Death Penalty for Gays?

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Hi all… I know the RCC says that homosexuality is gravely wrong and disorderd…

But it seems they stop short of the biblical commandment to kill them…

Leviticus clearly states they should be killed… in new testament it is described as crime worthy of death…

so should they be killed by government for their actions? or no?
 
No.

(and note it is better to use “Catholic Church” than RCC for there is more to the Catholic Church than the Roman …there are twenty some odd Eastern Churches that together with the Roman make up the Catholic Church)
 
One must remember that the times and culture of the Old Testament was very different…and partial etc.
 
Catechism regarding when the Death Penalty can be applied to a person:

2267 Assuming that the guilty party’s identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.

If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people’s safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.

Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense incapable of doing harm - without definitely taking away from him the possibility of redeeming himself - the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity "are very rare, if not practically nonexistent."68

scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c2a5.htm#I
 
" This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition." (CCC 2358)

(Catechism again).
 
HabemusFrancis said:
Leviticus clearly states they should be killed…?
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This is not true. The book of Leviticus gave a code for a specific people for a specific time. Unless one is an Israelite living in 2000 BC, there is no need to follow anything for the reason of being in Leviticus alone. (No stoning or sacrifing bulls or building of arks.)
 
“This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.” (CCC 2358)

(Catechism again).
 
HabemusFrancis said:
Hi all… I know the RCC says that homosexuality is gravely wrong and disorderd…

But it seems they stop short of the biblical commandment to kill them…

Leviticus clearly states they should be killed… in new testament it is described as crime worthy of death…

so should they be killed by government for their actions? or no?
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The same prohibitions and penalties were in force for adultery, as well. Should the government execute adulterers? The answer is obviously no.

The Lord’s commandments regarding these things were meant to keep Israel faithful to him and to their children. Although we do not need to go to such drastic lengths in our society, still we should note how seriously God takes such offences and realize that we will have to answer to him for committing sins against the human person of every kind.
 
Hmmm… kind of a related topic… but do you think God targeted gays with AIDS? it seems quite a lot of them have it…
 
HabemusFrancis said:
Hmmm… kind of a related topic… but do you think God targeted gays with AIDS? it seems quite a lot of them have it…
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“targeted?” I would not put it that way.

Many such things as AIDS are yes permitted as results from various decisions–as are other results permitted.

If a student does not study - he can fail his examine. If a husband cheats on his wife - the husband may get some sort of disease or his wife finds out and she leaves him…

A person eats steak each day and ends up with a heart attack…

Choices we make in life yes can have effects we do not want.

What we are to do is to live rightly in virtue and in right choices.

If one walks off a cliff --they are likely to hit the bottom below in an unpleasant experience.

Instead they should look for a bridge or avoid the cliff…
 
What? Is this a trolling topic? You can’t be serious. And if you are, I am really concerned for you.

Homosexuals are no more disordered than the rest of us. We all have an inclination towards sin, due to the effects of original sin, that is, concupiscence. Acting out on homosexuality is no worse than masturbation, fornication, using contraceptives, or any non-sexual grave sin to boot.

I can’t even fathom what you mean by “targeting” gays by using AIDS against them. It’s incomprehensible to a true Christian. That should tell you a lot.
 
I think you’ll find most Catholics don’t believe that God directly causes things like AIDS. He allows this fallen world to generate diseases by natural processes, but he does not create or target diseases to punish sinners!
 
Sacred Heart of Jesus have mercy
Sacred Heart of Jesus please hear our prayers

Hail Mary full of grace the Lord is with thee
blessed art thou amongst women
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus
Holy Mary Mother of God pray for us sinners
now and at the hour of our death
Amen

Our Father who art in heaven
hallowed be Thy name
Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done
on earth as it is in heaven
give us this day our daily bread
and forgive us our trespasses
as we forgive those who trespass against us
and lead us not into temptation
but deliver us from evil
Amen

In the name of the Father
and of the Son
and of the Holy Spirit
Amen
 
Indeed, this seems like baiting to me…clearly the Church does not teach that the strictures of Leviticus are to be followed today. If the OP were interested in an honest discussion they might have asked what the theological grounds are for the Church not doing so, the morality of some of the more brutal acts carried out by the Israelites in the OT, etc.
 
HabemusFrancis said:
Hi all… I know the RCC says that homosexuality is gravely wrong and disorderd…

But it seems they stop short of the biblical commandment to kill them…

Leviticus clearly states they should be killed… in new testament it is described as crime worthy of death…

so should they be killed by government for their actions? or no?
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Absolutly NOT.
 
tominrichmondva said:
Don’t feed the anti-Christian troll, folks.
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It is not feeding to just say “no”. I will not say that there is no such thing as a stupid question. I have heard plenty of those. However, these are good questions, as there are Christians that have mades such statements about AIDS and there is a tendency to read something that is millenia old without taking the audience and context into effect. I think it is fair to ask if this sort of fundamentalist mindset exists in Catholics.

But no, the Church does not want to kill homosexuals or celebrate AIDS as some sort of divine retribution. Physical evil, be it AIDS or a cold exists in our fallen world because things are broken. These things are not punishments of God.

I like this answer from Peter Kreeft (realize this is just a snipet of the explanation)
Let’s step back a bit. We began with the mystery, not just of suffering but of suffering in a world supposedly created by a loving God. How to get God off the hook? God’s answer is Jesus. Jesus is not God off the hook but God on the hook. That’s why the doctrine of the divinity of Christ is crucial: If that is not God there on the cross but only a good man, then God is not on the hook, on the cross, in our suffering. And if God is not on the hook, then God is not off the hook. How could he sit there in heaven and ignore our tears?

There is, as we saw, one good reason for not believing in God: evil. And God himself has answered this objection not in words but in deeds and in tears. Jesus is the tears of God.
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peterkreeft.com/topics/suffering.htm
 
HabemusFrancis said:
Hi all… I know the RCC says that homosexuality is gravely wrong and disorderd…

But it seems they stop short of the biblical commandment to kill them…

Leviticus clearly states they should be killed… in new testament it is described as crime worthy of death…

so should they be killed by government for their actions? or no?
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No ! …and AIDS is not a punishment sent by God to gays.
 
HabemusFrancis said:
Hmmm… kind of a related topic… but do you think God targeted gays with AIDS? it seems quite a lot of them have it…
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Do your research and soon you will find that AIDS is not target to a particular group of people, regardless of age, gender or any other social or demographic factor.
HabemusFrancis said:
so should they be killed by government for their actions? or no?
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vatican.va/roman_curia/secretariat_state/2008/documents/rc_seg-st_20081218_statement-sexual-orientation_en.html
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The Holy See continues to advocate that every sign of unjust discrimination towards homosexual persons should be avoided and urges States to do away with criminal penalties against them.
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At last, if you have any kind of prejudice towards homosexuals or worse homophobia, please seek help and get information urgently. It is not normal to have these ideas, if you have access to the Internet and you had basic education. There is people who don’t have access to this information, but if you are posting here, you clearly could do better than that. Cheers
 
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