Dealing with anti-Catholic stuff.

[Lenten_ashes]

I agree with much of what you say.
Churches split up / ideas (even within the RCC) could be different. I’ve often wondered why this is. Martin Luther was upset that the church was making people pay for indulgences and getting loved ones out of purgatory. The Pope didn’t even pay any attention to him and threw him out of the church so Protestantism could get under way. Was this a plan of the Holy Spirit? Couldn’t God direct His church? What about the Orthodox in 1,000 –

Jon S, we’re here on this earth and nothing is perfect. I hear weird stuff in and out of the RCC. I agree with you 100% that the bible could be used to prove anything. And why is this? Because the writers didn’t know all the dumb ideas we’d eventually get. Or they would have made sure everything was very clear.

So we agree on the big things. God will judge each by the light received. I don’t think He’s Lutheran or Catholic or any other religion. I think He’s God and will welcome all that honor and worship Him and His Son.

It was nice to speak to you.

GG

Greetings, GG.

I can tell you are a good non-Catholic Christian who loves God and we appreciate that even though we have our disagreements.

A few things, I think if the Church was not infallible then you don’t know for sure that you have the correct books in your bible. Of course when I say infallible I mean trustworthy in regards to faith and morals which include the formation of the correct biblical canon.

And if I am reading your last paragraph correctly, Are you saying that doctrine does not really matter? Or that some doctrine is essential and others are not?"

Thanks in advance for clarifying.

 

[fisherman_carl]

Coming up against proper anti-Catholic sentiment today from a church friend from a former church. They were properly angry with me, something that has left me tearful and horribly upset. How does one deal with feeling so crushed when attacked like this?

12If an enemy were insulting me,

I could endure it;

if a foe were rising against me,

I could hide.

13But it is you, a man like myself,

my companion, my close friend,

14with whom I once enjoyed sweet fellowship

at the house of God,

as we walked about

among the worshipers.

Psalm 55

 

[Bestil_Andno]

Hi GG. Thank you for your response. I’ve read ahead at some of the other posts. I might just have a couple questions for you here.

I’ll answer you by pointing out some posts I just read.

 

[GodsGrace154]

Great post Guanaphore!

I was thinking of a follow up to Grace as well and think I would simply say,

Assuming all you said about Luther is true, how does the Bible say the issue should be resolved?

Based on Matt 18, ultimately in this Feud, Luther was to take it to the church. Then the church was to make final determination.

It says nowhere “don’t listen and start the proper church according to how you feel”

Instead it says listen to the church.

This is very important.

I’m not here to talk about Luther. He took it to the church as in Mathew 18. Guanophore does confirm that the Pope did not treat Luther very well.

Indulgences were being sold. Salesmen were going into Northern Europe FROM ROME to sell them. Luther thought the problems were so many and of such magnitude - there were 95 on his list - that he could no longer be quiet about his misgivings. unfortunately for him, Pope Francis wasn’t around back then. He might not have had to leave the church, even better, he might not have had any grievances!

Would you listen to the church NO MATTER WHAT??
You know, even Paul said to do what the state says.
Romans 13:1-2
1 Peter 2:13-14

I wonder if he would have thought the same way if he’d been around Germany in the 1930’s and 40’s? Back in his time, he was just trying not to get his listeners killed by NOT obeying Roman rule - which was harsh by any standard - but had not set out to exterminate the Jews.

Just a thought.

GG

 

[GodsGrace154]

You already know that:
“I am the way the Truth and the life.” [Jn 14:6]. How did Jesus choose to give His Truth to us?

Clearly Jesus did:
You are Peter and on this rock I will build MY Church." (Mt 16:18)
“The gates of hell will not prevail against it.”(Mt 16:18)
I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of heaven." (Mt 16:19)
“Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven.” (Mt 16:19) [Later, also to the Twelve]. [My emphasis]

To St Peter alone – Sole authority:
“Strengthen your brethren.” (Lk 22:32)
“Feed My sheep.”(Jn 21:17).

Christ made St Peter His Supreme Vicar.
Christ never wrote anything of this but His Catholic Church, established by Him collected, from among very many writings a chosen set which She declared, through the Popes succeeding His chosen St Peter, to be the Word of God.

So the Bible tells us clearly whom to believe and that Christ gave us His Church with St Peter leading His Apostles – with Christ assuring them and us “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptising them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and behold, I am with you all days, even unto the consummation of the world.”

