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That’s very witty, LutheranDK.
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Thanks for the link. It was interesting, but it was also a bit confusing. The article stated, “The Mass is the same sacrifice as the sacrifice of the cross because in the Mass the victim is the same, and the principal priest is the same, Jesus Christ.” But then later it said, " The manner in which the sacrifice is offered is different. . . . (a) On the cross Christ was offered in a bloody manner; in the Mass He is offered in an unbloody manner." So if the person and the priest are the same, but the manner is different, then how is that the same sacrifice? I would think that the bloody nature of the sacrifice would be one of the most important parts of the dacrifice, since without the shedding of blood there is no remission. So if a bloodless sacrifice is being offered, then I can’t wrap my mind around the idea that that is the same sacrifice as the sacrifice of the cross…
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OnlyJesus
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Jesus our Lord was not a victim on the cross.
Jesus laid down his life voluntarily for us.
Jesus laid down his life voluntarily for us.
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Hi mommomamats… i take communion in awe of our Lord’s sacrifice and with an humble spirit and reverence for the Lord. There were some in the early church that actually attended to be fed…some even became drunk on the wine…they were chastized for that.
I understand John 6 in a different way.
Jesus said:
48 **I am that bread of life.
49Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. 51 **I am the living bread which came down from heaven: **if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
Bread is PHYSICAL sustenance. Manna is bread from God to the Jews. Jesus said, your fathers did eat manna AND ARE DEAD. It was physical edible bread even from God, though it sustained them it was only temporary because they still died eventually.
52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
**In verse 52, the Jews are taking Jesus claim literally and below Jesus answers their question. **
53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. 54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. 56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. 58 **This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever. **
Jesus used the bread as an example b/c when God sent Manna down to the Jews, it was symbolic of how God would send Jesus Down to us, so Jesus calls himself the Bread of Life. Jesus is our True Manna.
Jesus explains that he is the Bread of Life and is our SPIRITUAL in lieu of physical sustenance.
Food can only sustain us if we eat it. Think of bulimics, they take the food IN, but then they vomit it or reject it or eject it back OUT, so they are not receiving sustenance from their food.
Likewise, in order for Jesus to sustain us spiritually, we must WHOLLY and completely believe and trust in him. He is our everything. He must be our everything. He HAS to become as important to us in our lives as food. Food is one of those things that you have to have over and over to receive any benefit, any sustenance. Most of us eat daily, even 3 to SIX TIMES daily to be sustained. Food is a constant.
Jesus wants to be our Constant. He wants us to live in him, take him into our lives completely. He wants us to be committed to him. He wants us to trust in him LIVE in him not just on certain days of the week or even certain times of the day.
The old Testament said it like this, in all thy ways acknowledge him and He will direct thy paths.
He wants us to remember him which is why the Communion is symbolic.
That Last Supper or the Lord’s Supper that Jesus instituted this, was actually the Jewish Passover. Remember Christ was a Jew and he followed Jewish customs, the Jews being God’s Chosen people.
The Jewish Passover itself was a remembrance God instituted for the Jews to recall and remember each year the Power of God when he lead the Jews out of slavery in Egypt and when God SAVED his people by their BELIEF in following his instructions to smear the blood of a PERFECT LAMB over their door posts…in doing so, when God sent the death Angel to punish Pharoah by the death of Egypt’s firstborn, the Jews firstborn children were spared when the death angel saw that blood. Even that blood is symbolic, just as God passes over punishing us when he sees Christ’s blood covering for our sins. Even that First Passover was symbolic of the first coming of the Perfect Lamb of God, Jesus Christ, Saviour.**
I understand John 6 in a different way.
Jesus said:
48 **I am that bread of life.
49Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. 51 **I am the living bread which came down from heaven: **if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
Bread is PHYSICAL sustenance. Manna is bread from God to the Jews. Jesus said, your fathers did eat manna AND ARE DEAD. It was physical edible bread even from God, though it sustained them it was only temporary because they still died eventually.
52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
**In verse 52, the Jews are taking Jesus claim literally and below Jesus answers their question. **
53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. 54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. 56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. 58 **This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever. **
Jesus used the bread as an example b/c when God sent Manna down to the Jews, it was symbolic of how God would send Jesus Down to us, so Jesus calls himself the Bread of Life. Jesus is our True Manna.
Jesus explains that he is the Bread of Life and is our SPIRITUAL in lieu of physical sustenance.
Food can only sustain us if we eat it. Think of bulimics, they take the food IN, but then they vomit it or reject it or eject it back OUT, so they are not receiving sustenance from their food.
Likewise, in order for Jesus to sustain us spiritually, we must WHOLLY and completely believe and trust in him. He is our everything. He must be our everything. He HAS to become as important to us in our lives as food. Food is one of those things that you have to have over and over to receive any benefit, any sustenance. Most of us eat daily, even 3 to SIX TIMES daily to be sustained. Food is a constant.
Jesus wants to be our Constant. He wants us to live in him, take him into our lives completely. He wants us to be committed to him. He wants us to trust in him LIVE in him not just on certain days of the week or even certain times of the day.
The old Testament said it like this, in all thy ways acknowledge him and He will direct thy paths.
He wants us to remember him which is why the Communion is symbolic.
That Last Supper or the Lord’s Supper that Jesus instituted this, was actually the Jewish Passover. Remember Christ was a Jew and he followed Jewish customs, the Jews being God’s Chosen people.
The Jewish Passover itself was a remembrance God instituted for the Jews to recall and remember each year the Power of God when he lead the Jews out of slavery in Egypt and when God SAVED his people by their BELIEF in following his instructions to smear the blood of a PERFECT LAMB over their door posts…in doing so, when God sent the death Angel to punish Pharoah by the death of Egypt’s firstborn, the Jews firstborn children were spared when the death angel saw that blood. Even that blood is symbolic, just as God passes over punishing us when he sees Christ’s blood covering for our sins. Even that First Passover was symbolic of the first coming of the Perfect Lamb of God, Jesus Christ, Saviour.**
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Peter_J
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True, he answers their question, but not by saying, Hold on don’t it literally.
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Mommomamats
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Yes, Jesus answers their question by confirming that is His flesh is food indeed, and his blood is drink indeed.
Yes, it also foretold of how God would continue to spiritually sustain us and commune with us after the veil had been torn.
John 6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
Yes what you say is true, Christ is my everything, the reason for my hope, He IS my life, and I thank God He has also given us this spiritual food that is Christ himself. Oh the wonderful joy, perfect peace, and strength for carrying on that comes from the Eucharist, my soul had never truly known God before I met Him there.
It breaks my heart that you love Him so and do not know Him in His wonderful gift. Please come and see that Christ is truly there. Go to a Eucharistic Adoration and pray, just ask Him, humbly, Jesus, are you really there? I pray He will show you as He did me, and that it will bring you to your knees.
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Beautiful testimony.
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