Deals with the Devil?

[BrooklynBoy200]

Was reading some Ghost Rider the other day, and some questions came to mind:

1. Does the church teach that Satan and other demons can be summoned physically by occult practices?
2. Is it possible to sell your soul to Satan in return for something?

 

[FiremanFrank]

Was reading some Ghost Rider the other day, and some questions came to mind:

1. Does the church teach that Satan and other demons can be summoned physically by occult practices?
2. Is it possible to sell your soul to Satan in return for something?

The answer to both of your questions is “yes”, but read on.

I’ve read several books/articles from many exorcists (the exorcist of Rome being one of them), and dealing with the occult in any fashion opens the spiritual door to demons.

The exorcists have found this to be a fact. Luckily, many people turn away from such practices after only a short time of experimentation with such things.

But demonic oppression/posession has been documented from such activities. Which is why all the exorcists have warned people not to fool around with such things as palm reading, Ouija Boards, etc. in the first place.

As to “selling your soul to the devil”, this is only partially correct. A person can agree to what he believes is a non-reversible pact with the devil, but that’s what Satan wants you to believe.

Truth is, a soul can always opt for God at any point in his life - up to the time of their death.

The problem is though, the more a person has allowed this to go on, the harder it is for them to get out of it. So, better to not make such a pact in the first place.

Please Note
As awful as demonic oppression/possession is, Satan usually likes to avoid such openly public manifestations so as to keep himself and his activities hidden (aka, the palm reading, Ouija board stuff).

Avoid it all!

 

[BrooklynBoy200]

The answer to both of your questions is “yes”, but read on.

I’ve read several books/articles from many exorcists (the exorcist of Rome being one of them), and dealing with the occult in any fashion opens the spiritual door to demons.

The exorcists have found this to be a fact. Luckily, many people turn away from such practices after only a short time of experimentation with such things.

But demonic oppression/posession has been documented from such activities. Which is why all the exorcists have warned people not to fool around with such things as palm reading, Ouija Boards, etc. in the first place.

As to “selling your soul to the devil”, this is only partially correct. A person can agree to what he believes is a non-reversible pact with the devil, but that’s what Satan wants you to believe.

Truth is, a soul can always opt for God at any point in his life - up to the time of their death.

The problem is though, the more a person has allowed this to go on, the harder it is for them to get out of it. So, better to not make such a pact in the first place.

Please Note
As awful as demonic oppression/possession is, Satan usually likes to avoid such openly public manifestations so as to keep himself and his activities hidden (aka, the palm reading, Ouija board stuff).

Avoid it all!

So your saying an actual demon can appear in a physical form when summoned?
And will Satan actually grant your request if you “sell” your soul to him?

Don’t worry i’m not in any satanist cults or anything, i’m just curious.

 

[FiremanFrank]

So your saying an actual demon can appear in a physical form when summoned?
And will Satan actually grant your request if you “sell” your soul to him?

Don’t worry i’m not in any satanist cults or anything, i’m just curious.

From what I have read, yes, if the person strongly desires such a thing while at the same time rejecting God’s Love and graces, then it could happen.

But Satan usually does not appear under his true form, as that form is hideous beyond all belief.

He might appear as an angel of light, as a deceased relative. Anything but himself.

But know this, and know this well my friend.

Satan is a liar.

He was a liar from the beginning, and he will always be a liar.

So the “request” that he grants the person, in the end, will only cause them even more troubles and heartaches than they had to begin with.

Becuause he’s a liar.

But the important thing to remember is that a person should never even dare to think of making such a pact in the first place.

And that if a poor soul does make that mistake, that they can accept God AT ANY TIME IN THEIR LIFE and then literally tell Satan to go to Hell.

Where he belongs.

 

[littleone]

So your saying an actual demon can appear in a physical form when summoned?
And will Satan actually grant your request if you “sell” your soul to him?

***Don’t worry i’m not in any satanist cults or anything, i’m just curious./***QUOTE] Thats what satan starts us off with

A part of my wife and my ministry is related to these demons and spirits you seem fasinated with. I will tell you this now, it is satan who puts these thoughts on our mind. Neither my wife or I wanted to have anything to do with the occult. It is Our Lords doing.

I will strongly suggest that you leave it alone. If God wishes you to have anything at all in any form to do with occult He alone will tell you. Just your thinking about the subject and the fact that you have asked the kind of questions you have, tell me that you have been put to the test and I would tell you right now to see a priest tell him of the thoughts you have on your mind and any other that you have not mentioned here.

