Death Talk for Seniors

[Cal_Catholic]

Worst Suspicions Confirmed

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[Mark77]

**We are all a drain on society’s resources. Soon most of us will be eliminated so the healthy, productive ones can thrive!

(Sounds like the age old mantra from every age, Greeks, Romans, Huns, Communists, Nazis, and now “PROGRESSIVES”!**

**But it’s OK! The battle has already been won!!!

We are just that much closer to eternal bliss with Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior, in Heaven!**

Thank You Obama and Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid and Barney Frank…

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!

mark

 

[rtconstant]

Good grief it just never stops. The plan allows for voluntary consultation on treatment options. This has been covered by federal dollars for 20 years. There are things to not like about HR 3200, but lets object to what’s actually there.

 

[rpp]

Good grief it just never stops. The plan allows for voluntary consultation on treatment options. This has been covered by federal dollars for 20 years. There are things to not like about HR 3200, but lets object to what’s actually there.

Dude, you clearly do NOT know what is really happening out there.

I was actually IN THE ROOM when my mother’s former doctor tried to convince my Mom that she really should not be going to the hospital when she had heart symptoms because “it deprives others of the limited resources of Medicare”. He was actually counseling her to DIE.

More than that, he insisted in creating a “living will” in which she would not accept life saving tratment. He filled out the questionaire for her saying she did not want any medical care or food and hydration, should she need it. (It is an Oregon form.) My mother quite correctly refused to sign it and I actually took it from the doctors hands and tore it up. he was incensed that my moyther did not simply want to die.

Wake up and realize that there are people doing great evil out there and some of them have MD after their name. Get out of your leftist haze and realize that YOU will be targeted for elimination when you are deemed “unproductive”.

 

[rtconstant]

Dude, you clearly do NOT know what is really happening out there.

I was actually IN THE ROOM when my mother’s former doctor tried to convince my Mom that she really should not be going to the hospital when she had heart symptoms because “it deprives others of the limited resources of Medicare”. He was actually counseling her to DIE.

More than that, he insisted in creating a “living will” in which she would not accept life saving tratment. He filled out the questionaire for her saying she did not want any medical care or food and hydration, should she need it. (It is an Oregon form.) My mother quite correctly refused to sign it and I actually took it from the doctors hands and tore it up. he was incensed that my moyther did not simply want to die.

Wake up and realize that there are people doing great evil out there and some of them have MD after their name. Get out of your leftist haze and realize that YOU will be targeted for elimination when you are deemed “unproductive”.

Accuracy is leftist? That’s an interesting assertion. You also realize that you just confirmed what I said right?

 

[aicirt]

I highly recommend Silent Witness re. Terry Schiavo by Mark Furhman. This woman never asked for this. How the home where she died wasn’t charged with institutional abuse is beyond me. You could not do to an animal, terrorist or criminal what WE did to that woman. And it could happen to YOU.

 

[rpp]

Accuracy is leftist? That’s an interesting assertion. You also realize that you just confirmed what I said right?

I confirmed nothing. If I had not snatched that paper from the doc, against his will, that would have been put in my mom’s medical file., against her will.

By the way, the USACCB has announced their opposition for, among other reasons, this very provision.

 

[rtconstant]

I confirmed nothing. If I had not snatched that paper from the doc, against his will, that would have been put in my mom’s medical file., against her will.

By the way, the USACCB has announced their opposition for, among other reasons, this very provision.

My point was that this isn’t anything new. The event you’re speaking of did happen in the past correct? The current legislation isn’t introducing anything new. Your mom’s physician showed his colors and pushed his views. He was free to do that then and he’s free to do that now. The point is why are people NOW having a problem with it? You speak of hazes where was all of this clarity for the last 20 years?

Anyway, of course the Bishops are against it, they’ve always been against living wills and not taking all opportunities to retain life. That is nothing new. However, the patients have been given the right to that information by the federal government for the last 20 years.

 

[rpp]

OK, I’m trying to be sensitive to the fact that you’re emotional about this

I stopped reading after this gross insult.

Classic leftie. You attack the person, and not the issue. Clearly you have no factual or moral basis for your opinions. Your personal atacks against me and the Catholic Church rather than discussing the fact absolutely shows bith the falsehood and the utter moral vacuum of you position.

Stay away from me and keep your sick and anti-Catholic opinions to yourself. I doubt you are too stupid to know that I live in a state where euthanasia is legal.

I have added you to my very short Ignore list as I am disgusted by your anti-Catholic views, and your gleeful support of the culture of death. (I did notice you have not made any friends on this site.)

You posts are profoundly anti-Catholic. That you claim to be Catholic is, well, unlike you, I am too charitable to complete that sentence.

 

[rtconstant]

I stopped reading after this gross insult.

Classic leftie. You attack the person, and not the issue. Clearly you have no factual or moral basis for your opinions. Your personal atacks against me and the Catholic Church rather than discussing the fact absolutely shows bith the falsehood and the utter moral vacuum of you position.

Stay away from me and keep your sick and anti-Catholic opinions to yourself. I doubt you are too stupid to know that I live in a state where euthanasia is legal.

I have added you to my very short Ignore list as I am disgusted by your anti-Catholic views, and your gleeful support of the culture of death. (I did notice you have not made any friends on this site.)

You posts are profoundly anti-Catholic. That you claim to be Catholic is, well, unlike you, I am too charitable to complete that sentence.

Excuse me? You attacked me! Learn to be civil or don’t post.

 

[Eric_Hilbert]

**Let’s keep personal remarks and name calling out of the discussion. **

 

[Bluegoat]

My point was that this isn’t anything new. The event you’re speaking of did happen in the past correct? The current legislation isn’t introducing anything new. Your mom’s physician showed his colors and pushed his views. He was free to do that then and he’s free to do that now. The point is why are people NOW having a problem with it? You speak of hazes where was all of this clarity for the last 20 years?

Anyway, of course the Bishops are against it, they’ve always been against living wills and not taking all opportunities to retain life. That is nothing new. However, the patients have been given the right to that information by the federal government for the last 20 years.

No doctor is supposed to push his view on the patient like this, of course. And as far as I can see there is nothing that ever condoned it, or would under the new rules. Of course sometimes doctors and patients have communication problems and wires get crossed.

But a living will is in itself is not a bad thing. It simply lays out what the patient does or does not want done in the case that he can’t say. And the CC doesn’t teach that patients always have to accept all treatments. It does allow that there are times when continuing treatment can actually be a violation of the dignity of the human being.

These are important things for people to talk to their doctors about for a lot of reasons. One is the doctor can give the medical implications of various situations that most people don’t know about. Also, they usually have some idea of services like palliative care etc available (though in some cases an expert in such issues is a better person to approach.) And finally, having a good talk with your doctor helps him really understand where you are coming from so he can provide the right kind of advice to you.