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Adding, God came to flesh and taught for 3 years His Apostles.
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Why for three years.Where was he before and after these three years.Was he afraid of the Jews and could not face them, in my opinion?

Jesus was a couragious man in my opinion, and at least after the event of crucifixion, he lived peacefully and happily among the Jews, not in Judea, but in India and the neighboring countries were most of the lost 10 out of 12 tribes of Isael resided, in my opinion.

I love Jesus and Muhammad

Thanks
 
I think it’s kind of sad the sort of mythology which has crept up around the life of Jesus, so that his followers are completely brainwashed away from sense.

And then to try to convince me that the Qur’an is… I don’t even know what she’s trying to convince me, since she doesn’t know anything about the Qur’an in the first place. Ah well.
 
The myths of Jesus seem to be coming more from the muslims than the Christians on this site. Paarsurrey keeps saying Jesus was in India - hey, you know that the Mormons say that Jesus also went to the Americas. So, you guys can be happy in your myths. 🤷

And sister amy and her ‘different’ version of Jesus and the Bible. If she read the Bible like she read the koran - no wonder she doesn’t get it. 🤷 🤷

Of course neither of them can give us the proof that the koran is based on - that the Bible is corrupted. Nor can any other muslim who posts. But, they keep on making up stories about Jesus - too bad their imaginations don’t go wild with mohammed. BUt, maybe that is a self-preserving act - to not go wild with all the atrocities that mohammed did.

Anyway, I wanted to post this to show who wrote what book in each Old and New Testaments.

Old Testament

New Testament
 
Hi

Why for three years.Where was he before and after these three years.Was he afraid of the Jews and could not face them, in my opinion?

Jesus was a couragious man in my opinion, and at least after the event of crucifixion, he lived peacefully and happily among the Jews, not in Judea, but in India and the neighboring countries were most of the lost 10 out of 12 tribes of Isael resided, in my opinion.

I love Jesus and Muhammad

Thanks
Ahh, so you noticed it was three years. 👍
And the number is very significant.
For He is of the Trinity. You will find a few numbers used often in the Bible.
Three is one of the absolute most used.
Twelve is also often used.
Seven also.

Anyway - the fact is - Jesus did everything in triplicate because altho He is One God, He is One of Three of the One God.

SO that should answer you. It had nothing to do with fear. His life and the number three often signify the coming revelation of the Trinity.

I realise this is your opinion Pear, but history, archeology and even secular writers shortly after the time of Christ all back up that Jesus lived and died on the crucifix.

You will not find a writing about Jesus in India, or any other ancient writing [outside the Church] unless it is 200 plus years later - which we call gnostic. Gnostic writers created their own style of borrowed Christianity [gnostic means hidden secrets - much like what we call fiction] …but the period the writings existed are too late for them to be even slightly credible considering all other writings dated perfectly to His time - said He died on the crucifix.

Perhaps if you were to read an account from Josephus the account he gave sometime after the death of Jesus, and he himself was not a Christian.

Christ :: CNAApologetics: The Real Jesus

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Flavius Josephus, who lived until 98 A.D., was a romanized Jewish historian. He wrote books on Jewish history for the Roman people. In his book, Jewish Antiquities, he made references to Jesus. In one reference he wrote:

About this time arose Jesus, a wise man, who did good deeds and whose virtues were recognized. And many Jews and people of other nations became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. However, those who became his disciples preached his doctrine. They related that he had appeared to them three days after his crucifixion and that he was alive. Perhaps he was the Messiah in connection with whom the prophets foretold wonders. [Josephus, Jewish Antiquities, XVIII 3.2]
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Muhammad lived during the time of the Nestorians…and he did befriend Christians in Medina before he was ‘pushed out.’
However; the ‘Christians’ he consorted with were heretics and their own theology [removed from the norm] died away.

BUT Muhammad runs a close theology to their own - but i think he took what he learned from them and recreated his own stuff…as to show he was ‘given’ the truth and unlike the Nestorians who died away - he would not invoke the same heresies so as not to be aligned with them.
I think it’s kind of sad the sort of mythology which has crept up around the life of Jesus, so that his followers are completely brainwashed away from sense.

And then to try to convince me that the Qur’an is… I don’t even know what she’s trying to convince me, since she doesn’t know anything about the Qur’an in the first place. Ah well.
It makes more sense that our God - who even Muslims recognise we were removed from Heaven and God, would come and sacrifice Himself for our sake to open Heaven back up to sinners - and some debt was paid for our choice to accept sin…

You couldn’t possibly think God would seperate us and then say ‘O well, come on back, I was kidding when I made you flesh and let you die a mortal death.’

