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r.gonzales
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although you say you never were, a statement like that definitely sounds like you were shee’ah to me… if so, no wonder you were duped into leaving islam.
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although you say you never were, a statement like that definitely sounds like you were shee’ah to me… if so, no wonder you were duped into leaving islam.
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hawk
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Typical of the (un) saved sect…
why am I not surprised?
No I actually tried shiism before i left islam completely. Im sure to you, shii are kaafir anyway, so i left islam when i became shii.
But I didnt leave islam, Allah caused me to leave it
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Booklover
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You know, the same could be said of you for leaving Christianity!
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Reuben_J
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Alright, Emad, I understand your position on this.
I already accepted that Muslims like you believe that the Bible is false in my earlier post.
Now what come across my mind is, if you believe that Jesus did has a book, at least you should back it with some kind of reference, instead of “because the Quran says so”. If Jesus did not has a book after all, then you have nothing to reject in the first place. It was merely assumption. You see what I mean?
Peace.
Reuben.
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Proud_Kafir
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Something about Quran…
Nobody knows where the original Quran is. The Quran that many muslims have in their hands now is called the Uthman’s Quran, which was collected long after Mohammed’s death. Parts of the original Quran would have been lost, after many of the reciters of the Quran died or were killed in battle. Uthman, the third Caliph (successor of Mohammed) gathered what was left of the Quran, arranged it by length of Surahs rather than chronologically, then burned all other existing copies.
Quran Versions and various mistranslations
answering-islam.org.uk/Quran/Versions/ali.html
The different Arabic Versions of the Quran
answering-islam.org.uk/Green/seven.htm
Textual Variants of the Quran,
answering-islam.org.uk/Quran/Text/index.html
Evidence of Change Before 'Uthman
answering-islam.org.uk/Quran/Text/index.html
Evidence of Change After 'Uthman
answering-islam.org.uk/Quran/Text/index.html
Hadiths which say the Qur’an is incomplete
answering-islam.org.uk/Quran/Text/index.html
Hadiths which refer to lost suras
answering-islam.org.uk/Quran/Text/index.html
Variants which exist in present-day manuscripts
answering-islam.org.uk/Quran/Text/index.html
Fragments of what is believed to be the World’s oldest Quran were discovered in Yemen in 1972. Preliminary examination showed aberrations from the standard Islamic texts used today. Not too surprisingly, the Yemenis won’t allow it to be examined.
cremesti.com/amalid/Islam/Yemeni_Ancient_Koranic_Texts.htm
Those misguided ignorant muslims who blindly believe Quran is uncorrupted, complete show wake up and smell the coffee.
Nobody knows where the original Quran is. The Quran that many muslims have in their hands now is called the Uthman’s Quran, which was collected long after Mohammed’s death. Parts of the original Quran would have been lost, after many of the reciters of the Quran died or were killed in battle. Uthman, the third Caliph (successor of Mohammed) gathered what was left of the Quran, arranged it by length of Surahs rather than chronologically, then burned all other existing copies.
Quran Versions and various mistranslations
answering-islam.org.uk/Quran/Versions/ali.html
The different Arabic Versions of the Quran
answering-islam.org.uk/Green/seven.htm
Textual Variants of the Quran,
answering-islam.org.uk/Quran/Text/index.html
Evidence of Change Before 'Uthman
answering-islam.org.uk/Quran/Text/index.html
Evidence of Change After 'Uthman
answering-islam.org.uk/Quran/Text/index.html
Hadiths which say the Qur’an is incomplete
answering-islam.org.uk/Quran/Text/index.html
Hadiths which refer to lost suras
answering-islam.org.uk/Quran/Text/index.html
Variants which exist in present-day manuscripts
answering-islam.org.uk/Quran/Text/index.html
Fragments of what is believed to be the World’s oldest Quran were discovered in Yemen in 1972. Preliminary examination showed aberrations from the standard Islamic texts used today. Not too surprisingly, the Yemenis won’t allow it to be examined.
cremesti.com/amalid/Islam/Yemeni_Ancient_Koranic_Texts.htm
Those misguided ignorant muslims who blindly believe Quran is uncorrupted, complete show wake up and smell the coffee.
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luvthelight
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i really dont know if im missing something here, but how about instead of looking at each other’s scriptures, just look at historical fact?
there are 1000+ year old manuscripts being discovered in the holy land that match the Jewish translations of the Torah. the Torah (the Hebrew ones in the synoguages anyway) are copied BY HAND in a process that takes YEARS and the job is passed from father to son until the job is completed. it is not something that is hurried. the holy books are copied letter for letter. finally, Jesus, in his teaching quoted parts of the old testament that have not changed.
i do not see when and where the Torah could have been corrupted. it has been lovingly preserved and cared for for thousands of years. and the Jews have done their absolute best to be sure that not one letter is moved out of place, and the dead sea scrolls are saying they did a pretty darn good job of it.