Those who wrote the NT were Christ’s followers His Apostles and disciples – of course Jews became Catholics then as they do today.

Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, Paul, and all the other NT writers, were all converted by Christ who founded His Universal Church which is Catholic (St Ignatius).

I apologize Abu but I can no longer reply to you.
You keep bringing up about Peter and the rock and I never said I didn’t agree with this.
You have your history confused and I’m not here to teach it to you. The JEWS did NOT convert to Catholicism. This is utter nonsense and you should study the history of the church beginning just after Jesus sent the Holy Spirit in Acts.
The apostles were Jews who believed Jesus was the awaited-for Messiah.

I’ll say no more.

GG

 

[GodsGrace154]

Greetings, GG.

I can tell you are a good non-Catholic Christian who loves God and we appreciate that even though we have our disagreements.

A few things, I think if the Church was not infallible then you don’t know for sure that you have the correct books in your bible. Of course when I say infallible I mean trustworthy in regards to faith and morals which include the formation of the correct biblical canon.

And if I am reading your last paragraph correctly, Are you saying that doctrine does not really matter? Or that some doctrine is essential and others are not?"

Thanks in advance for clarifying.

Hi Lenten Ashes,
Only our Father in heaven is good. And I can assure you we agree on all the basics.

Which correct books are you talking about? You mean like McCabees? There are 7 books extra in the Catholic bible. BTW, did you know that ALL Catholics are being told to update their bible if it was translated prior to 2009 (I think). Because the prior from this date were translated from the Latin and the new ones from the Greek, which is the right way since translating from Latin twice removes from the original and much gets lost in translation.

So, I’m not sure what you mean. Do you mean that because 7 books are removed from the Protestant bible, the morals are not being taught? This is not right and I hope you don’t believe this.

My last paragraph means that, ultimately, our doctrine is NOT what is going to save us but our belief in the Lord.

Let’s say you want to believe that Mary was taken bodily into heaven and I don’t believe that. Is this going to cause me to be lost?

That’s all I was saying. I wasn’t saying you could believe whatever you want to - there are standards to being a Christian.

GG

 

[GodsGrace154]

Psalm 55

BEAUTIFUL!!

And can be applied to so many situations…

 

[Abu]

GodsGrace154 #45
The JEWS did NOT convert to Catholicism. This is utter nonsense and you should study the history of the church beginning just after Jesus sent the Holy Spirit in Acts.
The apostles were Jews who believed Jesus was the awaited-for Messiah.

"173. If Christianity is the true development of the Jewish religion, why is it not the religion of the Jews today? Why did not the Jews accept Christ?
Many individuals did. As a race the Jews did not. This was not because Christ did not sufficiently prove His mission, but because the leaders of religious thought, and the teachers of the people had lost the true religious spirit, had selfishly transferred their affections to a love of their own high places, and had substituted the idea of a magnificent temporal ruler for the idea of a spiritual Saviour. They wanted deliverance from the tyranny of the Romans, and help to trample upon them in turn. Since Christ did not fit in with their earthly notions and ambitions, the leaders rejected Him. The majority of the people, dependent upon the Scribes and Pharisees for religious direction, obeyed these leaders, their own fears, and their national pride. The first members of the Christian Church were individual Jews chosen by Christ to spread His doctrines among the Gentiles; and this, in accordance with Christ’s own prediction in the parable of the great supper, where those first invited would not come. Indeed an earlier warning had been given to the Jews that their birthright would pass to the Gentiles if they did not overcome their attachment to earthly ideals in the incident of Esau’s selling his birthright to Jacob. Although Christianity should be the religion of the Jews, therefore, it is not, through their own fault as a race. The modern Jew takes his religion for granted, without inquiring deeply into the question."
See: Catholic Apologetics Online
radioreplies.info/site-search.php?s=20&q=Jewish

Exactly – the Jewish Apostles became Catholics, but many who think they are thinking are merely rearranging their prejudices. [Iconoclast William James].
Those who wrote the NT were Christ’s followers – His Apostles and disciples – of course some Jews became Catholics then as some do today.

Unless and until the faith and morals taught by Christ’s Catholic Church are known and accepted, so long will the multitudinous errors in both persist.

