Dealing with liberal smugness

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Greetings,

I find myself in need of some guidance.

A few years ago, I returned to the Church after almost two decades of generally angry non-belief. I recently moved to New York City from Connecticut. As a past time I like to write fiction, and once I got settled in, I joined a local writers group. Now, I have no illusions about the creative community on the borough of Brooklyn (generally liberal, secular, with a required dislike of religion, Catholicism especially…) I knew there would be plenty of people there who would disagree with my beliefs if they were made aware of them. I certainly didn’t go out of my way to tell them about it, figuring it wasn’t the place. But for the most part they were polite. However, during one meeting,there was one fellow who was very outspoken about how much he disliked folks with traditional beliefs in general, advocating that people should steal books written by authors who, for example, have expressed opposition to gay marriage. I politely disagreed, and in the process “outed” myself as a church-going Catholic. They weren’t hostile about it (I would have left otherwise) and eventually the conversation reached a “let’s agree to disagree” endpoint. However the condescension and smugness was thick enough to suffocate on. The fellow who started the whole thing (who was practically a Left-wing stereotype…he spent ten minutes ranting on about how much of a feminist he is.) could barely keep the smirk off his face. Sort of a “look at the stupid Christian, we need to re-educate him out of his silly superstitions” sort of attitude.

Not everyone there was like that. I’m actually friends now with one of the other writers there, and the man who organized the group remained very polite and professional. But I am wondering if its worth going back. I don’t mind dealing with atheists, provided they aren’t obnoxious about it. But that kind of liberal smugness is a bit much to take. As much as I want to improve my writing, having my faith insulted seems a high price to pay. So, does anyone have any experience dealing with this kind of situation? Any advice to give?
 
Ugh. Please don’t lump all liberals in with this guy. We’re not all like this.

My advice is to just smile and nod. That’s the worst thing you can do to someone on their soapbox. Just pay them no real mind.
 
I’ve dealt with the smug liberal. Most of the time, they’re as close-minded as can be and you’d probably have a better chance in asking a brick to transform into a pencil.

When the time arises, prepare for a debate. Read some tracts that can be found on the CA store, also, go to EWTN and Fisheaters is another website that’s good. Read up on the catechism, but most of all, pray for the fellow.
 
The smugness comes from insecurity and a deep, gnawing feeling that they are wrong in their beliefs. In my humble opinion, of course. 🙂
 
If you leave, you probably give the guy what he wants–just a thought.

However, I have to say this smug attitude is not soley the province of some liberals. I have met fundamentalist Christians and even Catholics with the same attitude. I would say it’s about even on the smug scale.😉
 
Greetings,

I find myself in need of some guidance.

A few years ago, I returned to the Church after almost two decades of generally angry non-belief. I recently moved to New York City from Connecticut. As a past time I like to write fiction, and once I got settled in, I joined a local writers group. Now, I have no illusions about the creative community on the borough of Brooklyn (generally liberal, secular, with a required dislike of religion, Catholicism especially…) I knew there would be plenty of people there who would disagree with my beliefs if they were made aware of them. I certainly didn’t go out of my way to tell them about it, figuring it wasn’t the place. But for the most part they were polite. However, during one meeting,there was one fellow who was very outspoken about how much he disliked folks with traditional beliefs in general, advocating that people should steal books written by authors who, for example, have expressed opposition to gay marriage. I politely disagreed, and in the process “outed” myself as a church-going Catholic. They weren’t hostile about it (I would have left otherwise) and eventually the conversation reached a “let’s agree to disagree” endpoint. However the condescension and smugness was thick enough to suffocate on. The fellow who started the whole thing (who was practically a Left-wing stereotype…he spent ten minutes ranting on about how much of a feminist he is.) could barely keep the smirk off his face. Sort of a “look at the stupid Christian, we need to re-educate him out of his silly superstitions” sort of attitude.

Not everyone there was like that. I’m actually friends now with one of the other writers there, and the man who organized the group remained very polite and professional. But I am wondering if its worth going back. I don’t mind dealing with atheists, provided they aren’t obnoxious about it. But that kind of liberal smugness is a bit much to take. As much as I want to improve my writing, having my faith insulted seems a high price to pay. So, does anyone have any experience dealing with this kind of situation? Any advice to give?
From what you write here it is very much worth going back to. You’ve gotten a new friend…The group leader “remained very polite”…and it sounds like you handled yourself very well.
Continue attending. Continue being polite and charitable. Continue defending your position as the need arises.
One of two things will happen. Either your opponent will become frustrated and aggressive or he will stop talking…
The trick in this is for you to remain firm but calm so that, if there is aggression, it is clear who is the aggressor. In which case others will come to your defense and he will likely withdraw.
If he chooses to stop talking for fear of confronting you…then it is likely that he will be the one to leave the group.
In either case, you are able to bring a fresh perspective to the group. One that seems to be sadly lacking.
I believe the group, as a whole, is improved by your presence and outlook. They too should appreciate this because it will help to make them better writers.

Just some thoughts.

Peace
James
 
Pray for him is my advice. And, with disappointment I note he may have a valid point in that others have not recommended we pray for him and all those with hardness of heart.
 
From what you write here it is very much worth going back to. You’ve gotten a new friend…The group leader “remained very polite”…and it sounds like you handled yourself very well.
Continue attending. Continue being polite and charitable. Continue defending your position as the need arises.
One of two things will happen. Either your opponent will become frustrated and aggressive or he will stop talking…
The trick in this is for you to remain firm but calm so that, if there is aggression, it is clear who is the aggressor. In which case others will come to your defense and he will likely withdraw.
If he chooses to stop talking for fear of confronting you…then it is likely that he will be the one to leave the group.
In either case, you are able to bring a fresh perspective to the group. One that seems to be sadly lacking.
I believe the group, as a whole, is improved by your presence and outlook. They too should appreciate this because it will help to make them better writers.

