Death Penalty for Child Molesters?

[whatevergirl]

I find it unacceptable the attitude of people to what are sinners when all is said and done - some of what is said is just demonisation and not Christian IMO
and no, it is not true that no rehabilitation is possible
churches in Canada were involved in a programme that reduced re-offending by an amazing amount (I read this in a book by secular social scientists) but what it involved was not being judgmental unlike nearly everyone on this thread
I think we need to realise how much the thinking of the world infects us sometimes, and search the scriptures for the words of Jesus

I’m not judging anyone. But, we need to be realistic. Jesus didn’t tell people to accept sin in their neighborhoods. Love the sinner–hate the sin. That’s all some are saying here. But, to each’s own, I suppose.

 

[Hellisreal]

I’m not judging anyone. But, we need to be realistic. Jesus didn’t tell people to accept sin in their neighborhoods. Love the sinner–hate the sin. That’s all some are saying here. But, to each’s own, I suppose.

You betcha! on top of the fact that we are in charge of these little children and have an obligation to care for their saftey and welfare.

I wouldnt mind a millstone tied to their necks with a monitor in it to track their movements.

Seriously, if this crime had ever been given serious jail time to begin with maybe there would have been far less offenders.

These creepos are getting out in a year or two.

 

[mesquite_magic]

Hello Kim!

Wow. I bet you are worried about that situation.

I know I cant make the call about his recieving the Eucharist. It seems to me that if he were truly trying to live a law abiding life, he could walk to Mass without even passing my house and avoid going out of his way 2 blocks just so he can pass the park that is smack in the middle of his alternate longer route. My husband has told the authorities he does this, the Priests, ect. But its usless, he could go the quickest route from his home but then he would miss out on the park and the numerous families with little kids on the 3 block stretch from where he turns onto my block and passses the park and gets to mass. So to me, I feel he is still casing kids. Why go out of your way if you have a problem to see them when you dont have to see so many going the Faster way?
I constantly check the internet for updates on offenders in my neighborhood. Yes, I tell my fellow neighbors about the updates to keep them alert!

I dont know why he does this unless to provoke parents.

Ahh, I’m sorry. I missed the part were he was going out of his way. We have laws were I live that a sex offender can’t come with-in 500 ft. of a school, daycare, or park. That doesn’t always stop them of course.

Kim

 

[whatevergirl]

You betcha! on top of the fact that we are in charge of these little children and have an obligation to care for their saftey and welfare.

I wouldnt mind a millstone tied to their necks with a monitor in it to track their movements.

Seriously, if this crime had ever been given serious jail time to begin with maybe there would have been far less offenders.

These creepos are getting out in a year or two.

The thing is, that if someone commits adultery (mortal sin) and someone else molests a kid (mortal sin) which is worse? We simply cannot judge. But, we have a right to feel somewhat safe in our neighborhoods. Again…I will say this again–our society doesn’t care about kids. (I’m talking judicial system) I say this because once abortion became legal…society started looking at kids as disposable. Yes, disposable. Expendable. And, as long as abortion is legal–we will continue to look at children’s rights as secondary to adults’ rights. Even a child molestor’s rights. A slippery slope that took its toll.

Reform needs to take place. Yes, there needs to be programs so rehabilitation can take place. I believe in helping criminals to better themselves…I am not a “lock em up throw away the key” type. But…I don’t believe that their ‘rights’ supercede the safety of children. Safety of people in general…should be paramount…let alone kids.

It’s hard to believe we are debating this issue? lol Oops…the topic is the death penalty for child molestors. Ok…sorry, we got off topic!! I do not believe in the death penalty in any sense…and not in this case.

Ok–off my soapbox.

 

[Hellisreal]

Ahh, I’m sorry. I missed the part were he was going out of his way. We have laws were I live that a sex offender can’t come with-in 500 ft. of a school, daycare, or park. That doesn’t always stop them of course.

Kim

Dont worry about that Kim.

But we too have those restrictions, yet they do not apply when the criminal is going to WORK or WORSHIP.

And shopping ect.

That is why my child will never go “hang out at the mall” with friends unless a parent is supervising that I think has their head on straight or I will go with them, all of them.

 

[Hellisreal]

The thing is, that if someone commits adultery (mortal sin) and someone else molests a kid (mortal sin) which is worse? We simply cannot judge. But, we have a right to feel somewhat safe in our neighborhoods. Again…I will say this again–our society doesn’t care about kids. (I’m talking judicial system) I say this because once abortion became legal…society started looking at kids as disposable. Yes, disposable. Expendable. And, as long as abortion is legal–we will continue to look at children’s rights as secondary to adults’ rights. Even a child molestor’s rights. A slippery slope that took its toll.

