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Yes, that is part of Church teaching on the matter. Do you deny that the other catechetical excerpts I have posted are also Church teaching?
I believe 2267 is all encompassing. The 2267 message explains the requirements and conditions that must be met in order for the Church to allow capital punishment.
Also, what about the then-Cardinal Ratzinger’s explanation of John Paul II’s opinion of the death penalty and that Catholics are free to have differing opinions on the matter, unlike abortion or euthanasia, where there can be no difference of opinion?
Yes, of course I agree that Catholics are free to have differing opinions on the matter of captial punishment. I think I mentioned this earlier. If one does not require Mercy, then by all means feel free to support capital punishment. Again this is my opinion/understanding from the words of Jesus in the New Testament.
Well, I’m not a prosecutor or a judge, so it’s not for me to decide. Unless I’m perhaps on a jury, in which case I’d certainly weigh all available facts before making any sort of decision.

However, decisions can be made wherein guilt or innocence are proven - it’s hardly impossible all of the time, or even most of the time. It simply requires dedication on the part of the justice system.
Only God knows 100% for sure if one is guilty or innocent. But then that’s only half the requirement. The second part requires that capital punishment is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor. I’m not sure how anyone could ever meet that requirement.
You’re certainly free to hold that opinion - just don’t try to say that it is Church teaching that the death penalty must never be used, because that much is not so at all.
I appreciate you helping me clarify my message.

God Bless.
 
Christ Himself does not address capital punishment in Scripture because that was not His goal on earth. He was not ministering to a state authority, so He therefore did not speak of things that are state business, such as capital punishment.
Lycorth, we disagree. I think Jesus spoke directly to the death penalty with:

Jesus: "So Pilate said to (Jesus), “Do you not speak to me? Do you not know that I have power to release you and I have power to crucify you?” Jesus answered (him), “You would have no power over me if it had not been given to you from above.” John 19:10-11

And here, there was tacit approval of the death penalty, with the much more important message being that salvation was much more important than the method of one’s death:

Jesus: Now one of the criminals hanging there reviled Jesus, saying, “Are you not the Messiah? Save yourself and us.” The other, however, rebuking him, said in reply, “Have you no fear of God, for you are subject to the same condemnation? And indeed, we have been condemned justly, for the sentence we received corresponds to our crimes, but this man has done nothing criminal.” Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” (Jesus) replied to him, “Amen, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise.” Luke 23: 39-43

And then there is this, which specifically deals with all sanctions as given by the civil authority, with the understaming that such includes tthe death penalty and a description of an eternal sanction of much greater severity, which could infer an acceptance of the much less severe earthly sanction of death.

Jesus: “You have heard the ancients were told, ˜YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER” and “Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court”. But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever shall say to his brother, “Raca”, shall be guilty before the supreme court and whoever shall say, “You fool”, shall be guilty enough to go into fiery hell." Matthew 5:17-22.
 
And as far as multiple capital offenses? After the first capital offense, they stay in prison for LIFE.
And if they commit their multiple capital offenses while in prison, what will you recommend, extending their life sentence?

In addition, a prison guard stated (paraphrase) : “there is no doubt, the Mexican Mafia can reach out and touch anyone.” Meaning, the Mexican Mafia can put a hit out on anyone, while in prison, and that free world person will be murdered.

This goes to a fundamental problem with the prudential judgements in 2267.

2267 "Today, in fact, given the means at the State’s disposal to effectively repress crime by rendering inoffensive the one who has committed it, without depriving him definitively of the possibility of redeeming himself, cases of absolute necessity for suppression of the offender ‘today … are very rare, if not practically non-existent.’ John Paul II, Evangelium Vitae 56).

The Catechism and EV are, hereby, using the secular standard of penal security as a means to outweigh justice/balance/redress/retribution/expiation. This cannot and should not be the standard.

This is such a poorly considered prudential judgement as to negate its “prudential” moniker.

Let’s look at “the means at the State’s disposal”.

