on their body… Read any orthodox Catholic philosopher who speaks on the issue. This means that when they die, their soul ceases to exist. Even if one regathered all the particular matter that once constituted that creature, it would not be the same creature, because its soul is coming forth from a NEW construction of matter. If a wolf ate a sheep, a farmer killed the wolf and fed it somehow to another sheep, who somehow processed all that matter of the former sheep into its reproductive cycle by conceiving and then nourishing a lamb in its womb that was born the same size as the original sheep with all the same matter, it would be wrong to call it the same sheep, no? So even if there was a resurrection of animals (which there is NOT), they could not possibly be the same. It follows from what an animal is and more importantly what it is not. No, you can’t say “God is mysterious and all-powerful therefore He can make this work,” because it would contradict what He has actually done with creation and the economy of salvation. To have an integral resurrection one must have a soul that has a purely immaterial principle. Only human beings have that… It is proven by the fact that we have the capacity for real language, which requires a certain kind abstraction of immaterial concepts from things in the world that demands for the entire universe to be able to be inside of us, not only in a metaphorical sense through memory, but in a REAL sense, through active conceptual thought of the things in themselves, not of the things as they relate to getting a treat or going outside for a walk. This principle is the intellect, which is what we will use to “see” God in Heaven. It is not a function of any organ, though it is related intimately with the body. Therefore, it is immaterial by nature, must be created directly by God as distinct from the body which is united to it, and which must therefore necessarily survive death and then be able to be reunited with matter at the resurrection.

Why do we like animals? Because they’re fun, yes? It is different from how we can relate with a human being, which is, for a healthy person, extremely more satisfying than relating to an animal ever could be… Because while you can desire an animal and wish its flourishing, there is never a truly reciprocal act, only instinctual responses that are in-built which may appear like meaningful reciprocation - therefore it is never a loving relationship, which is what fulfills us the best. And with God in Heaven it is far more intense than with any mere human being.

 

[Tomdstone]

The Catholic Church does NOT teach that dogs, cats or any animal goes to Heaven.

Holy Scripture says that there are horses in heaven?

Revelation 6:2-8;
Revelation 19:

 

[e_c]

Holy Scripture says that there are horses in heaven?

Revelation 6:2-8; 19:

No, it does not. What it says is that John saw a vision of horses in a particular context within a larger vision. John’s vision is not a Kodak of the New Creation, it is highly symbolic about Heaven and is prophetic of his own times as well.

 

[Tomdstone]

No, it does not. What it says is that John saw a vision of horses in a particular context within a larger vision. John’s vision is not a Kodak of the New Creation, it is highly symbolic about Heaven and is prophetic of his own times as well.

Here’s what is says:Rev 19:
“11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called faithful and true, and with justice doth he judge and fight.”
“14 And the armies that are in heaven followed him on white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.”

 

[e_c]

Here’s what is says:Rev 19:
“11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called faithful and true, and with justice doth he judge and fight.”
“14 And the armies that are in heaven followed him on white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.”

No, it does not. What it says is that John saw a vision of horses in a particular context within a larger vision. John’s vision is not a Kodak of the New Creation, it is highly symbolic about Heaven and is prophetic of his own times as well.