Yeah, I ask the same thing. Turn your brain on while watching this video and realize that any negative reaction comes from the personification of an animal so stupid that it will eat and drink its own feces and urine, when it doesn’t have to, if someone doesn’t stop it.
You give me the price difference between free range and non-free range meat and I’ll but the free range. I’m sorry, but I’m out of work and I have a daughter to support and you’re telling me that I should spend extra money to be nice to an animal. If I weren’t in a civil mood I’d tell you where to stick that.
When did God grant you the power to determine what will affect my spiritual growth? Just a little presumptuous don’t you think?
My honest, core reaction to this film is nothing. I really don’t care. Those cows are food and nothing more. I feel no sympathy for an animal that feeds a human.
Drawmack - we’ve saved a lot of money switching to a plant based diet - beans, tofu, nuts for protein - way cheaper than meat. I’d be happy to share some recipes with you if you are interested
Not sure what logical fallacies you are referring to - what I was referring to are people who have an attachment to one animal as a pet, and then don’t make any correlation to the fact that they eat other animals - for example some people learn that in China people eat dog and get very upset (as they eat their hamburger), others are outraged that primates are on the diet of people in some places in Africa (as the enjoy a spare rib barbecue)
OK, let’s examine what was said…
No, there is no way to determine this without mind-reading.
No, you cannot determine this either without mind-reading.
Well at least this isn’t presented as fact, we know it to be pure opinion.
I can see that they are trying to play upon emotions.
It has been my experience that when people lead with their emotions, they usually go in the wrong direction.
I am 199% sure that ALL of the animals in these videos are NOT ACTORS acting out a script to play on your emotions. These videos depict ACTUAL FACTORY FARM and SLAUGHTERHOUSE situations. I encourage everyone to view them sans any commentary, verbal or written, to view the images of these NON ACTOR ANIMALS, and to consider **if these are practices that should continue in our civilized world. **
How can I be sure? Yes, these are real animals. But how do we know the scene is not made specifically for effect on emotion. How do we know the reality of anything in the video?
The thing you’ll notice about animal rights activists is that they rely on emotion and culture. To give you an example of what I mean, let’s fly back to the Roman Empire!I eat meat, but I don’t like watching any animal die. In this video, I’ve seen the cow react how any cow would react in a similar circumstance whether it’s being killed or not. It would have reacted that way if it was just in line for a vaccination (hypothetically of course). Cows are herd animals and follow the herd which is why it actually wanted to go in there at the beginning of the video. When all the cows had gone in and there was no more “herd” to be with, it got scared. That is a normal cow reaction. It may or may not have sensed death, we don’t know. What we do know is what we ourselves think and project into this situation.
Sad? Definitely! But I’d be willing to bet that watching an animal die of normal causes would bring tears to our eyes just as much as this video. The fact that man is the cause of this animal’s death and his seeming detatchment from life does make it much worse to bear, however.
I never understood how a person could care so much about the life of an animal, though and not the life of a plant. It’s like plants are disposable and we can do anything we want with them. Rip them out of the ground, tear them to shreds, eat them right from the ground (you do realize they are still living when you eat a salad or raw veggie, I’m sure) and there is absolutely no concern that we just ended life by eating that.
Perhaps someone could enlighten me on this, because ever since I was young, I have never understood how someone could say that one life is more important than another (regarding the consumption of animals vs plants anyway). Yes, I know originally God created the plants for eating, however we are now fallen and that is not the case anymore, as death entered the world after the fall of man. Since then animal has eaten animal as well as plant.
I do have a health motive here. Whenever I try to go strictly vegetarian, I get very weak and sick and always end up that eating some meat gives me strength. It could be phsycological, and if I was younger and in better health I would probably try going vegetarian again, but I cannot in my current condition.
That all said, this was a horrible video, but I dont’ see any immorality in it, just brutality. But how exactly is one supposed to kill a cow? I’m not very familiar with slaughter techniques myself, so there very well may be a better way, it’s just that I can’t imagine any right now.
As for the camera doesn’t lie - I never believe cameras anymore. They could be tampered with and the sound here after the camera goes black does seem to be overlaid and unnatural after what just happened, since the cow was either unconcious or dead already (we don’t know, they could have injected it with something or painlessly knocked it unconcious before they killed it, since we couldn’t actually see anything but the hooves and the cow falling) and there should have been no sound coming from there, but when the camera went black, you heard very loud “cow scream” noises and loud people, like there was a struggle. Struggle from a dead or unconcious cow? I don’t think so. It seems to me to have been added for effect.