All villages, towns, cities, states, territories, countries and broad government unions have widely varying degrees of police protections and prison security. Murderers escape, harm and murder in prison and are given such leeway as to murder and/or harm, again, because of “mercy” to the murderer, leniency and irresponsibility to murderers, who are released or otherwise given the opportunity to cause catastrophic losses to the innocent when such innocents are harmed and murdered by unjust aggressors. (4)

Incarcerated prisoners plan murders, escapes and all types of criminal activity, using proxies or cell phones in directing free world criminal activities. All of this is well known by all, with the apparent exception of the authors of the Catechism. (4)

Some countries are so idiotic, reckless and callous as to allow terrorists to sign pledges that they will not harm again and then they are released, bound only by their word, a worthless pledge resulting in more innocent blood. (4)

It has always been so.

The Catechism, as does EV, avoids the many realities whereby the unjust aggressor has too many opportunities to harm again. Do the authors of the Catechism have no grasp of reality? (4)

The only known method of rendering a criminal “unable to inflict harm” is execution. “Unable to inflict harm” (2265) has the same meaning as “impossible to do harm”.

In addition, there exists the clear conflict between (1) this unprecedented and unjustified restriction on the death penalty and (2) “Preserving the common good requires rendering the unjust aggressor unable to inflict harm” (2265).

Which is it? Is the Church going to require “rendering the unjust aggressor unable to inflict harm” or is the Church going to require that we do everything but render the unjust aggressor unable to inflict harm?

Has a prudential judgement ever been placed in a Catechism, before? If not, the current one would seem to make the reasons clear and would denounce any possible repeat of that error.

Absent from consideration, within the Catechism, is any specific discussion of harm to “innocent” murder victims and potential murder victims and the effects on their earthly and eternal lives when we give known murderers the opportunity, too often realized, to harm and murder, again.

It is as if the Church is unaware that executed murderers cannot harm, again, but that livings murderers can and do.

Why has the Church chosen to depend upon widely varying and error prone incarceration systems, when the reality is that so many innocents are caused further suffering by known unjust aggressors, because of the failings in those systems?

It appears the Catechism’s (& EV) authors never considered the reality of such suferring. (3&4)

And why has the Church done this when it commands “Preserving the common good requires rendering the unjust aggressor unable to inflict harm.” (2265)?

Here are the known realities of all unjust aggressors, murderers and other violent offenders. They can morally/criminally/spiritually:
(a) improve, which can mean everything in a spectrum from still quite bad to saintliness;
(b) stay the same, a bad result for them and others; or
(c) become worse, a more severe, negative outcome which puts the unjust aggressor and all others even more at risk.

The only way to, humanly, make a criminal “unable to inflict harm” (2265) is to execute them. Rationally, factually, there is no other way.

What the Church has done is to reverse its longstanding emphasis on protecting innocents. This Catechism, to the contrary, has decided to give much more deference to guilty murderers than it has for protecting the innocent.

There are at least four Church recognized foundations for criminal sanction; 1) defense of society against the criminal; 2) rehabilitation of the criminal; 3) retribution or the reparation of the disorder caused by the transgression and 4) deterrence.

There is a 5th, collectively - biblical instruction, theology, tradition and reason - which must guide the 4 others. They aren’t mentioned, because they are a constant.

All of those foundations are better met with the death penalty than by lesser sanctions.
 
And if they commit their multiple capital offenses while in prison, what will you recommend, extending their life sentence?

In addition, a prison guard stated (paraphrase) : “there is no doubt, the Mexican Mafia can reach out and touch anyone.” Meaning, the Mexican Mafia can put a hit out on anyone, while in prison, and that free world person will be murdered.

This goes to a fundamental problem with the prudential judgements in 2267.

2267 "Today, in fact, given the means at the State’s disposal to effectively repress crime by rendering inoffensive the one who has committed it, without depriving him definitively of the possibility of redeeming himself, cases of absolute necessity for suppression of the offender ‘today … are very rare, if not practically non-existent.’ [John Paul II, Evangelium Vitae 56)…
It may be see as fundamentally flawed, but this is the teaching of the Church. Thus, I always limit myself to this one area in defense of the death penalty: can society be kept safe?

For those who think the teaching of Jesus forbids the death penalty, you must factor in, and explain why Jesus also implemented a death penalty in the Old Testament, and why the Church has taught the justice of the death penalty for 1900 years.
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The only way to, humanly, make a criminal “unable to inflict harm” (2265) is to execute them. Rationally, factually, there is no other way.
I agree completely. And by the same token, I should also be killed since that is the only way to guarantee that I will no longer hurt God with my sin.
 