Than to believe God wrote the Quran and only one man was handed the Quran without so much as an explanation of what it meant…and yet without fail knew what it meant. That’s really amazingly god like. Could you understand the Quran if an Angel gave it to you without reading it and explaining it?

IF Muhammad didnt write it - then how come he understood it so perfectly?

Even Jesus commented ‘Let those who have eyes see, and those who have ears hear…’

He was referring to those who could ‘see’ the prophecies unfolding of the OT pointing to Him for their eventual conversion after His resurrection.
And yet He concealed Who He was so that He would be crucified.

AS He told Pilate . …

John 18
36 Jesus answered: My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would certainly strive that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now my kingdom is not from hence.

One other thing i noted - Jesus never said ‘Allah’…
He said ‘Abba’ and He said ‘Yahweh’ but never said ‘Allah’…
 
Scientists have discovered that mankind has derived from dirt.
I read about this study, which prooves what Moses wrote.

But reading what Muhammad was told-

At some point Muhammad adopted the practice of meditating alone for several weeks every year in a cave on Mount Hira near Mecca.[51][52] Islamic tradition holds that in one of his visits to the Mount Hira, the angel Gabriel began communicating with him here in the year 610 and commanded Muhammad to recite the following verses:[53]Proclaim! (or read!) in the name of thy Lord and Cherisher, Who created- Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood: Proclaim! And thy Lord is Most Bountiful,- He Who taught (the use of) the pen,- Taught man that which he knew not.(Qur’an 96:1-5)

Shia tradition on the other hand maintains that Muhammad was neither surprised nor frightened at the appearance of Gabriel but rather welcomed him as if he had been expecting him.

According to Welch these revelations were accompanied by mysterious seizures, and the reports are unlikely to have been forged by later Muslims.[21] Muhammad was confident that he could distinguish his own thoughts from these messages.[57]

SINCE his ‘prophecy’ had not been prooven true [that we came from a blood clot] - it should be assumed he did not see an Angel.

BUT I do believe this…

I believe Muhammad believes he saw an Angel.
I believe Muhammad also thot he heard messages from God and that he was correct in his opinions and that as time went on he became more reckless …

But i believe most - is that if Muhammad lived today - science could proove he was possibly schitzophrenic.
I say this because he shows the attributes to that disease.
Which are:
Hearing from God - or an Angel.
Being led to do violent things.
Seizures.
Having a sense of power.
Opposing feelings conflicted inside himself. [was he good or not]

I am sure he would have been a text book case.
So i do believe Muhammad believed what happened to him was from God. But most schitzophrenics do. And altho a human cannot help that chemical problem inside their brain, what they live they actually do believe.

But as i said… science has finally concluded we derived from dirt. Which in the Bible - it says we did. In the Quran it says a blood clot.🤷
 
I’m not sure we are friends but I will respond anyway.

My view about God’s Scriptures is that they should be written by God, and not by countless of anonymous human beings over centuries. But that they should be written by God.

Otherwise, how can anyone claim they are God’s Scriptures, God’s Words?

For that reason it seems to me that the Bible is very weak in its authenticity, while the Qur’an is very strong, as we know it to be a transmission from God, to the Angel Gabriel, to the Prophet Muhammad, to mankind, and since then perfectly preserved.
God’s scriptures definitely cannot be based on self-claim too. Taking your definition for granted, Joseph Smith from Mormonism really fit your criteria. In that case, you must believe in him too.
 
But as i said… science has finally concluded we derived from dirt. Which in the Bible - it says we did. In the Quran it says a blood clot.🤷
Sorry I just quote your posting partially for space saving.

The next answer I expect is that they claim that your version of Quran is wrong. After reading so many posting, I got a conclusion that the correct version of Quran, is whatever they agree with.
 
Sorry I just quote your posting partially for space saving.

The next answer I expect is that they claim that your version of Quran is wrong. After reading so many posting, I got a conclusion that the correct version of Quran, is whatever they agree with.
Probably true.

But for the most part - I quoted a scholar. A scholar most likely a Muslim.

Science has since found that when a baby is forming - it is in the shape of a baby ever so small… and the old falsehood spread by some such doctor seems to be a showcase for Muhammad’s prophecy.
http://www.islam-guide.com/aqwas-ys.jpg We created man from an extract of clay. Then We made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed. Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech, suspended thing, and blood clot), then We made the alaqah into a mudghah (chewed substance)… http://www.islam-guide.com/aqwas-ym.jpg1 (Quran, 23:12-14)
http://www.islam-guide.com/frm-ch1-1-a.htm

Anyone can create an entire idea or bend an idea to fit what he said.

babycenter.com/pregnancy-fetal-development-index
What a baby looks like in comparison.

