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Does anyone know of any good debates on audio (preferably free on the internet) between a Catholic Apologist and a SSPX, Sedevacantist or other schismatic traditionalist? I’m curious to find out more of the traditionalist thinking and reasons for leaving the Church and how Catholics can counter their positions. I know a great website full of talks and debates bringyou.to/apologetics/audio.htm but there’s nothing on there about schismatic traditionalists.
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There are many such debates online, just Google your intended topic. I came from a sedevacantist parish and know they have debates online. I won’t list these here for fear of being booted…
 
Does anyone know of any good debates on audio (preferably free on the internet) between a Catholic Apologist and a SSPX, Sedevacantist or other schismatic traditionalist? I’m curious to find out more of the traditionalist thinking and reasons for leaving the Church and how Catholics can counter their positions. I know a great website full of talks and debates bringyou.to/apologetics/audio.htm but there’s nothing on there about schismatic traditionalists.
Thank you!
Jerry
SSPX has not “left the church”
 
debates not-with-standing, a reading of canon 6 or the 1983 code of canon law, states that the canon law of 1917 is now reprobated. if in fact, canon law of 1917 was the law until the promulgation of the canon law of 1983, the earlier laws were in full force and effect until then. going to the vatican website or on a search engine, access and read “praestantia scripturae sacrae” moto propio, and pay close attention to the part that talks about excommunications salvis poenis and latae sententiae. after that take two aspirin and call your psychiatrist. ( : have a good year. (alih) 👍
 
Yes, any debates or refutations against sedevacantists or traditionalists who have separated themselves from the Vicar of Christ would be valuable. I could use the help in my debates.
 
SSPX has not “left the church”
In fact the Church has declared such through Cardinal Hoyos, the head of the Ecclesia Dei Commission.

When will we stop going further in our accusations than the Church Herself does?
 
debates not-with-standing, a reading of canon 6 or the 1983 code of canon law, states that the canon law of 1917 is now reprobated. if in fact, canon law of 1917 was the law until the promulgation of the canon law of 1983, the earlier laws were in full force and effect until then. going to the vatican website or on a search engine, access and read “praestantia scripturae sacrae” moto propio, and pay close attention to the part that talks about excommunications salvis poenis and latae sententiae. after that take two aspirin and call your psychiatrist. ( : have a good year. (alih) 👍
PRAESTANTIA SCRIPTURAE

Motu proprio of Our Most Holy Lord Pius X., by Divine Providence Pope, on the decisions of the Pontifical Commission on the Bible and on the censures and penalties against those who neglect to observe the prescriptions against the errors of the modernists:
…Wherefore we find it necessary to declare and to expressly prescribe, and by this our act we do declare and decree that all are bound in conscience to submit to the decisions of the Biblical Commission relating to doctrine, which have been given in the past and which shall be given in the future, in the same way as to the decrees of the Roman congregations approved by the Pontiff; nor can all those escape the note of disobedience or temerity, and consequently of grave sin, who in speech or writing contradict such decisions, and this besides the scandal they give and the other reasons for which they may be responsible before God for other temerities and errors which generally go with such contradictions.
Moreover, in order to check the daily increasing audacity of many modernists who are endeavoring by all kinds of sophistry and devices to detract from the force and efficacy not only of the decree “Lamentabili sane exitu” (the so-called Syllabus), issued by our order by the Holy Roman and Universal Inquisition on July 3 of the present year, but also of our encyclical letters “Pascendi dominici gregis” given on September 8 of this same year, we do by our apostolic authority repeat and confirm both that decree of the Supreme Sacred Congregation and those encyclical letters of ours, adding the penalty of excommunication against their contradictors, and this we declare and decree that should anybody, which may God forbid, be so rash as to defend any one of the propositions, opinions or teachings condemned in these documents he falls, ipso facto, under the censure contained under the chapter “Docentes” of the constitution “Apostolicae Sedis,” which is the first among the excommunications latae sententiae, simply reserved to the Roman Pontiff. This excommunication is to be understood as salvis poenis, which may be incurred by those who have violated in any way the said documents, as propagators and defenders of heresies, when their propositions, opinions and teachings are heretical, as has happened more than once in the case of the adversaries of both these documents, especially when they advocate the errors of the modernists that is, the synthesis of all heresies.
 
nice job!!! now the question must be asked,to whom should this apply and when? have a good year. (alih)👍
 
From my experience and understanding, the SSPX are down for ritual, rules, regulations, and believe God plays a guessing game, rather than what’s in a person’s heart. They remind me of the Pharisses of Jesus’ era.

Oh boy, I’m probably goingto get attacked now.
 
From my experience and understanding, the SSPX are down for ritual, rules, regulations, and believe God plays a guessing game, rather than what’s in a person’s heart. They remind me of the Pharisses of Jesus’ era.

Oh boy, I’m probably goingto get attacked now.
I don’t know, The Catholic, but I think it might be unfortunate if anyone attacked you for expressing your “experience and understanding.”

I would, however be interested in understanding exactly what you mean by the SSPX “are down for ritual, rules, regulations” and especially what you mean by saying that they “believe God plays a guessing game, rather than what’s in person’s heart.”

I have had only fantastic experiences with the SSPX. But our Priest’s heart seems to be larger than the Chapel in which he celebrates the Mass for us. And he’s quite human, too. He is the only member of the Society I have met personally. (We laypeople are not members of the Society, as it is a Priestly Society.)
 
SSPX has not "left the church"

Then why do they have a “St. Charles Borromeo Canonical Commission” that gives dispensations reserved to the Pope?
 
From my experience and understanding, the SSPX are down for ritual, rules, regulations, and believe God plays a guessing game, rather than what’s in a person’s heart. They remind me of the Pharisses of Jesus’ era.

Oh boy, I’m probably goingto get attacked now.
No, not from me. I’ll just ask you to be more specific as to what you might mean here. They use the old Baltimore Catechism, St. Joseph Catechism, etc. Is that what you mean?

SFD
 
nice job!!! now the question must be asked,to whom should this apply and when? have a good year. (alih)👍
Have you noticed that everyone seems to ignore you every time you bring up this issue? Do they not understand the significance of it or is it just too much to consider?

SFD
 
Does anyone know of any good debates on audio (preferably free on the internet) between a Catholic Apologist and a SSPX, Sedevacantist or other schismatic traditionalist? I’m curious to find out more of the traditionalist thinking and reasons for leaving the Church and how Catholics can counter their positions. I know a great website full of talks and debates
Rather than listen to what others without authority say in debate, why not go to the documents?

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=269697
 
Rather than listen to what others without authority say in debate, why not go to the documents.
Because the entire problem is that we cannot trust those in authority. If you bishop appears to be a wolf in shepherd’s clothing…you don’t only ask him for the explanation of why his feet are hairy with claws.

You don’t see any problem, newton…so you only look as deep as you see fit. In more normal times, your position would be correct.

SFD
 
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