For those who think the teaching of Jesus forbids the death penalty, you must factor in, and explain why Jesus also implemented a death penalty in the Old Testament, and why the Church has taught the justice of the death penalty for 1900 years.
I agree that the death penalty for murder is perfect Justice. My only problem is that I require Mercy. If I demand perfect Justice on my neighbour without Mercy, how can I expect anything different from Jesus on my judgement day?
 
I agree that the death penalty for murder is perfect Justice. My only problem is that I require Mercy. If I demand perfect Justice on my neighbour without Mercy, how can I expect anything different from Jesus on my judgement day?
Because it is not you that are demanding perfect justice, nor is anyone suggesting perfect justice. Execution is practiced in the most humane means possible. We make no effort as a society to mirror the horrendous death a murder may entail.

Second, we make no determination when we execute someone as to the person’s eternal destiny. Mercy is still available for all eternity.

Third, everytime we pray the Lord’s Prayer, “Forgive us our debts…”, we need to be clear that if we think a person should be executed for a crime, then we ourselves would be willing to be executed for that same crime. I think there is a misunderstanding in extrapolating the temporal mercy, or justice, that society exercises on Earth to the Eternal. As important as life is, it is nothing compared to eternal life.

Finally, if one sticks to the Catechism in exercising the death penalty, then executing a person is showing mercy for the innocent over mercy for the guilty.
 
I believe 2267 is all encompassing. The 2267 message explains the requirements and conditions that must be met in order for the Church to allow capital punishment.
That’s not what I asked.
Yes, of course I agree that Catholics are free to have differing opinions on the matter of captial punishment. I think I mentioned this earlier. If one does not require Mercy, then by all means feel free to support capital punishment. Again this is my opinion/understanding from the words of Jesus in the New Testament.
You cannot say that all Catholics are free to have differing opinions on capital punishment and then say that if one does not require mercy then one should feel free to support capital punishment, implying that only the unmerciful support capital punishment. Either we’re free to support it or not free to.

Also, I think that you need to understand that you do not require mercy - you do not require anything. God alone makes requirements - we obey them. Regardless of how you feel about this or any issue, you do not make moral requirements. Only God gets to do that.
Only God knows 100% for sure if one is guilty or innocent. But then that’s only half the requirement. The second part requires that capital punishment is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor. I’m not sure how anyone could ever meet that requirement.
Both conditions can be met very easily. The first merely requires an honest and dedicated justice system which proves the status of a suspect beyond all doubt before rendering a verdict, and the second is observed in the horrid crime rates in areas where dangerous criminals are punished with only temporary prison sentences as well as in prisons where dangerous criminals are housed indefinitely. In either case, criminal violence is very high, proving that the only way to defend society from dangerous criminals who will not change their ways is to execute them.

Do you have experience living in high crime areas? I have about thirty years’ experience, and only as a citizen - law enforcement folks tell an even worse story than I do.
I appreciate you helping me clarify my message.

God Bless.
In what way?
Lycorth, we disagree. I think Jesus spoke directly to the death penalty with:

Jesus: "So Pilate said to (Jesus), “Do you not speak to me? Do you not know that I have power to release you and I have power to crucify you?” Jesus answered (him), “You would have no power over me if it had not been given to you from above.” John 19:10-11

And here, there was tacit approval of the death penalty, with the much more important message being that salvation was much more important than the method of one’s death:

Jesus: Now one of the criminals hanging there reviled Jesus, saying, “Are you not the Messiah? Save yourself and us.” The other, however, rebuking him, said in reply, “Have you no fear of God, for you are subject to the same condemnation? And indeed, we have been condemned justly, for the sentence we received corresponds to our crimes, but this man has done nothing criminal.” Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” (Jesus) replied to him, “Amen, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise.” Luke 23: 39-43

And then there is this, which specifically deals with all sanctions as given by the civil authority, with the understaming that such includes tthe death penalty and a description of an eternal sanction of much greater severity, which could infer an acceptance of the much less severe earthly sanction of death.

