Death Penalty for Child Molesters?

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The link is to a Time Article about states that have instituted/are contemplating instituting the death penalty in the case of repeat child rapists:

time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1616890,00.html?cnn=yes

Before answering, if you need to review what the Church teaches about the death penalty (I know I did), you can find it here:

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Legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for one who is responsible for the lives of others. The defense of the common good requires that an unjust aggressor be rendered unable to cause harm. For this reason, those who legitimately hold authority also have the right to use arms to repel aggressors against the civil community entrusted to their responsibility.

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The efforts of the state to curb the spread of behavior harmful to people’s rights and to the basic rules of civil society correspond to the requirement of safeguarding the common good. Legitimate public authority has the right and the duty to inflict punishment proportionate to the gravity of the offense. Punishment has the primary aim of redressing the disorder introduced by the offense. When it is willingly accepted by the guilty party, it assumes the value of expiation. Punishment then, in addition to defending public order and protecting people’s safety, has a medicinal purpose: as far as possible, it must contribute to the correction of the guilty party.67

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Assuming that the guilty party’s identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.

If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people’s safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and more in conformity with the dignity of the human person.

Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense incapable of doing harm—without definitively taking away from him the possibility of redeeming himself—the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity “are very rare, if not practically non-existent.”*

What do y’all think?
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If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people’s safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and more in conformity with the dignity of the human person.
Sounds like life in prison will keep them away from children well enough, no need to murder them.
 
The idea sounds more like adopting the world’s ideas of vengeance and demonising than any desire for justice to me.
 
Disgusting as the crime is, execution’s only warranted as a preventative measure. Life in prison will definitely stop these offenders from raping children, and it may well be a death sentence anyway (I’ve heard it said that child molesters are at the bottom of the prison social pyramid and thus most likely to be victims of violence).
 
I am now against the death penalty for any reason with one exception; unless the sentance would be carried out within 24 hours of conviction for capital crimes.

Since that is very unlikely to ever happen we should abolish the discussion as well as the act, and make life in prison mandatory for certain crimes. What gets me though is the “repeat” offenders with respect to child rapists. Once is enough.
 
I don’t agree with them getting the Death Penalty, but I do think first time child rapists should get mandatory life sentances.
 
I am now against the death penalty for any reason with one exception; unless the sentance would be carried out within 24 hours of conviction for capital crimes.

Since that is very unlikely to ever happen we should abolish the discussion as well as the act, and make life in prison mandatory for certain crimes. What gets me though is the “repeat” offenders with respect to child rapists. Once is enough.
:mad:

You bet. Life scentence!

Sorry, but I dont have much patience for this. I am a devout Catholic, and know God will punish them, in the meantime they need to be locked up forever.:cool:
 
The death penalty is often the result of imprisonment of a child abuser - note the priest in Massachusetts. However, the sentence is being carried out by the inmates rather than the state. :eek:
 
The death penalty is often the result of imprisonment of a child abuser - note the priest in Massachusetts. However, the sentence is being carried out by the inmates rather than the state. :eek:
You are not living in reality. Wake up man. Is that why I have 3 registered offenders living in close proximity to my child?
Nope. Nevermind the ones who dont register.

Why are they not dead or locked up?

And yes, the inmates usually will take down the peadophilles.

Sorry, I just dont care about that. Maybe they ought to not do the crime hey?
 
I have often wondered…why are pedophiles not ‘rehabiliative?’ I watched a news program on this, recently…where one guy kept going to jail…getting out after say 3-5 years…then doing it again and again. Now, he’s in jail for 20 years. But, he’s ruined so many more lives…when he should have been locked up for good? :mad: Why is our penal system so lenient on child molestors? This may sound crazy, but with abortion being legal (this might be a leap to some) it shows a total disregard for a child’s life from conception. So, it sends a message that children are not all that important in society…so these sentences don’t need to be harsh.😦

I dunno. Just thinking out loud.
 
AMEN!

And tell my why one of the ped’s is always sitting in the front pew at Church and gets the Eucharist every Sunday? He is contrite?

Hardly!:mad:

He is a REPEAT offender of children at our own parish! Not only that but he walks past our block to get to Mass when its several blocks out of the way

BUT next to a PARK where he can “case” it out for kids. The law says he can go to religious services. It does not say he can do THIS!

:mad: :mad: :mad:
I have often wondered…why are pedophiles not ‘rehabiliative?’ I watched a news program on this, recently…where one guy kept going to jail…getting out after say 3-5 years…then doing it again and again. Now, he’s in jail for 20 years. But, he’s ruined so many more lives…when he should have been locked up for good? :mad: Why is our penal system so lenient on child molestors? This may sound crazy, but with abortion being legal (this might be a leap to some) it shows a total disregard for a child’s life from conception. So, it sends a message that children are not all that important in society…so these sentences don’t need to be harsh.😦

I dunno. Just thinking out loud.
 
AMEN!