I see them differently [in the more ‘developed’ parts] - but the one pic looks really off in the first link. The ‘chewed substance’ doesnt seem right. It doesnt look that way in the other set of pics [who are not out to proove something looks like chewing gum.*
 
**In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful
**

Salaam/ Peace

with the earthy father of your God , with God’s another son David (p) , the wise man ever Solomon (p) & Prophets Abraham (p) & Moses (p) ?
Anybody can claim to be the Son of God in the US here in 21st century, and he would not go to jail. The US has the guaranteed freedom of speech you know. Gaining followers is quite another issue.
 
** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **

Salaam/ Peace
Anybody can claim to be the Son of God in the US here in 21st century, and he would not go to jail. .
who is talking about God’s son in 21st Century ? In Bible , David (p) is mentioned as son of God . To cut the private parts of dead soldiers , to kill husband of a married woman , to take young virgin at death bed etc etc , God’s this son could be sent in Jail with the last Prophet (p) .
 
There’s something catchy about the title of this thread, even though it’s a little weird.

Dear Muslim friends…

Heh.

I say…

My dear, beloved Muslim brothers and sisters –

Let us unite under the banner of Islam.

It seems kind of appropriate…

But saying “Dear Muslim friends, let me tell you how stupid your religion is…” I dunno. Seems like kind of a joke, doesn’t it?
 
There’s something catchy about the title of this thread, even though it’s a little weird.

Dear Muslim friends…

Heh.

I say…

My dear, beloved Muslim brothers and sisters –

Let us unite under the banner of Islam.

It seems kind of appropriate…

But saying “Dear Muslim friends, let me tell you how stupid your religion is…” I dunno. Seems like kind of a joke, doesn’t it?
Not anymore stupid than muslims telling us how peaceful they are and not telling us that their koran tells them to kill, convert or subjugate us and to use any tactic/strategy that they can think of to achieve that goal.
 
Jesus was a couragious man in my opinion, and at least after the event of crucifixion, he lived peacefully and happily among the Jews, not in Judea, but in India and the neighboring countries were most of the lost 10 out of 12 tribes of Isael resided, in my opinion.

I love Jesus and Muhammad

Thanks
How you can call Jesus courageous if he left his follower facing death, and he went away having kamasutra in India.
 
** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **

Salaam/ Peace

who is talking about God’s son in 21st Century ? In Bible , David (p) is mentioned as son of God . To cut the private parts of dead soldiers , to kill husband of a married woman , to take young virgin at death bed etc etc , God’s this son could be sent in Jail with the last Prophet (p) .
Oh yes, you are correct. Salomon and any others having more than one wife is illegal. The second marriage until the last is void, and unprotected by the law, but they can’t go to jail unless the woman proves that she was forced against her/their own will. David arranging the death of his own soldier will make him go to the court martial, or an impeachment.

For sure, the one declaring himself as a prophet or even son of God will not go to jail because of that. But, for the one claiming to be a prophet, and ordering others to kill the unbeliever will surely go to jail.

Therefore, I call Muhammad is lucky to live in Arabia in year 600’s, not in the US in the 21st century. What is wrong with that?
 
** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **

Salaam/ Peace
… Salomon and any others having more than one wife is illegal. … David arranging the death of his own soldier will make him go to the court martial, or an impeachment.
Is this really the teaching of Jesus (p) to degrade all the OT figures and others & worship Jesus (p) only ? Please , think about this – how Christians show disrespect to God’s chosen people . Do all Christians think like because their Churches tell them so ?
 
** Is this really the teaching of Jesus (p) to degrade all the OT figures and others & worship Jesus (p) only ? Please , think about this – how Christians show disrespect to God’s chosen people . Do all Christians think like because their Churches tell them so ?**

How is speaking objectively about the lives of people in the OT degrading? What did I miss?
 
** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **

Salaam/ Peace

Is this really the teaching of Jesus (p) to degrade all the OT figures and others & worship Jesus (p) only ? Please , think about this – how Christians show disrespect to God’s chosen people . Do all Christians think like because their Churches tell them so ?
Sorry I havent been in.

I am curious why you think Jesus degraded the ancients?

Revelation tells us the Ancients [His friends] are in Heaven.

Also it tells us they slept til He came again [Messiah] to release them.

