Dear Protestant: Where Did You Get Your Bible?

[Peter_J]

Bold words!

All the better for getting people to respond.

My two cents.

 

[commenter]

previous poster:
“Obviously protestants got their Bible from the Catholic Church but their pride led to an aberration of God’s Word…same as with JWs and Mormons.”

Bold words! Not very intellectual answer by throwing us in the same box as them. Why not point out the Protestant side of the people praying to the spaghetti monster while you are at it?

I share your frustration. I encourage you to keep focusing on the genuine intellectual answers you occasionally find on CAF, from Catholics, non-Catholic Christians, member of other religions, and those of no religion. I have learned things from people I agree with, and those I disagree with.

 

[Wannano]

previous poster:
“Obviously protestants got their Bible from the Catholic Church but their pride led to an aberration of God’s Word…same as with JWs and Mormons.”

I share your frustration. I encourage you to keep focusing on the genuine intellectual answers you occasionally find on CAF, from Catholics, non-Catholic Christians, member of other religions, and those of no religion. I have learned things from people I agree with, and those I disagree with.

 

[Michael68]

Great article by Steve Ray: catholicconvert.com/

The quick answer:

The Catholic Church officially determined and set the canon of of the New Testament approximately 400 years after Christianity began. The canon was declared by the body of Catholic bishops at the Council of Carthage (397 A.D.) and confirmed by Pope Boniface (419 A.D.).

This is correct, no matter how protestants want to spin it.

 

[MichaelP3]

This is correct, no matter how protestants want to spin it.

That’s firstly assuming Catholic = catholic. Secondly assuming the Bishop of Rome can actually confirm anything. And lastly assuming we deny that except you need to remove your capital C.

 

[mackbrislawn]

Great article by Steve Ray: catholicconvert.com/

The quick answer:

The Catholic Church officially determined and set the canon of of the New Testament approximately 400 years after Christianity began. The canon was declared by the body of Catholic bishops at the Council of Carthage (397 A.D.) and confirmed by Pope Boniface (419 A.D.).

Historically, Protestants obviously got their Bible from the Roman Church. Western Europe had been evangelized by that church, hence the Reformers received their very beliefs in God and Scriptures from the Roman Church, being members of that church. Those beliefs they retained, while rejecting others.

But, if the authority of the Roman Church is questioned, why not question its authority to determine what writings are inspired, that is, what is Bible? The question of the canon is now open.

For example, are the Pauline writings to be considered scripture, to be inspired? The Roman Church is a Pauline church, and there are those, such as the Ebionite-Nazarenes, who think of Paul as a departure from the earliest Jerusalem church, the one founded by Jesus’ own apostles. After all, Paul kind of bullied his way into the apostolic college, and the Nazarenes feel he is a heretic, and Paul is the real founder of what later became known as “Christianity,” which is apostate from of the original teachings of the apostles and Jesus, or Jeshua.

 

[Michael68]

That’s firstly assuming Catholic = catholic. Secondly assuming the Bishop of Rome can actually confirm anything. And lastly assuming we deny that except you need to remove your capital C.

Self Authority, which protestants subscribe to, is not how you got your bible.

 

[Lenten_ashes]

. Secondly assuming the Bishop of Rome can actually confirm anything…

You obviously trust in the Bishop of Rome for your NT.

Good example is the Gospel of Mark. Who wrote it and how do you? Humanely speaking, of course.

Pax

 

[MichaelP3]

Historically, Protestants obviously got their Bible from the Roman Church. Western Europe had been evangelized by that church, hence the Reformers received their very beliefs in God and Scriptures from the Roman Church, being members of that church. Those beliefs they retained, while rejecting others.

But, if the authority of the Roman Church is questioned, why not question its authority to determine what writings are inspired, that is, what is Bible? The question of the canon is now open.

For example, are the Pauline writings to be considered scripture, to be inspired? The Roman Church is a Pauline church, and there are those, such as the Ebionite-Nazarenes, who think of Paul as a departure from the earliest Jerusalem church, the one founded by Jesus’ own apostles. After all, Paul kind of bullied his way into the apostolic college, and the Nazarenes feel he is a heretic, and Paul is the real founder of what later became known as “Christianity,” which is apostate from of the original teachings of the apostles and Jesus, or Jeshua.

I have absolutely no idea what your point is?

 

[MichaelP3]

Self Authority, which protestants subscribe to, is not how you got your bible.

Meaning I think I can decide by my own Authority to kill and its okay? And Catholics say we must get our story straight?