And tell my why one of the ped’s is always sitting in the front pew at Church and gets the Eucharist every Sunday? He is contrite?

Hardly!:mad:

He is a REPEAT offender of children at our own parish! Not only that but he walks past our block to get to Mass when its several blocks out of the way

BUT next to a PARK where he can “case” it out for kids. The law says he can go to religious services. It does not say he can do THIS!

:mad: :mad: :mad:
Oh my…that is horrible!!!:mad:

I can’t judge the Eucharist part…BUT…why is this person allowed to live near children? :mad: They have a right to live a life…just not near children. That’s why they should be locked up forever…because once they get around children (and it’s inevitable…I mean…grocery store…mall, etc…) they will act out again (typically) As I said…they are not rehabilitative.
 
Oh my…that is horrible!!!:mad:

I can’t judge the Eucharist part…BUT…why is this person allowed to live near children? :mad: They have a right to live a life…just not near children. That’s why they should be locked up forever…because once they get around children (and it’s inevitable…I mean…grocery store…mall, etc…) they will act out again (typically) As I said…they are not rehabilitative.
I know what you are saying about the Eucharist, but keep in mind what I said- He is GOING OUT of HIS WAY to pass my house and the park (4 blocks out of his way) to go to Mass.

Sitting up front.

URRRGH! And I am a mother of a toddler. My only child. I can not have another child. And my block is FILLED with little kids!

Nothing can be done.:mad:

Trust me. My husband has done everything within the legal means to stop this.

😦
 
Wow. I just checked my posts and saw this.

Very compelling evidence for a dog. 👍

Now I need to ask my husband if he will reconsider his position on dogs.:cool:
 
Something to consider. There can be unintended consequences in upping the penalty for a given crime. If, for example, we were to make the penalty for petit theft mandatory life in prison, you can bet the person committing the theft will be willing to commit what society would consider more heinous crimes in order to avoid getting caught. I can see where a child molester might murder every child that he victimizes if the penalty for getting caught is death. He has nothing to lose by committing an even worse crime.

I want to be clear that I’m not giving any opinion about what I consider the appropriate penalty for the actions of a child molester.
 
Here’s an idea: what if sexual offenders who finished there sentence were forced to live out their existence in a monestary under strict observence? Trying to escape would result in an instant life sentence. They would be held accountable by other men and have a better chance of being redeemed. I know there are probably loopholes there, but what do you think?
 
AMEN!

And tell my why one of the ped’s is always sitting in the front pew at Church and gets the Eucharist every Sunday? He is contrite?

Hardly!:mad:

He is a REPEAT offender of children at our own parish! Not only that but he walks past our block to get to Mass when its several blocks out of the way

BUT next to a PARK where he can “case” it out for kids. The law says he can go to religious services. It does not say he can do THIS!

:mad: :mad: :mad:
A Church is private property. He can be kicked out.
 
I can see where a child molester might murder every child that he victimizes if the penalty for getting caught is death. He has nothing to lose by committing an even worse crime.
This was one of the arguements against the proposal by, of all people, a TEXAN (😉 Sorry, Texans out there, but you DO have the reputation of being a tad…er…robust on the death penalty).
 
Oh my…that is horrible!!!:mad:

I can’t judge the Eucharist part…BUT…why is this person allowed to live near children? :mad: They have a right to live a life…just not near children. That’s why they should be locked up forever…because once they get around children (and it’s inevitable…I mean…grocery store…mall, etc…) they will act out again (typically) As I said…they are not rehabilitative.
Sexual offenders, from what I’ve read in The Skeptical Inquirer (a magazine you might want to avoid since one of the things it does is discredit the supernatural), are no more likely to reoffend than burglars (I forget if the rate for burglars was higher or not). According to wikipedia, the recidivism rate, contrary to popular opinion, is relatively low:

Sex offenders have a relatively low recidivism rate in the first years after prison release. The results of studies seem to vary. On average, studies appear to indicate that sex offenders have between a 3 and 13% chance of committing a new sex offense. One source specifies the rate for new sex crimes is 13.7%, the rate for child molestation is 12.7%, the rate for child molestation within families is 8.4%, and the rate for rape 18.9%. [2] Canadian studies have shown approximately a 13.4% rate of recidivism.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_Offender#Recidivism_rates

I don’t think restrictions should be placed on where sex offenders live. In Florida, some sex offenders have been forced to live under a bridge due to there not being any other place to go for housing:

cnn.com/2007/LAW/04/05/bridge.sex.offenders/index.html

I do support severe penalties for those who abuse children, especially for repeat offenses. My general philosophy is that the penalty for a crime (any kind of crime) should be increased when the incidence of that crime is intolerably high – increased until it is at a more ‘tolerable’ level or until there are diminishing returns (i.e. when increasing it anymore doesn’t make any or much difference)

I don’t support the death penalty for anyone. The idea of a country or a state killing its own citizens runs contrary to my idea of what society should be. We should give sinners an opportunity to redeem their lives. The death penalty is also unmerciful towards loved ones.
 
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