I have seen people whose bodies have become disfigured to the point where they walk like animals people who make sounds like animals. All of these because someone related in some way to them has been tempted to muck around with witchcraft, black magic, satanism, ueji boards and other.
Leave them alone don’t ask these questions unless you have the guidance of your priest. This applys to all who think they might be interested. Satan starts us off slightly with a small thought of interest.
God bless
littleone.

 

[FiremanFrank]

BrooklynBoy200;1863515:

So your saying an actual demon can appear in a physical form when summoned?
And will Satan actually grant your request if you “sell” your soul to him?

Don’t worry i’m not in any satanist cults or anything, i’m just curious./

QUOTE] Thats what satan starts us off with

A part of my wife and my ministry is related to these demons and spirits you seem fasinated with. I will tell you this now, it is satan who puts these thoughts on our mind. Neither my wife or I wanted to have anything to do with the occult. It is Our Lords doing.

I will strongly suggest that you leave it alone. If God wishes you to have anything at all in any form to do with occult He alone will tell you. Just your thinking about the subject and the fact that you have asked the kind of questions you have, tell me that you have been put to the test and I would tell you right now to see a priest tell him of the thoughts you have on your mind and any other that you have not mentioned here.

I have seen people whose bodies have become disfigured to the point where they walk like animals people who make sounds like animals. All of these because someone related in some way to them has been tempted to muck around with witchcraft, black magic, satanism, ueji boards and other.
Leave them alone don’t ask these questions unless you have the guidance of your priest. This applys to all who think they might be interested. Satan starts us off slightly with a small thought of interest.
God bless
littleone.

I strongly disagree with you littleone.

Who says that brooklynboy is fascinated with this?

He is just asking questions. There is nothing wrong with that. As Chrsitians, we must always give an answer to our faith, and part of our faith is to know/learn about our enemy.

Ignorance of such things is just as dangerous as dwelling out it too much.

A proper balance is called for, and so far, I see no such pre-occupation here with evil on b/b’s part.

There are several good books/video tapes on the subject, written by the exorcists themselves. And they did that for a reason. To educate the public about the reality of evil and Satan.

A proper study of God can not exclude a knowledge of Satan, of whom Jesus Christ Himself spoke of and warned about.

Otherwise, if we don’t talk/learn about the devil once in a while … then he has already partially succeeded in what he wants.

That is, he wishes no one to believe that he even exists in the first place.

If Jesus spoke about him and warned us of him, then we need to take heed of that fact and educate ourselves in spiritual warfare.

And part of that spiritual warfare is to know how the devil operates.

That is where the books and videotapes by bonafide exorcist priests of the Catholic Church come in. They are the experts, and we need to learn from what they have experienced.

It’s all part of the package of being a good Christian.

 

[littleone]

littleone;1864201:

I strongly disagree with you littleone.

Who says that brooklynboy is fascinated with this?

As Chrsitians, we must always give an answer to our faith, and part of our faith is to know/learn about our enemy.

Ignorance of such things is just as dangerous as dwelling out it too much.

A proper balance is called for, and so far, I see no such pre-occupation here with evil on b/b’s part.

There are several good books/video tapes on the subject, written by the exorcists themselves. And they did that for a reason. To educate the public about the reality of evil and Satan.

A proper study of God can not exclude a knowledge of Satan, of whom Jesus Christ Himself spoke of and warned about.

Otherwise, if we don’t talk/learn about the devil once in a while … then he has already partially succeeded in what he wants.

That is, he wishes no one to believe that he even exists in the first place.

If Jesus spoke about him and warned us of him, then we need to take heed of that fact and educate ourselves in spiritual warfare.

And part of that spiritual warfare is to know how the devil operates.

That is where the books and videotapes by bonafide exorcist priests of the Catholic Church come in. They are the experts, and we need to learn from what they have experienced.

It’s all part of the package of being a good Christian.

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You know that this could go on for ever’
I could ask also who says that he is not facinated, has the spirit told you? If you started of by saying I believe the Holy Spirit is telling me that you are in err, aha! then I would realize that you are being guided to correct me.

He is just asking questions can be positive it can also be that little flicker of light, to start something bigger than is controlable at this present time. The thought in me though, is one of caution, maybe the spirit is telling me that there seems to be an underlying element here, and that is why I cautioned him. Not to put him off but to make sure that the information he gained was with guidance, probably at a level he could take in at this time, and then to guide him onto reading and watching material.

However on the side of God wanting people to gain knowledge I agree 200% and I often share with youth I work with about satan music art sport and religion where satan has tampered with teachings. I am not saying you are wrong I agree but look at what I am suggesting in Brookline new study, it is a caution.
I believe that the interaction between you and I right now is very productive in this study, because we are not taking anything sitting down. We want the best outcome.