 

[guanophore]

I apologize Abu but I can no longer reply to you.
You keep bringing up about Peter and the rock and I never said I didn’t agree with this.
You have your history confused and I’m not here to teach it to you. The JEWS did NOT convert to Catholicism. This is utter nonsense and you should study the history of the church beginning just after Jesus sent the Holy Spirit in Acts.
The apostles were Jews who believed Jesus was the awaited-for Messiah.

I’ll say no more.

GG

They were converts, GG. They converted to Catholicsm. They were Messianic Jews. The CC is the Church written about in the book of Acts.

The entire NT was written by, for, and about Catholics. What is “utter nonsence” is your spinning history to deny that the Church in the book of Acts is the CC.

 

[Darryl_B]

Coming up against proper anti-Catholic sentiment today from a church friend from a former church. They were properly angry with me, something that has left me tearful and horribly upset. How does one deal with feeling so crushed when attacked like this?

I would like to reply to you, even though this very post has unfortunately become crushing Catholicism, (or is it seeking approval from Catholicism, sometimes I think the line is fine).

My friend, that used to be me. Of all the things I have ever done, it is the one I am most ashamed of, when I realized I did not just defend truth, but my own truth, I attacked not just the Catholic Church, but My Lord My God. I pray only that God will have mercy, not just on me but on all the whole world.

 

[GodsGrace154]

GodsGrace154;13833555:

Hi GG. Thank you for your response. I’ve read ahead at some of the other posts. I might just have a couple questions for you here.

Could you clarify what you mean by that a little bit for me please?

My goodness Bestil, I think we need to meet!

I said - Everyone who knows Jesus has the full faith.
Some are going to get upset with me and I apologize beforehand but you asked so I’m answering.
The Catholic church is a good church. Just because I don’t agree with all the doctrine does not make it a a bad church. However, it does have this, let’s call it attitude, of believing it’s the One True Church that comes down from Apostolic times (and this is correct) and sometimes people keep hearing this and it goes to their head a little bit.
It has beautiful worship, it has more sacraments than any other church. But it is also lacking in some ways. Teaching, for example - and I think teaching is VERY important to understand your faith.

So, we could say that every church will have its problems. BUT any church that is biblically based and teaches what the Lord taught will be a good church and will have the FULLNESS of the faith because JESUS IS THE FULLNESS of the faith. Not one doctrine over a different doctrine, not because there are more sacraments.

But then we’d have to get into why Catholics believe in the sacraments and it gets too complicated for our discussion here. Quick: They believe God’s grace is received through the sacraments, while other churches believe grace is given direct to us from God.
Sacraments are a VISIBLE sign of God’s grace - and so they like to have a lot of them.
But Jesus is our fullness of faith. Not anything else.

ONE

 

[GodsGrace154]

I agree that His sacrifice is what saves us. Without that…forget about it.

But doesn’t the Bible also somewhere say that the Church is His body and He is the Head or something like that? And isn’t His Church told to go to all nations to teach them and bring them salvation? And isn’t that necessary because He commanded it and there are people in the world who are not saved?

I guess I’m asking you if you think that Jesus and His Church are/can be separated?

You ask big questions Bestil. You’re 100% right. The Church is His body and He is the head.
Colassians 1:18

But please notice that you correctly spelled “Church” with a capital C. There are two churches. The one with a lower case c is any church, a bldg, that you wish to attend for worship and for learning. The one with the upper case, capital C, is the Body of Christ. Everyone who believes in the Lord and serves Him belongs in His Church.

Oddly enough, it is BOTH churches that are required to go into all the world and bring all to salvation. The church does this through having these bldgs and missionaries and feeding the poor and teaching and giving the opportunity to worship. The Church must also do this. We are to evangelize, help people (in a personal way) to come to know God and His Son so that they too can worship Him. Both “churches” are to go into the world.
Mathew 28:19 (here Jesus is speaking specifically of the church, through the Apostles)

I agree. Someone once said, “God opposes the proud…even if they are right!”

But if I am a brand-spanking new wannabe Christian, wouldn’t I want to find His Church? And could I be thankful when I do? Didn’t He say He would start a Church? How do I find His Church?

You have to do some work Bestil. You have to read the whole N.T. You have to know what Jesus wants from you. You have to know when you’re sitting in a church whether or not they are teaching the truth. Not every church does. I can say that although I don’t agree with all of Catholic doctrine, you could feel safe there. There are churches that teach weird things and you would not be safe.

