Dealing with Covid Response/ Restrictions - Christmas Mass

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Tis_Bearself said:
To be honest, I’m a bit suspicious of this thread. It seems to be someone who just joined this forum, which is closing soon, for the sole purpose of airing some grievance and is not interested in any practical solution to their problem, or in offering up their suffering/ sacrifice to God. I think it’s time for me to mute this thread and just pray for the person who for whatever reason started it.
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And it sounds an awful lot like a thread we just had…
 
throwawayaccount15 said:
I just am so upset and frustrated by how my diocese has handled the pandemic by severely restricting access to Masses
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Restricting numbers in churches is necessary and proper, so I hope that’s not your complaint. If the method of deciding who gets to attend in person is your issue - contact your parish priest. And yeah - you should be registered at your local church.

Bear also in mind bishops have widely dispensed you from the obligation to attend Sunday mass during periods of restrictions, and that live-streaming of many masses is available. Focus on spending some time with God rather than the particular means of doing so.
 
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I don’t see any value in ZOOM Mass and refuse to play along with the ZOOM ghetto in general as it is destroying society. I don’t like the idea that the rich and connected are allowed to attend Mass while the plebs are told to wait in their cars or dismissively told to “watch it online.” And this whole thing is pushing me further away from the Catholic Church. I feel very made at the parish and the diocese, why should I give them money or “register” when they have made it 100% clear since March that I am not welcome there.
 
I think that the diocese should advertise open churches in one website so I don’t have to go searching to every single parish.
 
throwawayaccount15 said:
I don’t see any value in ZOOM Mass and refuse to play along with the ZOOM ghetto in general as it is destroying society. I don’t like the idea that the rich and connected are allowed to attend Mass while the plebs are told to wait in their cars or dismissively told to “watch it online.” And this whole thing is pushing me further away from the Catholic Church. I feel very made at the parish and the diocese, why should I give them money or “register” when they have made it 100% clear since March that I am not welcome there.
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I wasn’t aware that one had to be rich and connected to register as a parishioner.
 
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throwawayaccount15 said:
I don’t see any value in ZOOM Mass and refuse to play along with the ZOOM ghetto in general as it is destroying society. I don’t like the idea that the rich and connected are allowed to attend Mass while the plebs are told to wait in their cars or dismissively told to “watch it online.” And this whole thing is pushing me further away from the Catholic Church. I feel very made at the parish and the diocese, why should I give them money or “register” when they have made it 100% clear since March that I am not welcome there.
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This has nothing to do with money. You’re not making any sense. Registering with a parish is free. No one prevented you from doing it; you just didn’t. Stop playing the victim and take responsibility.
 
Yeah I totally agree. It’s crazy that some churches are requiring social distancing on top of wearing masks(their reason for registering people for Mass attendance). If the masks work, then why need social distancing? I know in my city(which has some pretty strong restrictions but isn’t as authoritarian as to say, “we will fine you for going x miles from your home”) at least the masks are enough for smaller churches and some churches if large enough don’t require it if social distancing can be maintained. I feel isolated from my Church too. I usually watch Mass online now because I have young kids including a toddler and I’m pregnant. If my toddler is crying during Mass wouldn’t he be contaminating everything with our shared germs since he’s allowed to be unmasked? People are so judgemental and scrupulous nowadays I feel it best to just avoid society until everyone who wants one can take the vaccine…and yeah the elites and those who donate big sums make the calls in the churches regarding their parish’s COVID procedures.
 
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Hi there, You are not the only one being at a loss here, for we are living in crazy
times. Being new to this forum, I’m not sure if it is permissive to give links to other sites,
so I won’t. Just wanted to tell you that bishop Athanasius Schneider gave an excellent
synapsis to this topic just a few days ago.

You can easily find it under ‘KEEP the FAITH in 2021: Michael Matt Chats With Bishop Schneider’.