…just another perspecitve from someone who eats meat on occasion, but doesn’t particularly have a preference for it.
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This is my view and hopefully did not come across as uncivil. I just presented my view of what I witnessed and how I interpreted it. Also, I would like an answer to my plant question above, on why plants are so inferior and deserve to die while animals do not. This is not a provocative statement - it is a genuine plea to get a viable answer to what I have wondered about almost my whole life. I have gotten answers from people, but I have never gotten any that I truly understood and made sense to me.
Thanks…
I was a professional chef for 15 year, I know plenty of vegetarian dishes. There is not a ton of meat in my diet, to be completely honest. I buy the meat that’s on sale – for example last week London broil was buy one get one free so I bought two and got four meals worth of meat for about 8 bucks. That’s roughtly 2 dollars for the main course at each meal for two people. That’s pretty cheap, I doubt I could do better with vegetarian dishes.Drawmack - we’ve saved a lot of money switching to a plant based diet - beans, tofu, nuts for protein - way cheaper than meat. I’d be happy to share some recipes with you if you are interested
On the farm, when we were 7 we were given a pig to raise on Easter, this pig was the sole responsibility of the 7 year old. The 7 year old was charged with providing everything this animal needed for it. Then the next year on good Friday the pig was killed and butchered and turned into the Easter ham. You do that and you will know where your food comes from. You do that and you will not hold the types of hypocrisy you mention above.
Ummmm, how is claiming 199% not a purely emotional and emotion grabbing statement? You can’t have more than 100%.
But are they average factory farms and slaughterhouses or are they the worst of the worst. Are you the type of person who never eats in a restaurant again because they’ve seen Hell’s Kitchen and think that all kitchen’s are like that?
I did. I encourage everyone, including you, to research the people who made those documentaries and research the outcomes of those documentaries. The freaking thing started off by telling you the situation is changing, then they showed you the worst of the worst places to illicit an emotional response.
I see poorly operated food growth and processing plants which probably represent 10% of the worst ones.
God gave you your brain, what does critical thought and research tell you about these videos?
I have had that up close, personal, unedited view and I’m telling you that these films are completely twisted. They do not represent the reality of what happens at these places. Just think about it logically for a second. If someone raises chickens for money. If someone makes their money by selling live chickens to slaughter houses. Do you really think they are going to have dead and contagious chickens all over their facility? I’m sure the guy in the video was being honest – at 1 facility. But pure logic tells you that people who make money off of healthy, live chickens are not going to keep dead and diseased ones around so that the death and disease can proliferate and shrink their earnings.
No, but it does explain why they are showing an extremely slanted version of what goes on. It does explain why they are focusing on the worst of the worst. It does explain why they edited things the way they did.
Let’s zoom again, this time to modern day India. In India the cow is a sacred animal. In this culture they do not slaughter and eat cows. Neither do they keep them on farms. The cows are completely free range animals. They are even allowed to walk in and out of hospitals. But, go down and visit the fish markets!
](The Power of Man, the Suffering of Animals, and the Call to Mercy) by Matthew Scully. This excerpt addresses many of the issues brought up by different posters. (And if anyone is curious, Matthew Scully, is a conservative Republican *and *a Christian.) This is but a small portion from the book, which is 425 pages in length, and in its entirety explores this subject in great and meticulous depth.
It’s all there. You posted before I was finished copying. I have an old, rickety computer. Sorry!
The freaking miners didn’t even get a break. I live in Scranton, this city was built on coal and I’m a history buff, so I’m fairly familiar with what is being talked about here. Those miners worked 14 - 16 hours days 6 days a week for a couple dollars a week. They had to pay for their own supplies (picks, blasting buckets, a fee for each load they sent up the shoot, etc). They did all of their shopping at stores owned by the company, no other stores existed. They lived in houses owned by the company, no other houses existed. The company intentionally charged them more than they made. This way every week that someone worked in the mines they became more indebted to the company. The only way out of this debt was to have a bunch of children and send them into the mines, which the company loved because there were jobs that the full grown man was too big to do adequately like operating the separators – which exposed children as young as 8 to coal dust you couldn’t see your hand in front of your face for 14 - 16 hours a day six days a week.