Jesus: “You have heard the ancients were told, ˜YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER” and “Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court”. But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever shall say to his brother, “Raca”, shall be guilty before the supreme court and whoever shall say, “You fool”, shall be guilty enough to go into fiery hell." Matthew 5:17-22.
Ah, I had forgotten Christ standing before Pilate - good call 🙂
 
Thus, in this case of the death penalty, JPII replaces the primary purpose of punishment (justice) with a secondary purpose (defense of society).
So, how can one reconcile these conflicting ideas?
I do not think it can be reconciled because justice and redress have always had dominion over safety.

Furthermore, both JPII and the Catechism failed in the prudential judgement aspect in evaluating the safety issue. Beside the obvious problems of inherent error and widely varying degress of security within the world’s criminal justice systems, there exists this additional contradiction:

Consider this newest recommendation:

(a) “If bloodless means are sufficient” (2267) in this eternal context:

(b) “If anyone sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed.” (1) “This teaching remains necessary for all time.” (2260)

and (a)'s obvious conflict with Genesis also has additional conflicts within into own document, just as one section above

(c) the “common good” “requires” an unjust aggressor be rendered “unable to inflict harm”. (2266)

The Catechism is stating that “The common good requires rendering the unjust aggressor unable to inflict harm” except that we should rarely, if ever, render an unjust aggressor unable to inflict harm. Of course, that doesn’t work.

Justice, redress and safety all fall on the side of execution.
 
I do not think it can be reconciled because justice and redress have always had dominion over safety.

Furthermore, both JPII and the Catechism failed in the prudential judgement aspect in evaluating the safety issue. Beside the obvious problems of inherent error and widely varying degress of security within the world’s criminal justice systems, there exists this additional contradiction:

Consider this newest recommendation:

(a) “If bloodless means are sufficient” (2267) in this eternal context:

(b) “If anyone sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed.” (1) “This teaching remains necessary for all time.” (2260)

and (a)'s obvious conflict with Genesis also has additional conflicts within into own document, just as one section above

(c) the “common good” “requires” an unjust aggressor be rendered “unable to inflict harm”. (2266)

The Catechism is stating that “The common good requires rendering the unjust aggressor unable to inflict harm” except that we should rarely, if ever, render an unjust aggressor unable to inflict harm. Of course, that doesn’t work.

Justice, redress and safety all fall on the side of execution.
Eminently true. When I read the CCC’s excerpts about the death penalty, aside from JPII’s non-binding opinion found at the very end, it is easy for me to read it from a pro-capital punishment perspective, especially in light of prior Church teaching on the subject. But, I have to read it in that light - the CCC isn’t worded specifically enough to instantly convey that opinion to me, and if I am anti-capital punishment, I can read my opinion into the CCC, too. One can either read a traditional perspective or a modern one - vagueness is the problem.

A new Catechism is needed that encompasses all the new problems the CCC addresses (such as pornography), but isn’t vague on things like capital punishment.
 
My personal belief is that JPII was correct in his opinion, opposing capital punishment.

We also know that when DNA tests are performed, that about 17% of convictions have been proved to be wrongful, and also that racial discrimination appears to play a role on who receives a death sentence, and who doesn’t. For me, these are just two more reasons to oppose the death penalty on moral grounds.
You’ve hit it perfectly, it is PJPII’s opinion opposing capital punishment. It is a prudential judgement that never should have been brought into the Catechism. It brought error and contradiciton into the Catechism.

You are in error on both additional points.

9 inmates have been removed from death row because of DNA exclusion, or 0.1%.

I have no idea where you got the 17%. But, I would put money on it being an anti death penalty source.

Regarding racial bias, please review:

“Death Penalty Sentencing: No Systemic Bias”
prodpinnc.blogspot.com/2009/07/death-penalty-sentencing-no-systemic.html
 
vagueness is the problem.
I think error and contradiction are the primary problems. The Catechism is very specific, but the problem is that the speciifics contradict.

Contradiction is error.

What is needed is a thorough,consistent, error free amendment, which doesn’t completely neglect prior Church teachings.
 
You’ve hit it perfectly, it is PJPII’s opinion opposing capital punishment. It is a prudential judgement that never should have been brought into the Catechism. It brought error and contradiciton into the Catechism.

You are in error on both additional points.
Can you say I am in error, too? Maybe I will made venerable.
 
