If something was morally fine when the Church was at the apex of power then why would it be bad now?
No not really, the Church in the Catechism uses terms such as homosexual tendencies and homosexual inclination to refer to what some Catholics call same sex attraction, in Latin they use homosexualitas.
I did not. I stated that BEING homosexual is not wrong. I stated nothing in that original post that said being in a homosexual relationship is okay.
When did the Church teach same sex attraction was a sin?
Oh really? Is it impossible to word things with respect? Read what she wrote. Not hard to re-write that in terms that could get the point across but also steer him in the right direction.
I appreciate it. This forum isn’t for me though. I’m not a fan of being attacked on the internet, no matter what the poster’s intent was. Not the way I’ve been raised to speak, and certainly not the “Catholic” way.Andrew,
Sometimes wording can be confusing. What others are trying to say that the sexual act out of marriage is not allowed, whether the couple is gay or straight.
A friendship may be called by definition a type of elationship, but when most adults use the phrase “I am in a relationship” then do not mean “I have a friendship with someone” – otherwise they would say “this is my friend”. The implication of the word “relationship” implies intimacy.
If you look at the OP it was concerning a specific situation. A gay child is coming home for Christmas with a significant other and about the two sharing a room. The consensus is that the parents have a right in their home to set the rules and that if they do not allow couples (either straight or gay) who are unmarried to share a bedroom they must communicate this to the couple and stand by their moral principles
By your own admission you are 16 and don’t have much knowledge on the subject. Nothing wrong with that. But as a priest once said to me, “God gave us two ears and one mouth for a reason” Think of your fingers typing on the keyboard as your online “mouth”. In other words, think and pause before opening your “mouth”.
Does this mean you should never challenge or ask questions? Of course not – but there are ways to ask and challenge and *accept *the feedback you receive. There are primarily adults on this board and if you are going to participate then you need to think about how you are presenting yourself when you say things like “I don’t know your age, and I don’t care to your know age” Frankly, you sounded like a smart-mouth rather than a person honestly seeking clarification. Is everyone on this forum perfect? No, of course not – but most try to be civil to one another.
Ask yourself, who would you want to spend time with online or in person - a smart mouth or a person seeking clarification?
BTW, being 16 is not an excuse
With attempt to be charitable,
Coachdennis
And the use of those particular words in those particular documents is not intended to be limiting.
I note that when an argument arises over this one particular topic the issue is mostly not addressed but the argument turns to “tone”. Why not stop complaining about this tone or that tone and simply stick to the argument?
The argument is not separate from the faith. Too often we are quick to claim offense.
Andrew,
In my opinion, once you’ve told the child (who is an adult by the way) what you think, then it’s time to back down. As for it being about their immortal soul, you are not going to be saving their immortal soul by making them get a hotel or separate rooms. They’re going right back to it once they leave anyway.
Because times change. This isn’t a matter of changing doctrine, but a change of what’s socially acceptable.
Why did it cause a rift?Back to what this thread was initially about…
In my opinion, once you’ve told the child (who is an adult by the way) what you think, then it’s time to back down. As for it being about their immortal soul, you are not going to be saving their immortal soul by making them get a hotel or separate rooms. They’re going right back to it once they leave anyway.
I now wish I had never followed people’s advice online when I told my daughter and her boyfriend they had to have separate rooms at our house (even though they live together otherwise). It caused a rift in our relationship that has been there ever since. I wish I had just told her what I thought was right/wrong and let it go at that. As adults, we have to let our children make their decisions. You can’t force them to live by your morals, or even God’s morals. They have to make that choice. To force them, as someone else stated, may damage the relationship forever. Even if you say it is out of respect for you, they are still your children and will not see it that way.
Guess we all have to decide what works best for us and for our own children.
Because I was trying to tell her what to do and it was not my usual character. She was offended (yes, she has very strong opinions). We’ve talked about it since but things are not the same. The relationship is not broken, just not the same.
begone, troll.
Yes, because “backing down” is one of the precepts of the Church. Oh wait, no isn’t. In fact, you are completely wrong.
You don’t quite get what a “soul” is, do ya? In point of fact, the not allowing the homo-abuse in his home is one way the OP saves his OWN soul. The speaking out, consistently and firmly with parental authority against the homo-abuse is how he attempts to save the child’s soul by working upon the child’s conscience…
Some folks are just mellower about these issues, I guess. I can see both sides of it, honestly. And a whole lot depends on how the message is delivered. Sometimes, it’s hard to lay down the rules of the house and say that unmarried couples need to sleep apart, without making it sound like you disapprove of them sleeping together anywhere else. The latter is a deeper judgment about someone’s life choices, and that certainly has the potential to rub people the wrong way.
Well clearly if you want them to sleep apart in your home you disapprove of them sleeping together anywhere.
Ah, this is why I love ModernAmericanAnswers.com and the AmericanAnswers Forums. Great place to get advice. Especially for Americans.