A discernment must be made. You must be knowledgeable. This is why I stress learning a lot. We must KNOW what God wants from US. He is a personal and individual God. He has something different for each one of us. You must read your bible and not depend on this forum where I see much love for God but also much legalism that could damage you.

TWO

 

[GodsGrace154]

If I am looking for His Church…I would think because the Truth matters and Jesus’ Church has the right answer to that?

Let’s watch those “c’s”. Here in your question you mean “church.”
The truth matters. Jesus church will have the right answer to that. But churches see the right answer as being a little differently. It takes study to get to where you want to go.

Does the Church Jesus founded teach the same things about the sacraments? Do all churches?

All churches do not teach the same things about everything. For example, baptism in the Catholic Church is different from the teaching of every other Christian church. In Catholicism baptism is a starting point - in other churches it’s the culmination of a process. We need the bible here too. You need to decide which way makes more sense to you since one way is more biblical and I won’t say which here.

If that is true, it seems like His Church would teach those same principles back then…and today. Did it? Does it?

Since many Christian churches today teach many different things about many different things…doesn’t that show that either Jesus did a bad job of teaching those principles…or many churches are wrong in what they teach?

Jesus didn’t do a bad job. He made everything simple. Man makes everything difficult and complicated.

Some churches will take one or a few verses out of the bible and make a whole doctrine out of it. Actually, every church does this. For instance, the Word of Faith church teaches that God will give you what you ask for. Not only that but you’ve ALREADY RECEIVED IT! And I could lead you to a couple of scriptures that prove this to be true.
For instance Mathew 7:7 Ask and it shall be given. Luke 18:1-8 Persist and you shall receive. Well, do YOU believe this? So, then it must be more complicated and a church cannot teach the above.

I agree. But we must acknowledge that differences exist, they can’t all be true because they are contradictory, so there is going to be disagreement. But yeah, discussion and arguing are different.

I don’t want to quarrel. But I do want to know that I belong to the Church that He founded. That will take some discussion of differences. Churches that teach opposing views cannot both be teaching the Truth, can they? Somebody is teaching error. It is important because the Truth matters.

Does Jesus’ Church teach error?

The Catholic or Universal Church is the original church. Does it teach error? That depends on what you mean by error. I wouldn’t call it error, I’d call it progression of revelation that has brought it to some places I do not believe are correct.

But, as I’ve said all along, every church has a problem. How to resolve?

THREE

 

[GodsGrace154]

FOUR (LAST)

:thumbs: I agree that without His Resurrection…forget about it! I think Paul said something about that somewhere. But I don’t agree that that is the only important thing about Jesus’ life. He said, did, and taught a bunch of stuff that He told His followers to pass on. Some of it even AFTER His Resurrection, I believe.

CC, I believe my question to you was “What do you mean by ‘there is no right or wrong?’” You have shown me, in response, that people have disagreements about the teachings of Christianity. I do not see how it follows that there is no wrong and right.

Isn’t that kindof like saying ,“See, people disagree. So there is no right answer.”

Please forgive me if I have misunderstood you. Perhaps a more direct answer to my question would clarify it for me?

To me Christianity is simple and pure. We tend to make it too complicated. Have you ever tried reading the Catechism of the Catholic Church?
It can’t be that complicated!
There is no right and no wrong because it’s difficult to find everything in one church because man is flawed and makes mistakes in every endeavor.

The basic rules to Christianity are simple:

Man and everything else was made by God.
Man made a mistake and caused evil to enter into the world.
God made a provision for that evil.
Man is lost and needs a savior - he cannot save himself.
Jesus is the Savior.
His death on the cross saves us from eternal damnation, from sin, from the evil one.
His resurrection proves He is God and shows us we also will live with Him after death
But
The free gift of God to all men must be RECEIVED. We must believe in God in order to be able to spend eternity with Him.
Acts 16:31
John 3:16

Whatever else is added to the above (except baptism and communion) is man-made and additional and discernment can be used to accept or deny. Except that if you join a church you should agree with its doctrine. Right?

And there is the Church that Jesus said He would build when He was here on Earth. He left us His Church (unless I am misreading the Bible). Does His Church have a say in how we should worship? Or live?

His church has a say in how we should worship. And it’s how the Apostles worshipped.

vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

Justin Martyr (100-166 AD) Weekly Worship of the Christians

On Sunday all are to gather
Memoirs or writings of Apostles or Prophets were read
Exhortation was made to live accordingly
Prayer
Bread and Wine is shared
Amen and Thankfulness
A portion was sent by deacons to those at home, not in attendance

vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

And, yes, absolutely in how we should live.
What do you think Mathew chapters 5, 6, 7 and beyond are all about?