I think error and contradiction are the primary problems. The Catechism is very specific, but the problem is that the speciifics contradict.

Contradiction is error.

What is needed is a thorough,consistent, error free amendment, which doesn’t completely neglect prior Church teachings.
Not that the entire Catechism is vague, just that the entry on the death penalty is - and yes there is a contradiction in JPII’s opinion at the end of that entry and prior Church teaching.

But I agree that a clear and flawless amendment is needed, at the least.
 
And if they commit their multiple capital offenses while in prison, what will you recommend, extending their life sentence?

In addition, a prison guard stated (paraphrase) : “there is no doubt, the Mexican Mafia can reach out and touch anyone.” Meaning, the Mexican Mafia can put a hit out on anyone, while in prison, and that free world person will be murdered.

This goes to a fundamental problem with the prudential judgements in 2267.

2267 "Today, in fact, given the means at the State’s disposal to effectively repress crime by rendering inoffensive the one who has committed it, without depriving him definitively of the possibility of redeeming himself, cases of absolute necessity for suppression of the offender ‘today … are very rare, if not practically non-existent.’ [John Paul II, Evangelium Vitae 56).

The Catechism and EV are, hereby, using the secular standard of penal security as a means to outweigh justice/balance/redress/retribution/expiation. This cannot and should not be the standard.

This is such a poorly considered prudential judgement as to negate its “prudential” moniker.

Let’s look at “the means at the State’s disposal”.

All villages, towns, cities, states, territories, countries and broad government unions have widely varying degrees of police protections and prison security. Murderers escape, harm and murder in prison and are given such leeway as to murder and/or harm, again, because of “mercy” to the murderer, leniency and irresponsibility to murderers, who are released or otherwise given the opportunity to cause catastrophic losses to the innocent when such innocents are harmed and murdered by unjust aggressors. (4)

Incarcerated prisoners plan murders, escapes and all types of criminal activity, using proxies or cell phones in directing free world criminal activities. All of this is well known by all, with the apparent exception of the authors of the Catechism. (4)

Some countries are so idiotic, reckless and callous as to allow terrorists to sign pledges that they will not harm again and then they are released, bound only by their word, a worthless pledge resulting in more innocent blood. (4)

It has always been so.

The Catechism, as does EV, avoids the many realities whereby the unjust aggressor has too many opportunities to harm again. Do the authors of the Catechism have no grasp of reality? (4)

The only known method of rendering a criminal “unable to inflict harm” is execution. “Unable to inflict harm” (2265) has the same meaning as “impossible to do harm”.

In addition, there exists the clear conflict between (1) this unprecedented and unjustified restriction on the death penalty and (2) “Preserving the common good requires rendering the unjust aggressor unable to inflict harm” (2265).

Which is it? Is the Church going to require “rendering the unjust aggressor unable to inflict harm” or is the Church going to require that we do everything but render the unjust aggressor unable to inflict harm?

Has a prudential judgement ever been placed in a Catechism, before? If not, the current one would seem to make the reasons clear and would denounce any possible repeat of that error.

Absent from consideration, within the Catechism, is any specific discussion of harm to “innocent” murder victims and potential murder victims and the effects on their earthly and eternal lives when we give known murderers the opportunity, too often realized, to harm and murder, again.

It is as if the Church is unaware that executed murderers cannot harm, again, but that livings murderers can and do.

Why has the Church chosen to depend upon widely varying and error prone incarceration systems, when the reality is that so many innocents are caused further suffering by known unjust aggressors, because of the failings in those systems?

It appears the Catechism’s (& EV) authors never considered the reality of such suferring. (3&4)

And why has the Church done this when it commands “Preserving the common good requires rendering the unjust aggressor unable to inflict harm.” (2265)?

Here are the known realities of all unjust aggressors, murderers and other violent offenders. They can morally/criminally/spiritually:
(a) improve, which can mean everything in a spectrum from still quite bad to saintliness;
(b) stay the same, a bad result for them and others; or
(c) become worse, a more severe, negative outcome which puts the unjust aggressor and all others even more at risk.

The only way to, humanly, make a criminal “unable to inflict harm” (2265) is to execute them. Rationally, factually, there is no other way.

