I would think that doing that at 7 would create the detachment that would make it possible to say - ‘why not?’ — so I guess that is the answer - for you there is no reason why not… for many taking time to consider that question makes them consider that they would not be willing to kill an animal for food - so then they shouldn’t want someone else to do it for them.
Now you’re using the logical fallacy of called a straw man argument. I never said that because we’re clever tool using mammals we have the right to control and harvest other species. Just because you claim I said something, doesn’t make it true.
The Bible is not a science textbook. I appologize for claiming that God made us predators, I was mingling science and theology. Allow me to correct myself. Why did God allow us to evolve as predators?
Oh, I see. So, we’re the only primate that eats meat?
Okay, how come only carnivores and omnivores have canine teeth. Herbivores do not possess canine teeth. Humans have canine teeth. Can you explain this to me, no theology allowed here.
Ahh the old humans use tools argument that was debunked in the 1960’s. There are gorillas (could be chimps or orangutans I’m not 100% certain) who dip sticks in honey, then dip the sticks into anthills, the ants climb on the stick and the gorilla eats the ants off the stick. Birds that eat shell fish catch the shell fish, fly them into the air, and drop them on a hard surface to crack the shells so they can consume the fish. Should I go on or is this enough proof that humans aren’t the only tool users out there?
And birds would have a difficult time eating shell fish. I guess you should go tell all those birds to stop ignoring their nature.
Honestly, last night. It was between two pieces of bread and smothered in A1. It was really good, want me to save you some next time? And really, last time I was camping, I killed a rabbit by throwing a stone at it, then I whole roasted it. It makes the meat so sweet and juicy to burn the fur off and cook it in the sealed skin. Then I peeled by the skin, which came off easily once it was crisped, pulled it’s organs out with my hands and ate it with no tools. Okay, I cooked it first but that’s because man has been cooking his food so long he has evolved to eat cooked food. We have organs (i.e. the appendix) that we do not use anymore which at one time helped us digest raw meats.
We used to have those enzymes and organs. We still have the organs, they just don’t do anything. Man started cooking his food so many thousands of years ago that we have evolved to where we can’t eat raw meat anymore. It’s simple evolution.
I think that anyone who thinks that is small minded.
And, anyone who attempts to use the Bible as a science book should wake up and smell the 21st century.
First of all, I have made it very clear that I am not arguing that we should use animals for vain purposes. I do not consider eating meat a luxury taste. I think that it is perfectly morally acceptable to eat meat and here is why.
I’m sorry, but we don’t bread them to suffer. I will agree with you that vealing is animal cruelty and I don’t eat veal because of that. However, the vast majority of animals that are raised for food are well taken care of. A healthy animal is worth way more than a sick one.
His argument was that we have become wealthy enough that we don’t have to eat meat. I was pointing out the flaw in his argument.
Can you locate it on-line. I don’t subscribe to National Geographic because I don’t agree with some of their policies.
No one cares what you eat.*** You ***came here on your own volition and joined these discussions.
I find it ironic that this is a fairly modern problem. Look at the diets of farmers in the 1800’s and look at their life spans (adjusting the average for all the infant deaths that had nothing to do with meat consumption). The average farmer lived into his 70’s or 80’s, ate a diet filled with meat, butter, milk, and eggs. And was healthy. This isn’t from consuming meat, it’s from sitting in cubicles, staring at computers all day and then coming home and parking it in front of the TV. Same is true for obesity. People aren’t having heart attacks from eating steak, people aren’t getting fat from eating steak, these things are happening because people are freaking lazy and are not working out enough.
This I will agree with. If someone is going to eat meat they should be able to deal with exactly what it is they are eating. People who have to hide from the fact that it’s an animal shouldn’t be eating it. If the only way you can enjoy meat is to “forget” that it comes from an animal, then you are being a hypocrite and I hate hypocrisy.