 

[MichaelP3]

You obviously trust in the Bishop of Rome for your NT.

Good example is the Gospel of Mark. Who wrote it and how do you? Humanely speaking, of course.

Pax

Not sure what you mean? From your response it sounds like you say Mark was the Bishop of Rome. I hope that’s not what you meant. Please clarify.

 

[Michael68]

Meaning I think I can decide by my own Authority to kill and its okay? And Catholics say we must get our story straight?

I don’t understand your meaning here.

 

[MichaelP3]

I don’t understand your meaning here.

If we believed in self authority the world would be a dark place. Questioning the magisterium’s authority does not mean applying self authority. Authority is given, it cannot be claimed.

 

[Michael68]

If we believed in self authority the world would be a dark place. Questioning the magisterium’s authority does not mean applying self authority. Authority is given, it cannot be claimed.

How about self interpretation? I have run into many protestants who preach this. They believe they can interpret any way they choose. I call this self authority since this approach recognises no authority in interpreting.

BTW, they are trying to interpret a Catholic book and coming up with some strange things

 

[MarkInOregon]

Great article by Steve Ray: catholicconvert.com/

The quick answer:

The Catholic Church officially determined and set the canon of of the New Testament approximately 400 years after Christianity began. The canon was declared by the body of Catholic bishops at the Council of Carthage (397 A.D.) and confirmed by Pope Boniface (419 A.D.).

I think the book Where We Got the Bible: Our Debt to the Catholic Church by Rt. Rev. Fr. Henry G. Graham does a good job.

The Peace of Christ,
Mark

 

[MichaelP3]

Meaning I think I can decide by my own Authority to kill and its okay? And Catholics say we must get our story straight?

How about self interpretation? I have run into many protestants who preach this. They believe they can interpret any way they choose. I call this self authority since this approach recognises no authority in interpreting.

BTW, they are trying to interpret a Catholic book and coming up with some strange things

Well firstly I am sometimes really concerned when compared to this Protestant just because he is a Protestant.

Interpret any way they choose? So if the Bible says call no man on earth your father we Protestants would probably go against the obvious? No not any way we choose.

Some would say it’s not obvious and need a group of men to discuss a mere sentence for who knows how long in order to defend an already practised act, in order to still claim infallibility.

I really don’t know about self interpretation. Seems like I can throw it back at you by calling it, “us interpretation”.

btw, calling it a Catholic book is an assumption again, let’s rather refrain from that. It’s hard to have a conversation that way.

 

[MarkInOregon]

Yes you are right I made a mistake and should have researched who said it before posting. It doesn’t change what I see there but it will probably get dismissed on that technicality.

No – I think most will chalk it up to the time in which we live – where everyone is offended by everything. In this day and age I’m pretty sure some people are offended by the fact that I breath. In this day and age we are too easily offended–I can’t help but feel that everyone goes around looking for a reason to be offended. Perhaps we all take ourselves too seriously.

The peace of Christ,
Mark

 

[commenter]

No – I think most will chalk it up to the time in which we live – where everyone is offended by everything. In this day and age **I’m pretty sure some people are offended by the fact that I breath. ** In this day and age we are too easily offended–I can’t help but feel that everyone goes around looking for a reason to be offended. Perhaps we all take ourselves too seriously.

The peace of Christ,
Mark

WHAT??!

 

[Michael68]

Well firstly I am sometimes really concerned when compared to this Protestant just because he is a Protestant.

Interpret any way they choose? So if the Bible says call no man on earth your father we Protestants would probably go against the obvious? No not any way we choose.

Some would say it’s not obvious and need a group of men to discuss a mere sentence for who knows how long in order to defend an already practised act, in order to still claim infallibility.

I really don’t know about self interpretation. Seems like I can throw it back at you by calling it, “us interpretation”.

btw, calling it a Catholic book is an assumption again, let’s rather refrain from that. It’s hard to have a conversation that way.

See! Your self interpreting has led you to believe there is no priesthood! What Jesus is saying is call no man on earth your father in heaven.

1 Cor 4:14-15 disagrees with your self interpreting that there is no priesthood considered as fathers.

These are topics for another thread

 

[MichaelP3]

See! Your self interpreting has led you to believe there is no priesthood! What Jesus is saying is call no man on earth your father in heaven.

1 Cor 4:14-15 disagrees with your self interpreting that there is no priesthood considered as fathers.

These are topics for another thread

So you are pointing out a contradiction in the Bible? Oh my. (Referring to father, I see nothing about Priesthood there and please don’t assume my stance on that).