What the Church has done is to reverse its longstanding emphasis on protecting innocents. This Catechism, to the contrary, has decided to give much more deference to guilty murderers than it has for protecting the innocent.

There are at least four Church recognized foundations for criminal sanction; 1) defense of society against the criminal; 2) rehabilitation of the criminal; 3) retribution or the reparation of the disorder caused by the transgression and 4) deterrence.

There is a 5th, collectively - biblical instruction, theology, tradition and reason - which must guide the 4 others. They aren’t mentioned, because they are a constant.

All of those foundations are better met with the death penalty than by lesser sanctions.
Will you require Mercy on your judgement day?
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Because it is not you that are demanding perfect justice, nor is anyone suggesting perfect justice. Execution is practiced in the most humane means possible. We make no effort as a society to mirror the horrendous death a murder may entail.

Second, we make no determination when we execute someone as to the person’s eternal destiny. Mercy is still available for all eternity.

Third, everytime we pray the Lord’s Prayer, “Forgive us our debts…”, we need to be clear that if we think a person should be executed for a crime, then we ourselves would be willing to be executed for that same crime. I think there is a misunderstanding in extrapolating the temporal mercy, or justice, that society exercises on Earth to the Eternal. As important as life is, it is nothing compared to eternal life.

Finally, if one sticks to the Catechism in exercising the death penalty, then executing a person is showing mercy for the innocent over mercy for the guilty.
Will you require Mercy on your judgement day?
 
That’s not what I asked.

You cannot say that all Catholics are free to have differing opinions on capital punishment and then say that if one does not require mercy then one should feel free to support capital punishment, implying that only the unmerciful support capital punishment. Either we’re free to support it or not free to.

Also, I think that you need to understand that you do not require mercy - you do not require anything. God alone makes requirements - we obey them. Regardless of how you feel about this or any issue, you do not make moral requirements. Only God gets to do that.

Both conditions can be met very easily. The first merely requires an honest and dedicated justice system which proves the status of a suspect beyond all doubt before rendering a verdict, and the second is observed in the horrid crime rates in areas where dangerous criminals are punished with only temporary prison sentences as well as in prisons where dangerous criminals are housed indefinitely. In either case, criminal violence is very high, proving that the only way to defend society from dangerous criminals who will not change their ways is to execute them.

Do you have experience living in high crime areas? I have about thirty years’ experience, and only as a citizen - law enforcement folks tell an even worse story than I do.

In what way?

Ah, I had forgotten Christ standing before Pilate - good call 🙂
Will you require Mercy on your judgement day?
 
Will you require Mercy on your judgement day?
I think it clear, biblically, that we all shall.

Neither mercy nor forgiveness exclude a just earthly sanction.

Mercy & Redemption: Support for the death penalty
  1. Saint Augustine. In addition to the required punishment for murder and the deterrence standards, both Saints find that executing murderers is also an act of charity and mercy. Saint Augustine confirms that " . . . inflicting capital punishment . . . protects those who are undergoing capital punishment from the harm they may suffer . . . through increased sinning which might continue if their life went on." (On the Lord’s Sermon, 1.20.63-64.)
  2. Saint Thomas Aquinas finds that " . . . the death inflicted by the judge profits the sinner, if he be converted, unto the expiation of his crime; and, if he be not converted, it profits so as to put an end to the sin, because the sinner is thus deprived of the power to sin anymore." (Summa Theologica, II-II, 25, 6 ad 2.)
  3. Quaker, biblical scholar Dr. Gervas A. Carey:
Carey agrees with Saints Augustine and Aquinas, that executions represent mercy to the wrongdoer:

“. . . a secondary measure of the love of God may be said to appear. For capital punishment provides the murderer with incentive to repentance which the ordinary man does not have, that is a definite date on which he is to meet his God. It is as if God thus providentially granted him a special inducement to repentance out of consideration of the enormity of his crime . . . the law grants to the condemned an opportunity which he did not grant to his victim, the opportunity to prepare to meet his God. Even divine justice here may be said to be tempered with mercy.” (p. 116). (1)
  1. Romano Amerio, a faithful Catholic Vatican insider, scholar, professor at the Academy of Lugano, consultant to the Preparatory Commission of Vatican II, and a peritus (expert theologian) at the Council.
“The most irreligious aspect of this argument against capital punishment is that it denies its expiatory value which, from a religious point of view, is of the highest importance because it can include a final consent to give up the greatest of all worldly goods.