Reform needs to take place. Yes, there needs to be programs so rehabilitation can take place. I believe in helping criminals to better themselves…I am not a “lock em up throw away the key” type. But…I don’t believe that their ‘rights’ supercede the safety of children. Safety of people in general…should be paramount…let alone kids.

It’s hard to believe we are debating this issue? lol Oops…the topic is the death penalty for child molestors. Ok…sorry, we got off topic!! I do not believe in the death penalty in any sense…and not in this case.

Ok–off my soapbox.

I agree with everything you posted here except the adultery comparison.

I can speak from experience that as a “victim” of an adulterous situation (the one cheated on) I would go through that a million times before I would want my child to go through rape! The very thought is…

I mentioned millstones. Its in the bible for those who harm kids, and not mentioned for louses.

Sure, both things are mortal sins but we certainly do know which would be worse to go through dont we?

 

[DanteAlighieri]

This was one of the arguements against the proposal by, of all people, a TEXAN ( Sorry, Texans out there, but you DO have the reputation of being a tad…er…robust on the death penalty).

Having lived in Texas most of my life, I feel obligated to share this with you:

“No jury in the world would convict a baby [of murder]. Well, maybe Texas…”

Clancy Wiggum
Chief of Police, Springfield, USA

Peace,
Dante

 

[whatevergirl]

I agree with everything you posted here except the adultery comparison.

I can speak from experience that as a “victim” of an adulterous situation (the one cheated on) I would go through that a million times before I would want my child to go through rape! The very thought is…

I mentioned millstones. Its in the bible for those who harm kids, and not mentioned for louses.

Sure, both things are mortal sins but we certainly do know which would be worse to go through dont we?

Yes…I agree with you …but, let’s say a child molestor is repentant…and so is an adulterer…does a child molestor deserve salvation any less? I’m sorry…I’m going off topic.

 

[Hellisreal]

Yes…I agree with you …but, let’s say a child molestor is repentant…and so is an adulterer…does a child molestor deserve salvation any less? I’m sorry…I’m going off topic.

Well, lets look at this for a minute:

scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2267.htm

I kinda think that says volumes dont you?

edit to add—

I am not talking about salvation here.

That is only up to God.

 

[whatevergirl]

Well, lets look at this for a minute:

scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2267.htm

I kinda think that says volumes dont you?

let’s look at this in particular:

…however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people’s safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and are more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.

The thing is, non lethal methods can protect society. It’s the fact that they are not given stiffer sentences for the crime. I think it’s more an issue of incarceration sentences, than sentencing people to death. But, I appreciate you showing me that info…I admit, I didn’t know all that.

 

[Hellisreal]

let’s look at this in particular:

…however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people’s safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and are more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.

The thing is, non lethal methods can protect society. It’s the fact that they are not given stiffer sentences for the crime. I think it’s more an issue of incarceration sentences, than sentencing people to death. But, I appreciate you showing me that info…I admit, I didn’t know all that.

No problem, but this is why I feel that repeat offenders are a danger to society and should be locked up for life.

Or, the other option is …

 

[whatevergirl]

No problem, but this is why I feel that repeat offenders are a danger to society and should be locked up for life.

Or, the other option is …

my husband feels the same way you do…the latter option, in fact. i shutter to think that my husband would be the one behind bars should someone ever do such a thing to our children. i know he would take the law into his own hands.

 

[Hellisreal]

my husband feels the same way you do…the latter option, in fact. i shutter to think that my husband would be the one behind bars should someone ever do such a thing to our children. i know he would take the law into his own hands.

Well, I will pray for him. And myself, because I think I would literally loose my mind, and therefore, I think I could hire the same type of attorneys that they hire too. Mine would of course say, I was temporarily insane at the moment of the crime…

Watch out Child molesters and thieves of childhood.
The law can cut both ways you know…

 

[whatevergirl]

Well, I will pray for him. And myself, because I think I would literally loose my mind, and therefore, I think I could hire the same type of attorneys that they hire too. Mine would of course say, I was temporarily insane at the moment of the crime…

Watch out Child molesters and thieves of childhood.
The law can cut both ways you know…

ah…we are already coming up with a plea bargain? in all seriousness…i think it’s a very scary world…and we have to be overly cautious.

