Dealing with negative people

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FaithInTheSon said:
Bill I would also assume you would agree that if your faith were strong enough you would not need the pills. Of course, this is not very applicable because we all lack faith. Some more than others, but most of us are not sinless for any extended period of time. Not implying you lack faith more than others, just provoking thought.
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TheRealJuliane said:
How did you help? By stating that doctors are in it for the money, and that anti-depressants are unnecessary? And that if we all just had more faith we wouldn’t need them in the first place. Would you say that to someone who is diabetic? That if they had more faith, their pancreas would work properly? It is very dangerous and WRONG to say such things, or imply them.

You are twisting things that may have an element of truth making them fit your anti-drug/anti-medical agenda. It’s OT for this thread, where we are trying to help the OP to understand and/or help her negative-minded friend.

I do not need to support my experience in the medical field, and how could I? I am telling the truth. I worked for an OB-GYN, a three-man family practice group, and in a Catholic hospital. Have you any experience in the fields you are denigrating? Or just opinions?

Don’t bother answering, this has gone on long enough, it’s OT and rude to the OP.
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Look at your logic
  1. I never said all doctors are in it for money I made a clear distinction multiple times.
  2. I clearly stated that anti-depressants do seem to be the best option for some.
  3. 2 people close to me are diabetic. 1 just got their blood sugar low enough to get off of insulin. This is someone who has very little faith.
  4. I clearly said that we all lack faith. With even a little faith you can tell a tree move into the ocean. I never met anyone who could do that. It is what our Lord told us, though.
It is wrong to say that faith can not cure any ailment. I knew you would attack me like this.

It is just not always applicable.
 
iumaddog627, I want to apologize for this argument between FaithInTheSon and me, that has derailed your OP. I hope that you got enough answers to your question about your negatively-minded friend. I am not going to reply any more, but I hope that your friend can become more positive. Being negative about everything in life is very wearing, and chases people away because the negative person is always playing “Debbie Downer.”
 
My husband is that way. He calls me a cruel optimist… which I am.

Over the 6 years I’ve known him. I’ve just slowly chipped away at his pessimistic view of the world. I often have a see, something good did come of that bad event.

He really hated it after my first miscarriage. I told him that there had to be a reason. Yes it was painful, heck it still is 4 years later. But there was a reason. Low and behold 5 months later I was pregnant again and we had our daughter just after Thanksgiving. If it wasn’t for our first giving up his life, we wouldn’t have been able to save his sister or brother from the same fate.

Even now, he has run into job issues. His hours have been cut along with his pay. We can barely survive on the money he makes. But I know it wont last forever. It doesn’t make any less of the bad. But there is good that comes of it. I don’t know what it will be, but it will happen.

He jokes now, that he must be losing it because he can see the positive in the bad. He says that it is all my fault, jokingly.

But it took time. The reality is, we have a stronger relationship because all of the hardships we’ve already had to endure.
 
Other than seeing a doctor / counselor, there may be some faith based books on positive thinking that might help your friend.

I don’t know any titles off hand; however, I try to practice faith based affirmations myself to counter negative thinking because I believe that our words and our attitude can effect our happiness at minimum, and possibly our future.

There are several passages in Isaiah that I like to read and repeat regularly that help me:

IS 40: 28-31
IS 45: 24
IS 45: 2

If you find a good faith based book on positive thinking then let us know or PM me as I would like to read one too.

Good luck
 
FaithInTheSon said:
Bill I am aware of some things about you that some people reading will not be. You’re situation is very different from most peoples. You very well may be a case of anti-depressants proper application.

I know someone who has depression and PTSD who does very well off of medication compared to when he is on it.

Like with all things, there is a middle ground. Doctors have no incentive to find it. That’s part of what makes it dangerous.

Bill I would also assume you would agree that if your faith were strong enough you would not need the pills. Of course, this is not very applicable because we all lack faith. Some more than others, but most of us are not sinless for any extended period of time. Not implying you lack faith more than others, just provoking thought.
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I agree that doctor’s have no incentive to find middle ground. Psychiatrists essentially prescribe psychiatric medications and then look to see if they have a positive impact on the person, but they are essentially pill prescribers, they are not in any way couselors nor do they actively work with a patient to ‘solve’ their problems. I assme that most all of them have the ability to do this, but the way the medical system works, unless you are privately paying the psychiatrist to give you ‘talk therapy’ you are going to get pills prescribed to you.

I also know that psychiatrists will work with individuals to lower and eventually stop their medication if the person is in a situation where they may be ‘temporarilly’ depresssed or anxious, rather than considered ‘chronically mentally ill’.

And I myself have done OK off of medications at times and have done terrible while on medications at times. With respect to “Bill I would also assume you would agree that if your faith were strong enough you would not need the pills.” I would agree with this but my situation is very complicated. And at one point while working with a psychologist (a ‘talk therapy’ doctor) to address the underlying issues that cause my problems I had a pretty extreme reaction. A ‘pandora’s box’ was opened, I was not prepared to deal with it, it was terrifying and lasted a few months or so.

So I believe that medications are over prescribed, drug companies are ‘pill pushers’ and doctors are not incentivised to cure people, they are incentivised to keep people stable. A good doctor will work with a person to try and get them to do things that will work towards ‘curing’ them, such as working to get a person exercizing, eating healthy, and encouraging spirituality (this is complicated for them and I’m assuming that most doctor’s do not beleive in God and for those that do I think this is a touchy subject from a doctor’s point of view, I’m not sure why exactly, maybe they fear being sued or offending people).

I can say that since I have returned to the Church and am invested in being a good Catholic I have had certain prayers answered that I can say in one case I believed it was extremely unlikely to happen and was fearful the prayer would not be answered, I did my best to have faith and consider that prayer being answered a small mericle in the grand sceme of things (and a HUGE one for me in my and my families life, HUGE, HUGE, HUGE). I am extremely blessed to have had that prayer answered, I won’t go into details but as far as I am concerned there is no other possible explaination than God intervening in my life. It was and is absoultely amazing. Thanks for your post and it’s been a pleasure talking with you.

God Bless,
Bill
 
Hi Bill! 🙂 Just found your post and believe me, I know someone like that myself. But after reading several of the posts (the more helpful ones, that is 😉 ) it’s helping me to understand my own friend’s situation. Hope things will get better on your end, as well.

I would just like to add something here, on the subject of anti-depressants or not: it depends on the situation, and the person. My own doctor prescribed SSRIs to me a few years back, since I was going through severe depression after a death in the family and dealing with a very, ***very ***hostile working and living environment. As far as I’m concerned, that doctor saved my life. That being said, “meds” may not be the course of action for everyone; but sometimes it can be medically necessary.

Depression doesn’t mean “lack of faith”. Even Christ got depressed; it was said that His agony at Gethsemane was the worst part of His Passion.

Please forgive me if this was OT…it just needed to be said. God Bless you Bill, and your friend as well. :signofcross:
 
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