This fits exactly with St. Thomas’s opinion that as well as canceling out any debt that the criminal owes to civil society, capital punishment can cancel all punishment due in the life to come. His thought is . . . Summa, ‘Even death inflicted as a punishment for crimes takes away the whole punishment due for those crimes in the next life, or a least part of that punishment, according to the quantities of guilt, resignation and contrition; but a natural death does not.’

The moral importance of wanting to make expiation also explains the indefatigable efforts of the Confraternity of St. John the Baptist Beheaded, the members of which used to accompany men to their deaths, all the while suggesting, begging and providing help to get them to repent and accept their deaths, so ensuring that they would die in the grace of God, as the saying went.” (2)

Some opposing capital punishment ” . . . go on to assert that a life should not be ended because that would remove the possibility of making expiation, is to ignore the great truth that capital punishment is itself expiatory. In a humanistic religion expiation would of course be primarily the converting of a man to other men. On that view, time is needed to effect a reformation, and the time available should not be shortened. In God’s religion, on the other hand, expiation is primarily a recognition of the divine majesty and lordship, which can be and should be recognized at every moment, in accordance with the principle of the concentration of one’s moral life.” (2)

Some death penalty opponents “deny the expiatory value of death; death which has the highest expiatory value possible among natural things, precisely because life is the highest good among the relative goods of this world; and it is by consenting to sacrifice that life, that the fullest expiation can be made. And again, the expiation that the innocent Christ made for the sins of mankind was itself effected through his being condemned to death.” (2)
  1. synopsis of “A Bible Study”.from Essays on the Death Penalty, T. Robert Ingram, ed., St. Thomas Press, Houston, 1963, 1992. Dr. Carey was a Professor of Bible and past President of George Fox College.
  2. “Amerio on capital punishment “, Chapter XXVI, 187. The death penalty, from the book Iota Unum, May 25, 2007 ,
    domid.blogspot.com/2007/05/amerio-on-capital-punishment.html
 
Will you require Mercy on your judgement day?
I will require mercy in that I will need mercy - I will not require mercy in that I demand mercy. Do you see how I mean that?

It also has nothing to do with support of the death penalty, which is licit according to Church teaching, nor with a just application of it as opposed to abrogating it altogether. I hope and pray that even the worst violent criminal repents, even if at the last minute, and escapes Hell, but I also acknowledge the earthly need to do justice to certain grave crimes as well as the earthly need to protect society.
 
I think it clear, biblically, that we all shall.

Neither mercy nor forgiveness exclude a just earthly sanction.

Mercy & Redemption: Support for the death penalty
  1. Saint Augustine. In addition to the required punishment for murder and the deterrence standards, both Saints find that executing murderers is also an act of charity and mercy. Saint Augustine confirms that " . . .** inflicting capital punishment . . . protects those who are undergoing capital punishment from the harm they may suffer . . . through increased sinning which might continue if their life went on.**" (On the Lord’s Sermon, 1.20.63-64.)
So does this also mean that our lives should be ended since there’s a fairly good chance that we will also sin again and therefore it would be more merciful to have us executed so that we will no longer sin?

James 2:13 There will be no mercy for those who have not shown mercy to others. But if you have been merciful, God will be merciful when he judges you.

Matthew 5:7 Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.

Matthew 5:43“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Matthew 18:21Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?” 22Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times. 23“Therefore, the kingdom of heaven is like a king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. 24As he began the settlement, a man who owed him ten thousand talents was brought to him. 25Since he was not able to pay, the master ordered that he and his wife and his children and all that he had be sold to repay the debt. 26“The servant fell on his knees before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’ 27The servant’s master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go. 28“But when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred denarii. He grabbed him and began to choke him. ‘Pay back what you owe me!’ he demanded. 29“His fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him, ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay you back.’ 30“But he refused. Instead, he went off and had the man thrown into prison until he could pay the debt. 31When the other servants saw what had happened, they were greatly distressed and went and told their master everything that had happened. 32“Then the master called the servant in. ‘You wicked servant,’ he said, ‘I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. 33Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?’ 34In anger his master turned him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed. 35“This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother from your heart.”
 
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