Death to those who reveal inner chaple LDS practices.

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My wife was reading a book by a former LDS woman. She was describing some of the secrete practices within the inner chaple of the Mormon Church during her wedding. She describes how she had to state that she would not reveal inner chaple secrets or else and then motion her finger accross her throat indicating death.

Right now I do not have the book or my wife to clarify this exactly. Does anyone know of this death to those who reveal Mormon inner chaple secrets?
 
A lot of the secret temple rituals are strikingly similar to Free Masonry. Joseph Smith was a Mason prior to starting Mormonism, by the way.
 
Steven Merten:
My wife was reading a book by a former LDS woman. She was describing some of the secrete practices within the inner chaple of the Mormon Church during her wedding. She describes how she had to state that she would not reveal inner chaple secrets or else and then motion her finger accross her throat indicating death.

Right now I do not have the book or my wife to clarify this exactly. Does anyone know of this death to those who reveal Mormon inner chaple secrets?
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This was part of the temple ceremony some years back but I understand that particular part of it has been removed. It was a pledge that if you did reveal the temple secrets you would be killed. That said, I don’t believe anyone in the history of the church has ever actually been killed for revealing temple secrets.

It is also my understanding that this pledge was quite similar to the masonic pledge in terms of substance and style. I’m sure our LDS friends will correct me if I have erred in any of my statements.
 
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arieh0310:
A lot of the secret temple rituals are strikingly similar to Free Masonry. Joseph Smith was a Mason prior to starting Mormonism, by the way.
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Actually he became a Mason after he started the LDS Church.
 
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Tmaque:
Actually he became a Mason after he started the LDS Church.
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Wow! Did the golden tablets tell Joseph Smith to go join the Masons? One would think that if Joseph Smith had any contact with God at all, as LDS believe, he would have been spiritually inspired not to join the Masons. Then again even a little common sence would have told him not to join the Masons. Do LDS members question Joseph Smith’s judgement or spiritual guidance or is that not allowed in their organization?
 
Steven Merten:
Wow! Did the golden tablets tell Joseph Smith to go join the Masons? One would think that if Joseph Smith had any contact with God at all, as LDS believe, he would have been spiritually inspired not to join the Masons. Then again even a little common sence would have told him not to join the Masons. Do LDS members question Joseph Smith’s judgement or spiritual guidance or is that not allowed in their organization?
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I suspect most LDS do not know that Joseph Smith was ever a Mason. And, most would not believe it even if confronted by the evidence.
 
I won’t present the evidence. It might offend someone. 😃 There are some anti-Masonic implications in the BOM, even though there was a Masonic Temple 😉 in Nauvoo. Again, he contradicted himself.
Then again even a little common sense would have told him not to join the Masons
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Shriners are Masons. They do do good. Nothing is all good, or all bad-- just degrees of both. Because we have alternatives, and they have anti-Catholic roots and attitudes, we do not participate. I don’t think we have any right to condemn Masonry-- for others.
 
Steven Merten:
My wife was reading a book by a former LDS woman. She was describing some of the secrete practices within the inner chaple of the Mormon Church during her wedding. She describes how she had to state that she would not reveal inner chaple secrets or else and then motion her finger accross her throat indicating death.

Right now I do not have the book or my wife to clarify this exactly. Does anyone know of this death to those who reveal Mormon inner chaple secrets?
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I believe the book you are referring to is called “Secret Ceremonies,” and is the autobiography of a former LDS woman and her experiences with LDS culture and her temple marriage in particular. Quite interesting. Certainly not done in a mean tone from what I can remember. She was married in the temple before the 1980 changes which got rid of some of the stranger aspects of the temple marriage ceremony, including the acting out of disembowling and throat cutting as a consequence of revealing temple secrets.
 
These oaths were another Masonic borrowing and relics of the days of the Danites. However, I understand that there are other Mormons secrets that they cover, not just secrets relevant to Temple ceremonies.
 
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Jerusha:
These oaths were another Masonic borrowing and relics of the days of the Danites. However, I understand that there are other Mormons secrets that they cover, not just secrets relevant to Temple ceremonies.
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No, the only secrets they cover are related to the temple ceremonies.
 