Just some thoughts.

Peace
James
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I agree with this completely. The smugness is a result of arrogance. They lack the humility that we Catholics are called to have. (True, many Catholics also lack this humility. I used to, but I’ve been working on it…)

You should definitely keep attending, to be an example of true Catholic Living to the members of your group.

Being calm and rational is the best sort of defense against this sort of attack. Secularists pride themselves on their logic, but then tend to make very illogical arguments and generalizations about Faith and the faithful.(I recognize that this statement is also a generalization, but work with me here :p) Remaining calm and displaying the rational thought behind your beliefs, and showing them those beliefs put into practice through your calm, quiet, humble and polite attitude, is the best way to show those types that they have a fundamental misunderstanding of what the Catholic Faith is.
 
Regardless what people are, smugness can creep in and it’s ugly on anyone.

I’ve met so called “Christians” that are so smug and condensending. I just smile & agree to disagree. I won’t let them rent space in my head.

We’re all different & God’s children & sometimes it’s very hard to realize it.

Prayers
 
I just smile & agree to disagree.
I wouldn’t “agree to disagree,” rather, I would close an argument with something along the lines of “You have failed to acknowledge any of the points I have made on blah de blah subject, so I really don’t see any point in arguing with you any further.” This will generally work because most of the time they have no logical responses, so they ignore your points 😛

It also displays that you are leaving the argument as the result of the way they are debating, rather than appearing to be making a concession to their point. Basically, it makes it so that they are ending the argument prematurely, rather than you.

If it’s applicable, also throw in the logical fallacies they’ve committed, for good measure 😛 (in religious arguments, usually the Straw Man, Ad Hominem, or Tu Quoque fallacies.)
 
Greetings,

I find myself in need of some guidance.

A few years ago, I returned to the Church after almost two decades of generally angry non-belief. I recently moved to New York City from Connecticut. As a past time I like to write fiction, and once I got settled in, I joined a local writers group. Now, I have no illusions about the creative community on the borough of Brooklyn (generally liberal, secular, with a required dislike of religion, Catholicism especially…) I knew there would be plenty of people there who would disagree with my beliefs if they were made aware of them. I certainly didn’t go out of my way to tell them about it, figuring it wasn’t the place. But for the most part they were polite. However, during one meeting,there was one fellow who was very outspoken about how much he disliked folks with traditional beliefs in general, advocating that people should steal books written by authors who, for example, have expressed opposition to gay marriage. I politely disagreed, and in the process “outed” myself as a church-going Catholic. They weren’t hostile about it (I would have left otherwise) and eventually the conversation reached a “let’s agree to disagree” endpoint. However the condescension and smugness was thick enough to suffocate on. The fellow who started the whole thing (who was practically a Left-wing stereotype…he spent ten minutes ranting on about how much of a feminist he is.) could barely keep the smirk off his face. Sort of a “look at the stupid Christian, we need to re-educate him out of his silly superstitions” sort of attitude.

Not everyone there was like that. I’m actually friends now with one of the other writers there, and the man who organized the group remained very polite and professional. But I am wondering if its worth going back. I don’t mind dealing with atheists, provided they aren’t obnoxious about it. But that kind of liberal smugness is a bit much to take. As much as I want to improve my writing, having my faith insulted seems a high price to pay. So, does anyone have any experience dealing with this kind of situation? Any advice to give?
I have been in EXACTLY your place. Attended a writer’s group for years and gritted my teeth and bit my tongue every time they went off on their political tandems.

But following 9/11, some of the unbelievable and cruel things they said, right in front of a man whose brother-in-law, fireman, had given his life to save others, proved too much.

I revealed my beliefs there for the first time.

Their response? ‘But you seem like such a nice person.’

I drifted away following that. Yes, I miss being part of such a group. But when liberalism trumps everything else, I can’t stick around.
 
I’ve had more than my unfair share of liberal-progressive smugness. No wonder I had developed some odd ways in dealing with them.
 
If you leave, you probably give the guy what he wants–just a thought.

However, I have to say this smug attitude is not soley the province of some liberals. I have met fundamentalist Christians and even Catholics with the same attitude. I would say it’s about even on the smug scale.😉
Both excellent points. Don’t let a jerk (of any stripe) drive you away.
 
I have been in EXACTLY your place. Attended a writer’s group for years and gritted my teeth and bit my tongue every time they went off on their political tandems.

But following 9/11, some of the unbelievable and cruel things they said, right in front of a man whose brother-in-law, fireman, had given his life to save others, proved too much.

I revealed my beliefs there for the first time.

Their response? 'But you seem like such a nice person.'

I drifted away following that. Yes, I miss being part of such a group. But when liberalism trumps everything else, I can’t stick around.
My response…“Does this mean I’m no longer a nice person??”

The I would see how the conversation developed from there…

Peace
James
 
Didn’t know how to respond back then. Just left my jaw hanging.

But I do have to add, that as a conservative, I feel completely marginalized and made a virtual pariah by not only my own local society (blueblueblue state) but also the Catholic church.

😦
 
It’s funny to me how smug they are on MSNBC.

It’s funny to me how smug they are on Fox News.

Smugness is common among people who have substituted ideology for thought.
The smugness comes from insecurity and a deep, gnawing feeling that they are wrong in their beliefs. In my humble opinion, of course. 🙂
 
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