Yes, but I didn’t start the discussions. Someone who cares about the fact that I eat meat started the discussions. If no one cared what I ate then they wouldn’t start discussions telling others that eating meat is wrong.
You got that science wrong! And many people do–so don’t feel alone. Not everyone is a dentist or a dental zoologist. Certain herbivores, do posses canine teeth–for example the horse and the antelope. Primates are frugivorous. The canine tooth is named for its position in the jaw. It is identified by a single long anchoring root. In the human jaw it is the stablest of teeth. It was named by man, not God.
You are now comparing animals to unborn human fetuses to animals. Are you intending to imply that animals deserve the same rights as an unborn human? If this is your stance then can I ask you some more questions? Does an unborn fetus deserve the same rights as a born human child? Does a born human child deserve the same rights as an adult human (of course aside from the parenting and things like that – I’m talking basic human rights here)? So, are you implying that an animal deserves the same rights as a human?
Well, maybe you should imagine it. In the days of the caveman right up through the Native Americans of the 1800’s and probably some primitive peoples even today children began hunting small game at a very young age. It was both to teach them to hunt and to teach them were food comes from and the proper respect to pay to that food.
I posted this in another thread. You are free to locate it on your own. That’s why I gave you the date of the publication. If the topic so interests you, you are free to do your own research.
Our incisors are pointed for ripping and tearing not flat for grinding and mashing. We have the teeth of an omnivore. What is a frugivore? (With references please) If you’re going to tell me that people do not have the teeth of an omnivore I’m going to have to insist on references.
Can I have a stupid statement of the day plaque please?
Nah, I’m good really. You suggested I read something supplemental, so I asked for a link and then you told me to do my own research. By all means you are welcomed to stop making references to outside resources if you’re just going to use them as an excuse to tell other people to do their own research.
If I had several inch thick “toe nails” on the bottoms of my feet with the exposed skin tucked neatly away, I suppose I could handle horse shoes…Have you ever walked in a pair of horse shoes??? Yikes!!! And what would you do with the two extra ones?
My point exactly–we are no longer cave men, we are well beyond primitive, we have developed alternatives to meat (and healthier ones at that). Now that we are more advanced, more civillized, we can let go of the primitive ways.
Love ya!!!
Why should I do your work for you??? If it interests you, look it up.
Heart disease is not simply linked to meat cosumption. There are amino acids found only in meats beneficial to the heart. Don’t lecture me on this, I have a tiny bit of experience in this. Do you know what I did when my dog became really sick with heart problems? I took her off her heart medication that the doctor prescribed and put her on an amino acid called taurine. That taurine kept her heart strong and I didn’t have to keep her on her heart medication anymore. At least until nothing could help her ailing heart anymore. Cats go blind and have serious heart problems without taurine. How do I know this? Glad you asked!!! I knew of a vegetarian that my vet once told me about. Her cats started coming in with premature blindness, eye problems, heart problems and other minor problems. He didn’t find out the woman was vegetarian until much later, but when he found out, he also found out her cats were on vegetarian diets too. She refused to feed them meat, presumably because it was “cruel”, even though she knew it would cause health problems in her cats. She even refused to give them meat even after the vet told her she had to or the problems would escalate. Talk about using your heart? Was this vegetarian using her “heart”? More and more animals are finding taurine to be beneficial to their diets, especially those with heart problems - especially carnivores, insectivores, and omnivores. Humans? I’m not sure, but since I myself have prolapsed mitral valve and slighlty elevated BP, I’d be willing to bet that taurine would help me as well. I just don’t eat enough meat to get the proper amount, so I’d have to supplement. There are other beneficial amino acids found only in meat that benefit other areas of the body as well. Too much meat is your culprit, not meat in general. Don’t present biased false facts to support your case, some of us can see through it and it decreases credibility. Which is why I won’t listen to or even chuckle at some of the earlier posts trying to “prove” a totally veg diet is beneficial and “supposedly” good for the soul.