 

[mommyof4]

Sounds like life in prison will keep them away from children well enough, no need to murder them.

I agree.

 

[Cari]

The article was (if I remember correctly) specific about the penalty being applied only to repeat offenders. Since they’re labeled “repeat” that would imply that they’d been convicted of child rape once before. I would imagine that the rape of a child, no matter what state one lives in, would result in incarceration.

However, the fact that they did it again means they were released from prison.

I am not pro-death penalty (my personal solution to people who find it acceptable to do such things is, probably, much grimmer and not particularly Charitable), but this whole thing begs the question- why kill them for doing it again when they could have been kept behind bars in the first place?

It seems to me that states that are debating the death penalty for a second offense could just as easily make the first offense come with a stiffer (i.e. life sentence) penalty. Of course, that’s assuming that the criminal remains in the same state for both crimes, which wouldn’t have to happen…

…and as for the sex offender registration, here’s what my SIL, who is a cop, has told me about it:

1. after X number of years without any incidents, one can pay money to have one’s record expunged for statutory rape, in certain cases (i.e. a 18 year old having sex with his 15 year old girlfriend)
2. It’s the sex offenders who DON’T register when they move that you really have to worry about, and you’d never know if one’s living right next door to you right now.

 

[Hellisreal]

You are correct about those who do not register.
They can be anywhere. The law can only do so much, and obviously has not done much about this.

 

[jack_hawkins]

The reason why an equivalent of Megan’s Law has not been enacted in the UK is that children’s charities (amongst others) are against it. The compliance with registration for sex offenders in the US is significantly lower, in some states as low as 65%, compared to the UK which is about 97%.
Basically everyone should assume there is a sex offender in their locale as that will be generally be the case.
There is concern in the UK about the use of criminal record checks for an ever increasing range of jobs where the rationale seems extremely weak at times.

 

[Nordar]

Nobody is asking the public to invite sex offenders into their homes to live with them or even to converse with them.
The point is that some people can be rehabilitated and some cannot.
I am not disputing that there are repeat offenders, I am also not disputing that there are rehabilitated offenders that go on to live normal lives (as much as you can with that on your record).

I think the problem is that really no one knows what to do. but apply the logic to the rest of crime as well. If a person steals, can they not be rehabilitated? Some can and some cannot.
If a person murders, can they not be rehabilitated? Some can and some cannot.
We do not lock these people up for the rest of their lives and in most cases we certainly do not put them to death (depending on the nature of the murder charges).

The best thing that people can do is to educate their children on the dangers of talking to strangers, on looking for suspicious behavior, on what to do if a stranger or for that matter a family member or friend of the family touches you inappropriately, on what to do if someone tries to kidnap you.
Parents should be vigilant on their surroundings and of the surroundings of the children around them.

They should teach their children to avoid known sex offenders, not to antagonize them or harrass them. As we all know children can be very thoughtless and do stupid things. Rather than egg a sex offender on, they should be avoiding them.
Sometimes kids do some really stupid things and don’t think about the consequenses of their actions, after all they are only kids. But the point is, all of this can not hurt but only help to educate children on being aware of their sutrroundings and situations.
This in conjunction with monitoring of sex offenders by the state and the community, can certainly help to reduce the chances of repeat offenders.

Ofcourse no one is asking the public to invite sex offenders into their homes, what an absurd idea. No the point isn’t that some can be rehabilitated and some can’t. The point is that there are repeat offenders out there abusing and killing our children and should they or should they not get the death penalty. That’s the point. It does not have a thing to do with rehabilitation, if they have repeated their offense and abused and killed a child then it would seem that rehabilitation is moot!

Stealing is a far cry from child molestation and murder of a child during the crime of sexual offense. And the correlation between murderers not getting life and repeat sexual predators I am missing here.

Your next paragraphs are what really got to me nothing like blaming the parents and the children for the attacks. Children should NOT antagonize nor harrass sex offenders?.. Rather than egg sex offenders on, they should be avoiding them?..

Jessica Lunsford was asleep in her bed, when a repeat sexual predator went into her home took her out of that bed. He sexually assaulted her, raped her then buried her alive. How was she egging him on, she had never even met him? She is only one there are a long list of them who had never even met their killers or abusers.

 

[jack_hawkins]

Ofcourse no one is asking the public to invite sex offenders into their homes, what an absurd idea

err NO - you did - in fact you did even worse that that