God bless
littleone

 

[BrooklynBoy200]

FiremanFrank;1864231:

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You know that this could go on for ever’
I could ask also who says that he is not facinated, has the spirit told you? If you started of by saying I believe the Holy Spirit is telling me that you are in err, aha! then I would realize that you are being guided to correct me.

He is just asking questions can be positive it can also be that little flicker of light, to start something bigger than is controlable at this present time. The thought in me though, is one of caution, maybe the spirit is telling me that there seems to be an underlying element here, and that is why I cautioned him. Not to put him off but to make sure that the information he gained was with guidance, probably at a level he could take in at this time, and then to guide him onto reading and watching material.

However on the side of God wanting people to gain knowledge I agree 200% and I often share with youth I work with about satan music art sport and religion where satan has tampered with teachings. I am not saying you are wrong I agree but look at what I am suggesting in Brookline new study, it is a caution.
I believe that the interaction between you and I right now is very productive in this study, because we are not taking anything sitting down. We want the best outcome.

God bless
littleone

I’m not fascinated with the occult or connected to it in any way, just say something like that in a comic book and was wondering if we believed that could happen or not.

 

[FiremanFrank]

FiremanFrank;1864231:

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You know that this could go on for ever’
I could ask also who says that he is not facinated, has the spirit told you? If you started of by saying I believe the Holy Spirit is telling me that you are in err, aha! then I would realize that you are being guided to correct me.

He is just asking questions can be positive it can also be that little flicker of light, to start something bigger than is controlable at this present time. The thought in me though, is one of caution, maybe the spirit is telling me that there seems to be an underlying element here, and that is why I cautioned him. Not to put him off but to make sure that the information he gained was with guidance, probably at a level he could take in at this time, and then to guide him onto reading and watching material.

However on the side of God wanting people to gain knowledge I agree 200% and I often share with youth I work with about satan music art sport and religion where satan has tampered with teachings. I am not saying you are wrong I agree but look at what I am suggesting in Brookline new study, it is a caution.
I believe that the interaction between you and I right now is very productive in this study, because we are not taking anything sitting down. We want the best outcome.

God bless
littleone

Littleone,

I am not a saint, and thus do not have the gift that some of the saints have - that of reading souls.

Therefore, being without such gifts, I have to rely on what I read and common sense.

Using those tools, I have seen nothing odd here so far in his questioning.

Thus, it is my Christian duty to answer those questions regarding my faith.

And my faith includes the working’s of the Church, which therefore includes exorcisms.

“Feelings” are irrelevant to me, as these are often driven by mere emotions … and not Truth.

And so, I have done my duty before God.

PEACE

 

[littleone]

littleone;1864258:

I’m not fascinated with the occult or connected to it in any way, just say something like that in a comic book and was wondering if we believed that could happen or not.

Thank you for that point Brooknboy, God bless.
You know satan is behind a huge number of those who write these comics. This is a time where satan has been loosed for the mighty time of Jesus coming again.
So, we will see such things as satan coming into the midst of us, but at times it will be in the form of materialising in front of us and at times in the form of some other person.
The main point here is though that Satan CANNOT do anything that God does not allow. Seem strange? Yes it can be daunting, but look at the book of Job and you will see that it is written in scripture as to why God allows these things to happen.
This world is flesh and blood so it can not be as God would like since the fall of Adam and Eve , that is , until the time when Jesus comes again to take over all there is and the unfolding of God’s wish will be accomplished.
Don’t be afraid, God has given us, we His children power over satan. Read Galatians 5:22 it speaks about the gifts of the spirit of GOD. In these comics and in satanic groups they have no power as strong as that of the Holy Spirit of God. Read (if you wish) 1 Corinthians 12 about the best way to go and then 1 Corinthians 13 about the only gifts that will live on and the only one that will live for ever.

You can have these gifts, that is why God speaks about then in the Bible because they are our combat against satan. If you read Ephesians 6: 10-20 you will read how we are to dress each day putting on the armour of God against satan.

Remember Jesus has already won the battle on the cross, but the war goes on in this world in our minds especially. But we are never given more than we can take, and Jesus has already gone n before us to prepare the way and He WILL speak to us if we wish to speak to Him. Don’t be afraid of speaking to

Jesus either He is our God He made us to His own likeness, wouldn’t God want us to speak to Him, so therefore wouldn’t He want us to hear Him speaking to us? You can question me any time you wish, all answers are in the bible and guided through the Holy Spirit.
Well God bless

littleone

 

[BrooklynBoy200]

Satan is a liar.

He was a liar from the beginning, and he will always be a liar.