As for myself, I have the sad report that the only covid- victim I know, is actually a victim of the
restrictions, not the virus itself. It is my late nephew Marcus from Vienna, who, with a background
of emotional instability and tendencies to depression, now completely cut off from
all remaining splinter groups of the family - living by himself, could not cope with this
situation of loss of freedom and ‘fell out a window’ earlier this month.

This problem probably far outweighs the actual covid virus related deaths worlwide,
with people suffering from loss of job, social contacts and reason for being here.

Never in history has the church acted so cowardly hiding behind the government
regulations and foresaking their flock, not at the spanish flu that was 100s of times
more deadly, not in the times of the black plague which decimated the earth population
by more than a third.

Austria will face the next hard and total lockdown just a couple of days after christmas
with all masses, weddings, funerals, baptisms, confirmations and last rights being
put on hold - as the government demands.

The clerics, bishops retreating to their mansions built by the love, sweat and blood
by our forefathers. It was not long ago, that the church crowned kings on their knees!
Now they are slaves of … well you get the gist.

Keep the faith, His Kingdom Comes! With love, from Austria.
P.S: If you find it in your heart pray for that handsome guy Marcus - I’m
pleading ‘unsoundness of mind’ by the Godly judgement, and I have reason to believe
his soul not eternally being lost - I received this vision.
 
Lots of whining going on here. Suck it up. Nobody is asking anyone to run into a burning building or to be sent off to war. Wear a mask and respect the concept of social distancing. Stay home until this passes, to the best of your ability. Quit staring at your bellybutton and make the well-being of your community your priority.

Sorry for the rant, but not sorry. This thread is making me crabby. Time for some Christmas cookies and eggnog.
 
Hopefully this will be over soon as those truly afraid for their lives of COVID will be able to take the vaccine within the next couple of months.
 
I understand, and no, it is not necessary. Just know though that one must live with the consequences of one’s choices. One such consequence means that you will not have the same credibility to critique the COVID response of those more involved in the parish.
 
throwawayaccount15 said:
The issue is that I cannot because I didn’t even know that the registration was open and available.
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Ring the Parish office and find out. Ring the Diocese office and find out. Just ask. You know now, so you can.
There is no law regarding not registering at Parishes in all this.
These measures are not to exclude, booster certain groups, or any other insidious thinking.
These measures are what is required during these very difficult times.
The Catholic Church is not responsible for the pandemic, it is responsible to abide by local law and stop/ limit the spread of Covid.
Do you remember Easter and Pope Francis in an empty square?
You are not the only one who is not able to easily attend Mass.
 
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So that wipes out Church responsibility? Take the Vatican and Italy’s example earlier this year .

Who said that?
Who dropped the ball with Public Health leadership?
 
Well I didn’t say that it shouldn’t be taken seriously. I said that it may not be taken seriously.

It’s determined by registration wherever I’ve lived.
 
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Flair for the dramatic, much?

For heaven’s sake, have a little more faith. God is still with you just as He has always been. A little covid doesn’t send Him running or cause Him to withhold His grace. He knows the struggle.

He gave us intelligence and reason to deal with things like a pandemic in responsible ways. We shouldn’t disappoint. That is all the Church is trying to do.
 
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Monica83 said:
If the masks work, then why need social distancing?
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Don’t be silly. Masks aren’t 100% effective and no one ever claimed they were. Masks reduce spread, they don’t stop it completely. They’re a tool that in combination with other tools, like social distancing, helps reduce transmission. It’s not foolproof.
JMMJ said:
Flair for the dramatic, much?
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It’s getting so tiresome. I’m not going to miss this place.
 
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Staying home isn’t “cowering in fear”. Where did you get the idea it is?
 
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Eh…at this point you can take the vaccine or buy N95 masks off Amazon. You don’t need to social distance with an N95 as medical professionals wear them in close contact with patients. If everyone would take personal responsibility at this point the church could get back to normal and more funds would be returning to parishes and Catholic schools.
 
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