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Chris-WA:
I believe the book you are referring to is called “Secret Ceremonies,” and is the autobiography of a former LDS woman and her experiences with LDS culture and her temple marriage in particular. Quite interesting. Certainly not done in a mean tone from what I can remember. She was married in the temple before the 1980 changes which got rid of some of the stranger aspects of the temple marriage ceremony, including the acting out of disembowling and throat cutting as a consequence of revealing temple secrets.
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Hello Chris,

“Quite interesting” is what my wife said. I had forgotten the part about disembowling. Possibly the Koran influenced Joseph Smith as well?
 
Muslims and LDS are in extreme opposition, although there are some superficial similarities. I think he may have incorporated some rumors about Muslim beliefs into his religion.
 
SMith took from anything anti Catholic, and therefore anti Christ.

whether it be masons, adventism, protestantism etc.
 
Steven Merten:
My wife was reading a book by a former LDS woman. She was describing some of the secrete practices within the inner chaple of the Mormon Church during her wedding. She describes how she had to state that she would not reveal inner chaple secrets or else and then motion her finger accross her throat indicating death.

Right now I do not have the book or my wife to clarify this exactly. Does anyone know of this death to those who reveal Mormon inner chaple secrets?
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Mormon chapels and the Mormon Tabernacle should never be confused with the various LDS temples. It is only in the temples that so-called ‘sacred’ ceremonies are performed which cannot be discussed with the general public. Pretty much everything which goes on in an LDS chapel can be readily observed, with the exception of personal interviews and counseling.

It is said that the ‘bloody penalties’ of Temple ceremonies have been removed. It should be noted that Joseph Smith began his church with a rather jaundiced view of Freemasonry–the book of Mormon was quite anti-Masonic, actually. “Secret combinations” (a colloquial term for secret societies) are painted in the blackest of hues throughout the BOM. Over time, some of Smith’s converts and associates seem to have had Masonic connections and persuaded Smith to join. He soon received ‘revelations’ suggesting that Masonic rituals are corruptions of rituals actually given to Adam by God, and in Smith’s own grand manner, he proceeded to receive from God Almighty a ‘restored’ version of these rituals for the benefit of the Latter-Day Saints.
 
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papist1:
SMith took from anything anti Catholic, and therefore anti Christ.

whether it be masons, adventism, protestantism etc.
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Smith was not particularly anti-Catholic. British and American Freemasonry is not anti-Catholic, though some versions of Grand Orient or Continental Freemasonry seem to have been so. And the Adventists had not yet come along when Smith was martyred.
 
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papist1:
SMith took from anything anti Catholic, and therefore anti Christ.

whether it be masons, adventism, protestantism etc.
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I rather doubt it. I don’t think Smith had Catholicism as his sole point. I think he just rather thought he could do a better job then Jesus Christ. That’s all. I don’t believe there was any competition in churches, only in Gods.
 
Much of America at that point in history was anti-Catholic. His fiercest opponent in the Nauvoo area, Thomas Sharp, was anti-Catholic as well. It was really nothing new or different given the social attitudes at the time.
 
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Tmaque:
I suspect most LDS do not know that Joseph Smith was ever a Mason. And, most would not believe it even if confronted by the evidence.
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I don’t know if that is true. The first several presidents of the church were Masons and Brigham Young proudly wore his Masonic lapel pin his entire life. Anyway, this is a topic I found very interesting and I’ve read quite a bit on the topic, though I don’t claim to be an expert on Free Masonry.

There are almost as many anti-mason websites that distribute misinformation as there are anti-mormon websites. If you’re interested in a fair and balanced approach there is a good site here: www.masonicmoroni.com which has a wealth of information on the connection between Mormonism and Free Masonry. The owner is both LDS and a Mason.
 
Regarding the so called “bloody penalties” of the LDS temple ceremony I’m hesitant to say anything. However, I will just caution you that they are/were not what many have characterized them to be on the internet. Note that in ancient Israel animal sacrifices were sanctioned by God and were symbolic of the sacrifice of the Lamb of God, Jesus Christ. The specifics of how the sacrifices were made according to the Law of Moses were symbolic even down to specific cuts of the animal which were symbolic of covenants between Jehovah and Israel. To an outsider these animal sacrifices must have looked brutal, bloody and barbaric. However, they were sanctioned by God and meant to help Israel remember their Messiah and to recognize him when he arrived as Jesus Christ. Such it is with our temple ceremonies and the so called “penalties”. People that have never been to an LDS temple (and in my experience many that have been) are unlikely to understand. Jesus spoke in parables that those that were prepared might understand and those that were not would not. For LDS members, out temple ceremonies are the same. Those that are truly prepared will understand and those that are not will not.
 
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