With all due respect that doesn’t inspire me in my search for His Church. That sounds like “Christian relativism”. That sounds like me trying to find a church that I feel the most comfortable in. That’s how I can find His Church? What if the church I pick starts teaching that abortion is wrong…and that upsets me…then I have to go pick a different one that teaches that abortion is ok. But what if that church teaches that it is a sin to drink alcohol…then I have to go pick one that teaches that drinking is ok. Etc., etc. Until I either find one that teaches everything that I agree with…and if I can’t…I’ll just start my own and then I will agree with it all.

That sounds like me changing His church into what suits me versus finding His Church and listening to it and letting Him change me through what it teaches. Didn’t He give His Church His authority to do that? Luke 10:16: “He who listens to you, listens to me…he who rejects you, rejects Me.” and Matthew 28:19+ : “Go…teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you…”

I’m starting to feel you’ve been pulling my leg all along!
But no matter. All I’ve said stands.

I’m not speaking about Christian Relativism. I’ve said that there are standards to follow.
If a church teaches that abortion is okay - you know it’s wrong.
If a church teaches that homosexuality is okay - you know it’s wrong.
If a church teaches that it’s okay to get drunk - you know it’s wrong.
But does the bible teach it is a SIN to drink alcohol?? No. See. The standards hold. If you’re going to a wrong church you should GET OUT.

The world is to become like the church
The church is NOT to become like the world

Luke 10:16
Jesus was sending out the Apostles and disciples.
But what were they going to teach, do you suppose?
That would be the Kingdom of God.
Found in the beginning chapters of Mathew.
Is this what is being taught today?
Has much been added?
Has something been subtracted?

You’re a smart fellow Bestil and have made me spend quite some time here, which I see has been unnecessary. But it’s good practice anyway. It could always help someone else reading along.

I agree. But I don’t agree that it is loving to pretend that doctrinal differences do not matter. My search for Christ’s Church will never end, then.

Thanks for the conversation, GG.

God bless.

I think I’ve answered re doctrinal differences.
If I don’t believe in purgatory, it doesn’t mean I won’t end up there. It means that right now, it’s not plausible to me. If I’m mistaken about any doctrine, God will practice his mercy and justice at the time of judgement. OTOH, a church may not proclaim a doctrine, bringing into question my salvation if I don’t believe it, unless it is fully provable from scripture. To this I stand firm.

GG

 

[GodsGrace154]

They were converts, GG. They converted to Catholicsm. They were Messianic Jews. The CC is the Church written about in the book of Acts.

The entire NT was written by, for, and about Catholics. What is “utter nonsence” is your spinning history to deny that the Church in the book of Acts is the CC.

The bible was written BY CATHOLICS?

Paul was Catholic?
Peter was Catholic?
James was Catholic?
Jude was Catholic?
John was Catholic?
Mathew was Catholic?

Are you serious?

 

[fisherman_carl]

I apologize Abu but I can no longer reply to you.
You keep bringing up about Peter and the rock and I never said I didn’t agree with this.
You have your history confused and I’m not here to teach it to you. The JEWS did NOT convert to Catholicism. This is utter nonsense and you should study the history of the church beginning just after Jesus sent the Holy Spirit in Acts.

The thing about history is you can always learn more. Catholics believe that Catholicism is the fullness of Christianity. So are you claiming no Jews became Christians. You might want to check out Acts 11:26 which says they were first called Christians in Antioch. Coincidentally it was the bishop of Antioch who first coined the phrase Catholic Church to describe the Church as a body or as a whole in about AD 110.

While many Jews rejected the Messiah in Jerusalem, and were ultimately judged for it in AD 70 with the fall of Jerusalem,( according to Jesus’ prophecy) , there were far more ‘Jews’ that did accept Christianity in the regions surrounding. These were the hellenized Jews who had been dispersed during the Babylonian conquests of Israel and Jerusalem, as well as the pagans, Greeks known as the Godfearers who accepted Judaism as a way of life and were primed for the acceptance of Christianity.

