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I_Thirst
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On what day does your local ECC observe the Feast of the Conception by St Anna of the Most Holy Theotokos?
My local UGCC is Dec 9.
Oops! I voted Dec 8.
My local UGCC is Dec 9.
Oops! I voted Dec 8.
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Formosus
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It’s December 9th for the entire UGCC.
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5Loaves
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It’s on the calendar Dec 9, but not “observed”. 
I’m curious, who observes it on the 8th?
I’m curious, who observes it on the 8th?
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Vico
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Not obligatory for the Byzantine Church. The Byzantine wall calendar we use has Materinity of The Holy Anna (Solemn) on Dec 8 but also notes for Dec 9: “In other Byzantine traditions, Feast of the Maternity of the Holy Anna.”
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I_Thirst
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In the typikon for the Eparchy of Stamford (UGCC), it says Dec 8.It’s on the calendar Dec 9, but not “observed”.
I’m curious, who observes it on the 8th?
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ConstantineTG
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On the beginning part of the book “Divine Liturgy: An Anthology for Worship”, some basics of the Ukrainian Catholic faith is laid out. There is says the Conception by St. Anne of the Theotokos is December 9, however in North America it may be celebrated on the 8th to celebrate in unison with our Roman Catholic brethren.
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BusterMartin
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My local Ruthenian parish has DL at 7pm on the 8th.
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I_Thirst
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I read that too!
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ConstantineTG
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December 8 should be “Force Western praxis on Eastern Catholics Day”
So many RCs today I’m coming in contact with that cannot accept the East has a different tradition when it comes to Mary’s conception. With the usual claims of “schismatic”, “anti-Pope”, etc.
So many RCs today I’m coming in contact with that cannot accept the East has a different tradition when it comes to Mary’s conception. With the usual claims of “schismatic”, “anti-Pope”, etc.
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I_Thirst
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That’s just crazy!December 8 should be “Force Western praxis on Eastern Catholics Day”
So many RCs today I’m coming in contact with that cannot accept the East has a different tradition when it comes to Mary’s conception. With the usual claims of “schismatic”, “anti-Pope”, etc.
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ConstantineTG
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My usual response is, “the Pope knows about it and he’s fine with it. I don’t know why you’re blowing your top over it.”That’s just crazy!
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Volodymyr
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Conception by Righteous Anna of the All-Holy Mother of God (Dec 22 new style, Dec 9 old style)
This feast is perhaps different from Roman Catholic day December 8 which when show pictures of “Immaculate Conception” show picture of grown woman Holy Mary. Our ikon is more to point - those shown are Ioakim and Anna in hugging.
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why you call this conception of Mary - such woman floating in air:
Ikon of Orthodox is more to show feast as it is, yes?
This feast is perhaps different from Roman Catholic day December 8 which when show pictures of “Immaculate Conception” show picture of grown woman Holy Mary. Our ikon is more to point - those shown are Ioakim and Anna in hugging.
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why you call this conception of Mary - such woman floating in air:
Ikon of Orthodox is more to show feast as it is, yes?
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PrayForMeStJude
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Even though the tittle of that painting is the Immaculate Conception, it seems to me to be representing either the assumption or simply Mary in heaven. It, like most Latin depictions of Mary, is based on the description of Mary from Revelation, standing on the moon, etc.
The reasonsee we sometimes depict the Immaculate conception this way is because of our different emphasis. For us, the Immaculate Conception is not just an event which took place, it is a title for Mary herself. Mary IS the Immaculate Conception. So technically any image of Mary is an image of the Immaculate Conception.
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ByzCathCantor
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The Byzantine Catholic Ruthenian Church in the US celebrates this feast on December 8th, even though it is noted that the feast is properly celebrated on the 9th in our tradition.
Why?
The Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception in Washington, D.C. is “dedicated to the patroness of the United States—the Blessed Virgin Mary under her title of the Immaculate Conception” (quote from the Basilica’s website).
Some may know that the Byzantine-Ruthenians have a beautiful chapel in that very Basilica, the archetecture of which is distinctly Byzantine-influenced throughout (note the dome from the exterior view of the Basilica, under which is a mosaic of Christ the Pantocrator).