Neverthless, do you believe in the ancients?
As was already mentioned - the dead sea scrolls were found intact…and so we know in part they existed through out the ages uncorrupted. [history]
And now I am curious what causes you to feel you must defend them.

Jesus never insulted the ancients, altho He had mentioned that Moses allowed them divorce due to their hard hearts but that is not so …for in the beginning there was ONE man and **ONE **woman…and let no one put that asunder. IE - polygamy is not God ordained.

Not to digress, David never said he was perfect - in fact - due to Holy fear - no one ever claimed to be great.

Another problem with Muhammad was when he used his ‘position’ to obtain all favors.

Such as telling the parents of Aisha that God wanted him to marry a 6 year old. :rolleyes:
 
** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **

Salaam/ Peace

Is this really the teaching of Jesus (p) to degrade all the OT figures and others & worship Jesus (p) only ? Please , think about this – how Christians show disrespect to God’s chosen people . Do all Christians think like because their Churches tell them so ?
That is why Jesus came to the world. To bring the NEW TESTAMENT. Jesus want human to go back to the original teaching of God. See Mat 19:8. That shows that Moses were making his own law.

That is why we believe that all humans including the prophets do make sins, except Jesus. And of course, all churches believing the Deity of Jesus believe that Jesus, when he came as human, did not make any sin at all.
 
That is why Jesus came to the world. To bring the NEW TESTAMENT. Jesus want human to go back to the original teaching of God. See Mat 19:8. That shows that Moses were making his own law.

That is why we believe that all humans including the prophets do make sins, except Jesus. And of course, all churches believing the Deity of Jesus believe that Jesus, when he came as human, did not make any sin at all.
I am going to chime in a bit, if you may allow me.

Part of the reason God allowed Moses to put these laws into effect was due to the hardness of men…
And to show for future purpose] that when God sets up a Chair of Authority - that He allows the laws to be bound to. Not at any time prior to His humanity - did He end that Chair’s authority. Correct? [This is why i bring this up]

IE - Moses, like Peter - was given infallible teaching.

SO altho Moses wrote and taught according to the times - and to curry favor with men’s hard hearts so as not to cause them to fall from God…
Jesus came - Who is God and corrected the teachings - while still obtaining that the Chair of Moses [while He was alive] must be observed and obeyed.

SO in essense - it is prophetic to the Chair of Peter in that God will allow and accept the teachings coming from the men He bestowed this favor on.
But furthermore - unlike Moses, Peter was taught by God Himself in person and continuing onwards with that - the Holy Spirit was then sent into the world [and to the choosen men of His ministry] to persevere in His doctrines and teachings - hence Peter’s Chair maintains infallibility.

Its a two fold [as is most with what God did and does] situation.
Because Peter is teaching from God for man and whatsoever he lays down - Heaven both inspired and will accept.
Hence the keys - that only the Pope can open and close.

Not to digress.
But I wanted to show another prophecy unfolding - one that is so nearly hidden - it makes sense when we recognise how Jesus taught but didnt necessarily judge Moses in that regard.

For Moses could not corrupt the Laws of God since he was given that Chair of authority. But unlike Peter who in fact had God - BUT didnt curry favor with men…

I notice however; that Islam curries favor with men and only men. Few women in Islam are happy with being second class but from fear of who they perceive is God do not cry out at the injustices.

I know that is true - because it is opposed to God’s Law that women should NOT be treated the way Islamic women are treated.

God’s Laws were created with LOVE in mind. ONLY love.
For God is love.

Anything that teaches something so stridently cruel or hateful against any human person - IS NOT FROM GOD.

Beating women, Sharia law to murder women or stone them or rape them - ALL oppose God’s Laws and precepts.
To oppose Christianity is to oppose the essense of God which is LOVE.

To love another is to NEVER hurt them. Not to strike them in anger - nor ridicule, nor abuse - nor be selfish and getting our own way.

Christianity is supposed to be SELF GIVING.

Sure we arent perfect - but we will answer for lacking love and charity.
BUT these are THE PRINCIPLES of Christ. [Jesus]

SO how could Jesus have gotten it wrong - or humans misunderstand the love we MUST share?
 
In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace
… why you think Jesus degraded the ancients?
I did not say Jesus (pbuh) did it . It’s shocking to know that Jews & Christians believe chosen people of God committed so many major sins. As a Muslim , I was taught to respect all the Prophets , not only Muhammed (pbut). I really don’t get this point – how do u justify that God sent sinners
( except one - whom u think was God Himself ) to teach us about Him.
 
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