So the “request” that he grants the person, in the end, will only cause them even more troubles and heartaches than they had to begin with.

Becuause he’s a liar.

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In the comic the guy sells his soul so that his stepfather wouldn’t die of cancer. His stepfather’s cancer is cured, but the next day he dies in a motorcycle accident.

you mean like that?

 

[littleone]

In the comic the guy sells his soul so that his stepfather wouldn’t die of cancer. His stepfather’s cancer is cured, but the next day he dies in a motorcycle accident.

you mean like that?

It can happen like that, and do you remember the film crossroads in that one of the people sold their heart to the devil. there are a large number of musicians ho do sell their soul to the devil, but the devil is a liar and will deceive and will lead us astray and will offer people whaat seems good but is material. Remember how satan tried to lead Jesus astray, it’s the same for us. Remember Jesus words to satan in response they are the same for us to use.

By the way what is St Anthony to you ? He is my patron saint and has helped me in the past.

God bless
littleone

 

[BrooklynBoy200]

By the way what is St Anthony to you ? He is my patron saint and has helped me in the past.

God bless
littleone

We share a name so he was always my favorite saint.He has helped me a lot too. I don’t know if he is my patron saint…how does a saint become someone’s patron?

 

[mdgspencer]

I don’t remember ever hearing about a case where someone sold his soul to the devil, whether managing to summon his physical presence or not. I wonder if anyone here actually knows of such a case, which he can verify?
I think it theoretically possible for such a thing to happen, though I don’t trust a liar myself.

 

[Hastrman]

…managing to summon his physical presence or not.

The devil, by definition, has no physical presence. As a pure spirit, he can only be said to be present where he acts.

Actually, real diabolism is more of an implied than a formal contract. It consists in doing the vilest thing one can, thereby achieving power–it’s a type of sacrifice, only what you’re sacrificing is goodness.

 

[littleone]

We share a name so he was always my favorite saint.He has helped me a lot too. I don’t know if he is my patron saint…how does a saint become someone’s patron?

Hi Brooklynboy
In New Zealand where I live, soon after we are born about two or three months we are baptised ( I think this is universal) but the name that was given me was Anthony after St Anthony, the patron saint of finding things that are lost.

Baptismal name and in some cases all names some children are given can be ones chosen by God. The Bible tells us that John was given a name by God; I know that there was an argument by my parents when I was born because one wanted me to be named after an uncle since I was born on the anniversary of his death.
However mum wanted me to be called Wayne which she said means “little one” in Irish. Now in my way of living I am lead to follow and live the “little way of St Therese of the child Jesus, the little flower. So I have learned that God has His ways for His purpose.

Again at confirmation I was given the Martin after St Martin since I had a near death situation and was revived. St Martin the patron St of the sick.
I hope that that helps.
God bless
littleone

 

[BrooklynBoy200]

I was given anthony after my dad, whose name is anthony. Does that mean St. Anthony isn’t my patron saint? And my dad’s family was methodist, so he didn’t get the name because of the saint. And i don’t remember ever getting any name at my confirmation. Are you allowed to just choose a patron saint on your own? Plus, i heard if you like become a cop, then Saint Michael is automaticaly your patron saint. True?

 

[Hastrman]

I was given anthony after my dad, whose name is anthony. Does that mean St. Anthony isn’t my patron saint? And my dad’s family was methodist, so he didn’t get the name because of the saint.

Christians named Anthony are, ultimately, named after the saint–they’re not named after Marcus Antonius, are they?

Being named after your father just makes you what Cajuns call tocailles, people who share a first name and therefore a patron saint.

 

[littleone]

I was given anthony after my dad, whose name is anthony. Does that mean St. Anthony isn’t my patron saint? And my dad’s family was methodist, so he didn’t get the name because of the saint. And i don’t remember ever getting any name at my confirmation. Are you allowed to just choose a patron saint on your own? Plus, i heard if you like become a cop, then Saint Michael is automaticaly your patron saint. True?

No person could tell if God had anything to do with your being named Anthony but it could be. I would say just cherish the name.It does not meen that God can not use Catholic saints even when following Jesus in some other religion. It is where the heart is that God looks at.
You could ask the biship if you can add a saints name if you wish, but think of the name you would want and why?

God bless
littleone.

 

[Mintaka]

Well, actually it’s as likely to be from St. Anthony of Egypt as St. Anthony of Padua. “Anthony” means something like “immortal”, so it’s a fitting Christian name.

Most people have several patron saints: their name saints, thei saint of their Confirmation name, the saint of their birthday, their parish’s patron saint, their profession’s patron saint, etc, etc.
Many people also feel a special relationship with a saint whom they just like or learn stuff from.