Death Penalty = Pro choice

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Why is it that people who are in the deep south (Texas) support the death penalty and say they are pro life? :confused:
 
Why is it that people who are in the deep south (Texas) support the death penalty and say they are pro life? :confused:
For the same reason people who are in the deep south (Texas) support the military, support self defense and support use of deadly force by law enforcement when it is needed.

Any other questions?😉

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Tim
 
Why is it that people who are in the deep south (Texas) support the death penalty and say they are pro life? :confused:
Because the bible says Thou Shalt not Murder, not Thou Shalt not Kill.

The taking of an innocent life is murder. The taking of a murderer’s life is killing. Please do not condone me for this position. I am simply explaining why many people are Anti-Abortion and Pro Death Penalty.
 
Why is it that people who are in the deep south (Texas) support the death penalty and say they are pro life? :confused:
People who condone the death penalty are riding on the belief that such a severe penalty well advertised would be a deterrent to crime (especially violent crime).

I heard a claim that one city would cut the power for a few seconds (except street lights and emergency usage) every time a criminal was executed. Supposedly this reminder resulted in a drop of the crime.

Ironically, thieves were once executed by public hanging. These hangings were where the most stealing occurred.
 
To me its all hypocrisy.
Then you disagree with the Magisterium of the Church. But I see that by labeling yourself as an “independent Catholic” you may have a pattern of that.

You asked a question - it has been answered. Were you trying to learn something, or just provoke a disagreement by asking your question?

~Liza
 
To me its all hypocrisy.
Which? Supporting the military? Use of deadly force by law enforcement when it is necessary? Self defense?

From the Catechism:
Catechism of the Catholic Church:
2267 Assuming that the guilty party’s identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.
If the Church allows the death penalty, even if in very limited circumstances (as noted in the Catechism - "the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity “are very rare, if not practically nonexistent.”), one cannot call the death penalty a moral evil. Abortion, on the other hand, is always a moral evil. Again, from the Catechism:
Catechism of the Catholic Church:
2271 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law:
How do you equate the two?

Peace

Tim
 
Which? Supporting the military? Use of deadly force by law enforcement when it is necessary? Self defense?

From the Catechism:

If the Church allows the death penalty, even if in very limited circumstances (as noted in the Catechism - "the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity “are very rare, if not practically nonexistent.”), one cannot call the death penalty a moral evil. Abortion, on the other hand, is always a moral evil. Again, from the Catechism:

How do you equate the two?

Peace

Tim
This does not follow. What I think you mean is that the death penalty does not appear to be an intrinsic moral evil. It can still be an extrinsic moral evil, and the general guidance of the Church seems to point to it being just that in most cases in the modern world.
 
I’ll take ‘Because they are Hypocrites like anyone else who calls themselves Pro-Life but what they really mean Pro-Prenatal-Child-Life’ for $300 Alex! 👍
 
Then you disagree with the Magisterium of the Church. But I see that by labeling yourself as an “independent Catholic” you may have a pattern of that.

You asked a question - it has been answered. Were you trying to learn something, or just provoke a disagreement by asking your question?

~Liza
It isnt pro life to kill someone for killing someone. Isnt that why you always see priest protesting outside prisons to stop the execution? The Pope just praised what state was it Iowa? who just dropped execution. 🤷
 
This does not follow. What I think you mean is the death penalty does not appear to be an intrinsic moral evil. It can still be an extrinsic moral evil, and the general guidance of the Church seems to point to it being just that in most cases in the modern world.
And yet the Church still allows for the use of the death penalty if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor. Just as the Church allows the use of deadly force by law enforcement or in self defense. However, one can never justify an abortion. Ever. To equate the two is wrong.

Peace

Tim
 
To me, who does consider himself both pro-life and pro death penalty, it’s a question of innocence, public safety and justice. There is a HUGE difference between taking the life of an innocent unborn child and putting to death a serial killer or something.
 
To me, who does consider himself both pro-life and pro death penalty, it’s a question of innocence, public safety and justice. There is a HUGE difference between taking the life of an innocent unborn child and putting to death a serial killer or something.
As someone who considers himself both pro-life and is opposed to the death penalty, I agree with you.

Peace

Tim
 
To me, who does consider himself both pro-life and pro death penalty, it’s a question of innocence, public safety and justice. There is a HUGE difference between taking the life of an innocent unborn child and putting to death a serial killer or something.
How do you know that the person you are putting to death is not innocent? Exp: your savior Jesus, was innocent, but according to politics and society he was guilty,plus what about second chance for people to “repent” or to become better?!
 
How do you know that the person you are putting to death is not innocent? Exp: your savior Jesus, was innocent, but according to politics and society he was guilty,plus what about second chance for people to “repent” or to become better?!
There is a huge difference between Jesus and a murderer on death row. If you solid, incontrovertible proof of guilt, then I have zero problem with executing them.

And most people who are executed have ample time to repent.
 
I’ll take ‘Because they are Hypocrites like anyone else who calls themselves Pro-Life but what they really mean Pro-Prenatal-Child-Life’ for $300 Alex! 👍
Yes, because anyone who supports the death penalty/opposes abortion must automatically be a hypocrite. There you go, you’ve summed up an argument that has been boiling for decades.

No, people can be both pro-death penalty and pro-life. Regardless of what you think, there is no hypocrisy in believing that.
 
There is a huge difference between Jesus and a murderer on death row. If you solid, incontrovertible proof of guilt, then I have zero problem with executing them.

And most people who are executed have ample time to repent.
From what I was taught in school and church we all are apart of Jesus, right? so isnt he in all of us?

So there isnt a big difference you are just as guilty as the man who took someone’s life.
You have blood on your hands as well for taking that mans life.
 
From what I was taught in school and church we all are apart of Jesus, right? so isnt he in all of us?

So there isnt a big difference you are just as guilty as the man who took someone’s life.
You have blood on your hands as well for taking that mans life.
I have no idea how to respond to what you just said. It makes no sense.

Best of luck to you.
 
If a person supports the death penalty and an innocent person is put to death, that blood is on your hands. You can blame the courts and others all you want to, but at the end of the day, an innocent person is still dead and you were still a part of it. All I can say is at the end of my life I am glad I do not have to answer to God for that blood.

Pax :signofcross:
 
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