our bibles were also written by hand in the early years and have been EXTREMELY carefully preserved by the church in the 2000 years it has been around. the only ones who corrupted our bible was the protestants.
if i said anything incorrect someone correct me. but for me, my faith lies in the Christ Jesus and His church.
there are 1000+ year old manuscripts being discovered in the holy land that match the Jewish translations of the Torah. the Torah (the Hebrew ones in the synoguages anyway) are copied BY HAND in a process that takes YEARS and the job is passed from father to son until the job is completed. it is not something that is hurried. the holy books are copied letter for letter. finally, Jesus, in his teaching quoted parts of the old testament that have not changed.
i do not see when and where the Torah could have been corrupted. it has been lovingly preserved and cared for for thousands of years. and the Jews have done their absolute best to be sure that not one letter is moved out of place, and the dead sea scrolls are saying they did a pretty darn good job of it.
our bibles were also written by hand in the early years and have been EXTREMELY carefully preserved by the church in the 2000 years it has been around. the only ones who corrupted our bible was the protestants.
if i said anything incorrect someone correct me. but for me, my faith lies in the Christ Jesus and His church.
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Emad
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Reuben J:
Yes I do see what you mean, however like I told you earlier I am not here to discuss the authenticity and history of the Bible. I am simply trying to show you what we believe about it. I will leave the rest to a Muslim who is more knowledgable than me in regards to the Bible.
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Emad
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PK nice source. 
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selvaraj
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Surat-u Ali-Imran (3):4 Those who reject the Book(Bible) and the (revelations) with which We sent Our apostles: but soon shall they know, - when the yokes (shall be) round their necks, and the chains; they shall be dragged along in the boiling fetid fluid; then in the Fire shall they be burned.
Surat-ul Mumin (40):70-72
answering-islam.org.uk/Morin/replace.html
In Christ,
selvaraj
Surat-ul Mumin (40):70-72
answering-islam.org.uk/Morin/replace.html
In Christ,
selvaraj
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Emad
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I have absolutely no idea why you posted the above verse. Also your source is nothing but a garbage. If you want to learn about true Islam, visit an Islamic website. I wanted to learn about Cathalocism so I came here, not to answeringcatholics.com or allcatholicsaregoingtohell.com. Common sense my friend, please use it.
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selvaraj
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Yes,
Mr.Emad, all the garbages taken from the Qura`n.
In Christ,
selvaraj
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Emad
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Yes after they are taken out of context, mistranslated and twisted around to fit your whims and desires, your conculsion from the Quran than is garbage.
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hawk
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Sevaraj, please restrain yourself.
I cannot emphasize how horrible we sound when we forget we are Christians.
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Emad
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Don’t worry hawk, unlike him I can tell the difference between the teachings of a religion and peoples actions.
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selvaraj
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My friend this is Yousuf Ali
s translation and it is in your Quran.Muminun 40:70-72 Those who reject the Book(Bible) and the (revelations) with which We sent Our apostles: but soon shall they know, - when the yokes (shall be) round their necks, and the chains; they shall be dragged along in the boiling fetid fluid; then in the Fire shall they be burned.
In Christ,
selvarj
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Joseph_Alison
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Salaam Friend Salvaraj;
The verse states: "Those who reject the Book(Bible) and the (revelations) with which We sent Our apostles"
We believe Jesus (PBUH) was a prophet and a messenger from Allah (SWT). My question to you is: do you have a book **from **Jesus (PBUH) which we rejected? I will be very glad to see it.
Friend Salvaraj, it is well know that Paul, Mathew, John, Mark, Luke, Peter and all others are not at all mentioned in the Qur’an, leave aside as being apostles from Allah (SWT). Those to whom Allah (SWT) inspired or gave a book are well known and mentioned by name in the Holy Qur’an and no one of those I cited above is mentioned.
Friend Salvaraj, if you can prove that the Bible in its current form is what was given to Jesus (PBUH) from Allah (SWT), then you would disprove the whole religion of Islam. It is foreseeable that some sayings of such an important figure as Jesus (PBUH) would end-up into writings, but even though it is not sure he uttered those exact sayings.
Salaam.
Joseph.
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r.gonzales
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i’m not sure if what is in the brackets is from yusuf ali, or if you added them yourself or if whoever you cut & pasted it from added them, but it’s wrong.
here’s the correct translation and interpretation of this verse, taken from my post in the other thread you started:
40:70-72 those who belied the Book and what We sent Our messengers with, so they will come to know. when the fetters are on their necks and the iron chains are dragged. in the hameem, then in the fire they are heated. meaning: those polytheists who belied the Quran and the named Books that Allah sent down upon His messengers for the people’s guidance, so, those rejectors will come to know the results of their rejection when the fetters are placed on their necks, the iron chains on their legs and the guards of the punishment drag them in the hot water that is severe in its ? and its heat, then in the fire of hell that burns them. (source: tafseer al-muyassar).
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