As it was explained to me by a priest regarded as an expert on our church calendar, we observe the feast on the 8th in the US only in solidarity with our Latin Rite brothers and sisters, given as mentioned above the designation of Mary, the Immaculate Conception, as patroness of the United States.
Although we refer to this feast as the Conception of St. Anna, it is the same feast in essence. Our reflection on the “Immaculate Conception” is, of course, from an Eastern Christian perspective.
Why?
The Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception in Washington, D.C. is “dedicated to the patroness of the United States—the Blessed Virgin Mary under her title of the Immaculate Conception” (quote from the Basilica’s website).
Some may know that the Byzantine-Ruthenians have a beautiful chapel in that very Basilica, the archetecture of which is distinctly Byzantine-influenced throughout (note the dome from the exterior view of the Basilica, under which is a mosaic of Christ the Pantocrator).
As it was explained to me by a priest regarded as an expert on our church calendar, we observe the feast on the 8th in the US only in solidarity with our Latin Rite brothers and sisters, given as mentioned above the designation of Mary, the Immaculate Conception, as patroness of the United States.
Although we refer to this feast as the Conception of St. Anna, it is the same feast in essence. Our reflection on the “Immaculate Conception” is, of course, from an Eastern Christian perspective.
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Volodymyr
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Immaculate Conception
This is strange to me to call Mother of God a Conception (зачатие). I have read from French Catholics that in Lourdes supposedly Mother of God says to Bernadette - je suis l’immaculee conception. But this is not understandable even grammatical. But if that is your belief, you can at least understand what it is a quandry for non-Catholics and non believers in Immaculate conception. But if you are praying to our all holy sinless mother of God, then that is a point of great hope and agreement.
This is strange to me to call Mother of God a Conception (зачатие). I have read from French Catholics that in Lourdes supposedly Mother of God says to Bernadette - je suis l’immaculee conception. But this is not understandable even grammatical. But if that is your belief, you can at least understand what it is a quandry for non-Catholics and non believers in Immaculate conception. But if you are praying to our all holy sinless mother of God, then that is a point of great hope and agreement.
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ByzCathCantor
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Volodymyr:
Thanks for your post. As a matter of interest, does the Typikon of the Ukrainian Orthodox faithful include the Feast of the Conception of St. Anna?
Peace be with you!
Thanks for your post. As a matter of interest, does the Typikon of the Ukrainian Orthodox faithful include the Feast of the Conception of St. Anna?
Peace be with you!
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5Loaves
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**Well, 21 responses thus far isn’t many, but it’s interesting that it’s evenly divided… all you Ukrainians and Ruthenians pushing up the 8th side!
I made a point of going to the evening Mass on the 8th at the Latin parish I’m most involved with, not because it was an obligation for me, it was not, but because I knew there would be a large number of very wonderful pious Latin parishioners, many my friends, there and probably some beautiful music all magnifying our most holy, pure, blessed, and glorious Lady, the Theotokos and ever virgin Mary. I was right. The place was packed and the music was beautiful. And they sang “Hail, holy Queen/Salve Regina!” for the recessional which since seeing “Sister Act” I cannot sing without thinking of that rendition. Don’t you know they did the second and third verses thusly, and, thank you, I loved it, as did apparently everyone else! . Triumph all ye cherubim! Sing with us ye seraphim! Heaven and Earth, resound the hymn! Salve, salve, salve Regina!
I have to admit I think that is rather nice.
I made a point of going to the evening Mass on the 8th at the Latin parish I’m most involved with, not because it was an obligation for me, it was not, but because I knew there would be a large number of very wonderful pious Latin parishioners, many my friends, there and probably some beautiful music all magnifying our most holy, pure, blessed, and glorious Lady, the Theotokos and ever virgin Mary. I was right. The place was packed and the music was beautiful. And they sang “Hail, holy Queen/Salve Regina!” for the recessional which since seeing “Sister Act” I cannot sing without thinking of that rendition. Don’t you know they did the second and third verses thusly, and, thank you, I loved it, as did apparently everyone else! . Triumph all ye cherubim! Sing with us ye seraphim! Heaven and Earth, resound the hymn! Salve, salve, salve Regina!
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