Now, the Pharisees and Jews in Jerusalem did not accept them as true Jews. Thus, they could only be content to accept the ‘scraps that fall from the Masters table’. Now imagine Jesus is preaching the kingdom of God to not only the Jerusalem Jews but also to the surrounding areas. Christianity included not just the privileged few in Jerusalem, but even the gentiles. So much so that Paul writes about it when he says Christ has brought down the dividing wall between Jew and Gentile, creating one new man. With the kingdom open to all people was it any wonder Jesus had more success among the God fearers and hellenized Jews? For they were on the outside of the kingdom, not able to enter. And the Pharisees in Jerusalem made sure they knew they were not welcome.

The apostles were Jews who believed Jesus was the awaited-for Messiah.

Yes. This is a core belief of Catholicism. They were 12 chosen to represent the 12 tribes of Israel. Just as Moses chose 12 to judge his people.

 

[Trident_H]

The bible was written BY CATHOLICS?

Paul was Catholic?
Peter was Catholic?
James was Catholic?
Jude was Catholic?
John was Catholic?
Mathew was Catholic?

Are you serious?

Here’s an easy test. Trace your religion back to its beginning. If it didn’t branch off from the Catholic Church at some point, where did it come from?

Or another question. How long was the Catholic Bible the only one put together and copied out before your version came along?

Still. We love you anyway. Just like you love us right?

So let’s be friends and do what friends do. Time for a group hug. :grouphug:

Peace GG. Been there. Done that.

-Trident

 

[Abu]

Many false ideas have been exposed, though some are unable to accept reality, and Christ’s’ Catholic Church identified clearly. The reality that never is challenged, because it can’t be, is that of Christ assuring the world that:
You are Peter and on this rock I will build MY Church." (Mt 16:18).

The other four attributes given to St Peter alone and not to the other Apostles identify and clinch the real aspects of the unassailable nature of Christ’s mandate to him.

The inability to accept this historic reality for many seems to be rooted in a dread of moving out of their comfort zone which results in sometimes denying what is actually present in the Sacred Scriptures, as we have seen.

 

[GodsGrace154]

"173. If Christianity is the true development of the Jewish religion, why is it not the religion of the Jews today? Why did not the Jews accept Christ?
Many individuals did. As a race the Jews did not. This was not because Christ did not sufficiently prove His mission, but because the leaders of religious thought, and the teachers of the people had lost the true religious spirit, had selfishly transferred their affections to a love of their own high places, and had substituted the idea of a magnificent temporal ruler for the idea of a spiritual Saviour. They wanted deliverance from the tyranny of the Romans, and help to trample upon them in turn. Since Christ did not fit in with their earthly notions and ambitions, the leaders rejected Him. The majority of the people, dependent upon the Scribes and Pharisees for religious direction, obeyed these leaders, their own fears, and their national pride. The first members of the Christian Church were individual Jews chosen by Christ to spread His doctrines among the Gentiles; and this, in accordance with Christ’s own prediction in the parable of the great supper, where those first invited would not come. Indeed an earlier warning had been given to the Jews that their birthright would pass to the Gentiles if they did not overcome their attachment to earthly ideals in the incident of Esau’s selling his birthright to Jacob. Although Christianity should be the religion of the Jews, therefore, it is not, through their own fault as a race. The modern Jew takes his religion for granted, without inquiring deeply into the question."
See: Catholic Apologetics Online
radioreplies.info/site-search.php?s=20&q=Jewish

Exactly – the Jewish Apostles became Catholics, but many who think they are thinking are merely rearranging their prejudices. [Iconoclast William James].
Those who wrote the NT were Christ’s followers – His Apostles and disciples – of course some Jews became Catholics then as some do today.

Unless and until the faith and morals taught by Christ’s Catholic Church are known and accepted, so long will the multitudinous errors in both persist.

Please check your underlined.

It says CHRISTIAN and NOT CATHOLIC.

That’s because the person replying to a question knows his history.

GG

 

[GodsGrace154]

Here’s an easy test. Trace your religion back to its beginning. If it didn’t branch off from the Catholic Church at some point, where did it come from?

Or another question. How long was the Catholic Bible the only one put together and copied out before your version came along?

Still. We love you anyway. Just like you love us right?

So let’s be friends and do what friends do. Time for a group hug. :grouphug:

Peace GG. Been there. Done that.

-Trident

If you check all my posts, you’ll discover that I never said otherwise.

GG
P.S. There’s only one version of the bible. The JW’s have a different version but I AM Christian…