Dealing with anti-Catholic stuff.

[Lenten_ashes]

I have some thoughts for you CM before I leave.
You should help others to understand their faith. Too many people don’t. It comes off a little too strong. It’s good for some and turns some off. I’m sure you know what I’m talking about since you’ve been witnessing for a long time it seems.

Since you understand that the final results are between the person and God, then you must also understand that it is NOT our DOCTRINE that saves us but the Lord Jesus who went to the cross for us. Do you really think God is Catholic or Baptist or Lutheran or Jewish? God is God. He’s bigger than all of this. Whether or not I believe in purgatory, for instance, has NOTHING to do with my salvation. The only thing that saves me is my walk TOWARD God and away from satan. So that one day I may meet Him at the end of that walk.

It’s difficult to take things objectively and not be defensive when every thread I’ve been on has not produced good fruit. Instead of discussing the topic at hand, it somehow turns into an attach on me. It may partly be my fault since when I express my opinion I’m seen as an outsider instead of as a sister in Christ. I’m starting to understand this. It’s sad.

So these are the doctrine I don’t agree with.

1. Confessing to a priest. Jesus gave the Apostles this authority. Did they pass it on?
   I thought only God could forgive sin. The N.T. states EVERY gift that was passed on from Jesus to the Apostles and to the next generation. No mention of confession.

Plus, do you realize what problems confession causes? The teaching of confessing each sin instead of turning one’s life over to Jesus makes for much confusion and misunderstanding. I hear of scrupulousity in these threads - no such mention of this in Protestantism.

1. Purgatory. I’m so tired of hearing 1 Corinthians 3:11.15 refers to Purgatory. Do a study sometime on the word “fire” in these verses. Go back to the Hebrew and see if the second “fire” in verse 13 might not refer to the work of Jesus.

Plus, do you realize it means that Christ’s sacrifice was not SUFFICIENT.
Are we getting to heaven because of Christ’s atoning sacrifice OR are we getting there under our own steam? The decision must be made.

1. Infant Baptism. At baptism we are justified. How is a baby justified if he doesn’t even know God or is able to make the decision to serve God? Justification happens when we decide to serve the Almighty. Even the early church Fathers knew this and wrote about it. And why does the CC insist on mixing up Justification and Sanctification?? We don’t have enough difficult stuff to sift through? So the work of sanctification begins when a baby is 3 months old or a year old? Doesn’t that screw up the doctrine of our sin nature or concupiscense?

Those are the biggies. I’m not starting any threads because I’m not here to convince anyone of anything because to me you could believe all of the above and I wouldn’t say you’re not saved, or you’re incorrect. God will judge by the light we have. No need to argue. I was hoping for fellowship because not too many people in the real world like to talk about God. And I do - but about His love and how we’re the same - not argue about what’s different in each Christian sect. Although I don’t agree with all protestant doctrine either, like OSAS for instance.

I explained to you that I attend a Catholic church now, but that I cannot consider myself a true Catholic. On another thread I spoke about having spoken to a priest a know this morning to make sure about something I had said and a poster said I LIED. Using that word. Maybe he doesn’t have access to priests, but I do. So how would THAT make you feel? A bit defensive, I’m afraid.

I like you and will pray for you to continue in your work. I was looking up something about Amoris Laetitia and the famous chapter 8 and I think it lead me to something of yours. So please keep working for the Kingdom.

I’m really sorry this didn’t work out for me. I picked my name because I’m interested in spreading around God’s love and grace and mercy. I don’t like condemnation and I see a lot of it in different churches.
John 3:17

Peace
GG

Looks like you are banned now unfortunately.

You should consider starting a thread on purgatory when you can.

I’ve yet to set to see a sound and convincing argument against 1 Cor 3:11-15. I’d love to know where this place is after death that you “Suffer loss”. Because surely it isn’t heaven.

 

[Church_Militant]

I have some thoughts for you CM before I leave.
You should help others to understand their faith. Too many people don’t. It comes off a little too strong. It’s good for some and turns some off. I’m sure you know what I’m talking about since you’ve been witnessing for a long time it seems.

Oh well…

It’s difficult to take things objectively and not be defensive when every thread I’ve been on has not produced good fruit. Instead of discussing the topic at hand, it somehow turns into an attach on me. It may partly be my fault since when I express my opinion I’m seen as an outsider instead of as a sister in Christ. I’m starting to understand this. It’s sad.

Again, I have to think that these attacks are largely the result of your own perception because I have not seen any such thing in the threads I have read that you posted on. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen, but you seemed to thing I was attacking you when in fact I wasn’t.

So these are the doctrine I don’t agree with.

1. Confessing to a priest. Jesus gave the Apostles this authority. Did they pass it on?
   I thought only God could forgive sin. The N.T. states EVERY gift that was passed on from Jesus to the Apostles and to the next generation. No mention of confession.

Since we’re miles off topic now, I’ll go on and answer each of these and be done with it.

First, for someone who holds their Bible as their authority I would expect better knowledge of it from you. You seem to have forgotten James 5:[13] Is any one among you suffering? Let him pray. Is any cheerful? Let him sing praise.
[14] Is any among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord;
[15] and the prayer of faith will save the sick man, and the Lord will raise him up; and if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven.
[16] Therefore confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man has great power in its effects.

Plus, do you realize what problems confession causes? The teaching of confessing each sin instead of turning one’s life over to Jesus makes for much confusion and misunderstanding.

Only for those unwilling to abide by what the New Testament actually says. John Martignoni deals with this very well in his Two Minute Apologetics and you can read it at Why do Catholics confess their sins to a priest, rather than going directly to God?

1. Purgatory. I’m so tired of hearing 1 Corinthians 3:11.15 refers to Purgatory. Do a study sometime on the word “fire” in these verses. Go back to the Hebrew and see if the second “fire” in verse 13 might not refer to the work of Jesus.

Plus, do you realize it means that Christ’s sacrifice was not SUFFICIENT.
Are we getting to heaven because of Christ’s atoning sacrifice OR are we getting there under our own steam? The decision must be made.

This shows a complete lack of comprehension of Catholic teaching. Here’s my apologetic on it. Biblical and Jewish Traditional Beliefs About Purgatory It is far more rooted in Judasim and Christianity than most n-cs are willing to even look at.

1. Infant Baptism. At baptism we are justified. How is a baby justified if he doesn’t even know God or is able to make the decision to serve God? Justification happens when we decide to serve the Almighty. Even the early church Fathers knew this and wrote about it. And why does the CC insist on mixing up Justification and Sanctification?? We don’t have enough difficult stuff to sift through? So the work of sanctification begins when a baby is 3 months old or a year old? Doesn’t that screw up the doctrine of our sin nature or concupiscense?

Again, this is a fairly routine Protestant argument that will never work. The Bible clearly teaches that infants are meant to be brought into the faith. If not, why was Jesus presented at the temple (By divine mandate no less) at only 8 days old? Again, my apologetic. The Case For Infant Baptism

Those are the biggies.

I like you and will pray for you to continue in your work. I was looking up something about Amoris Laetitia and the famous chapter 8 and I think it lead me to something of yours. So please keep working for the Kingdom.

Thank you. I promise to do my very best.

I’m really sorry this didn’t work out for me. I picked my name because I’m interested in spreading around God’s love and grace and mercy.

Peace
GG

And so are we all.
Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum

 

[Michael_Francis]

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