Decisions of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei

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I came across these decisions from the Ecclesia Dei Commission, some of them are interesting in that they seem to be leaning towards some of the changes in the 1965 Ordo Missae. While issued before Summorum Pontificum, there is definitely some enrichment from the Ordinary Form. Has anyone experienced these provisions being applied in their parishes with the Extraordinary Form?

Ecclesia Dei Decision page 1 and page 2.
Translation for Latin Provision document:
  1. If the celebration of the Divine Office precedes Mass, the Prayers at the Foot of the altar may be omitted.
  1. The rites accompanying the readings from scripture may be celebrated at the sedilia.
  1. The readings may be proclaimed facing the people, whether in Latin or the vernacular and the celebrant is not required to read them or the Gradual chants separately.
  1. Bidding Prayers may be offered after the Oremus, immediately preceding the Offertory.
  1. The “Secret” prayer may be sung aloud.
  1. The celebrant may sing the entire doxology Per ipsum, whilst elevating the Host over the chalice.
  1. The Pater noster may be sung by all with the celebrant.
  1. The final Blessing may be sung, and afterwards the Last Gospel may be omitted.
 
I came across these decisions from the Ecclesia Dei Commission, some of them are interesting in that they seem to be leaning towards some of the changes in the 1965 Ordo Missae. While issued before Summorum Pontificum, there is definitely some enrichment from the Ordinary Form. Has anyone experienced these provisions being applied in their parishes with the Extraordinary Form?

Ecclesia Dei Decision page 1 and page 2.
Out of the whole list, what I see is mostly number 8. Some priests like to chant the final blessing.

There is also one priest I know who say the readings in the vernacular, facing the people during the low Mass (number 3).
 
I’ve seen an entire congregation sing the Pater Noster once, and I’ve heard a sung blessing, but I have never seen the Last Gospel omitted. I’ve never seen the others. It is my feeling that the priests who willingly celebrate the EF would likely not use many of these permissions anyway.
 
My opinion is that we need at least a long period of stability in both forms of the Mass. I feel that about 100 years would be good before they “mess” with the Mass again.
 
While issued before Summorum Pontificum, there is definitely some enrichment from the Ordinary Form.
The form you’re talking about is the continuation of the reformation of the old Missal. The Ordinary Form is a different Missal and wasn’t promulgated until 1970. I don’t think one can say what the Ecclesia Dei recommended (but not implemented) is an enrichment of the Ordinary Form nor was it intended to be.

That said, I have attended an EF with two readings (which I didn’t even have in my handmissal) given by a female reader in the sanctuary.
 
My opinion is that we need at least a long period of stability in both forms of the Mass. I feel that about 100 years would be good before they “mess” with the Mass again.
Amen.

I’ve never seen any of these options, myself.
 
The only place I know of that uses most, if not all of these, is Clear Creek Abbey. At the Extraordinary Form Mass near my hometown, I have seen one of the altar boys chant the epistle and the entire Pater Noster is chanted by all, including the choir. At the Mass I attend at school, the readings at Low Mass are in the vernacular and the final blessing is chanted, depending on the celebrant. But I haven’t seen all of these options used either.
 
The form you’re talking about is the continuation of the reformation of the old Missal. The Ordinary Form is a different Missal and wasn’t promulgated until 1970. I don’t think one can say what the Ecclesia Dei recommended (but not implemented) is an enrichment of the Ordinary Form nor was it intended to be.

That said, I have attended an EF with two readings (which I didn’t even have in my handmissal) given by a female reader in the sanctuary.
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The only place I know of that uses most, if not all of these, is Clear Creek Abbey. At the Extraordinary Form Mass near my hometown, I have seen one of the altar boys chant the epistle and the entire Pater Noster is chanted by all, including the choir. At the Mass I attend at school, the readings at Low Mass are in the vernacular and the final blessing is chanted, depending on the celebrant. But I haven’t seen all of these options used either.
At my parish, every now and then a visitor will start to chant the Pater Noster along with the priest but they get the picture about 5 seconds after starting. I don’t know if it’s the somewhat polite quizzical glances in their directions or what.😃
 
At the Extraordinary Form Mass near my hometown, I have seen one of the altar boys chant the epistle
This was entirely licit in the 1962 rubrics if the altar server is a cleric. One of our seminarians always sings the Epistle when he has the chance to attend the EF Mass at our Cathedral Parish.
 
This was entirely licit in the 1962 rubrics if the altar server is a cleric. One of our seminarians always sings the Epistle when he has the chance to attend the EF Mass at our Cathedral Parish.
The server was not a cleric.

There are rumors floating around that new saints and prefaces will be added to the 1962 missal, do you think that we will see some more changes along the lines of these provisions of Ecclesia Dei (e.g. Liturgy of the Word at the chair, the last gospel being omitted, etc.)?
 
There are rumors floating around that new saints and prefaces will be added to the 1962 missal, do you think that we will see some more changes along the lines of these provisions of Ecclesia Dei (e.g. Liturgy of the Word at the chair, the last gospel being omitted, etc.)?
Not in 2013 already. Nothing in Rome happens that quickly… And I think the Holy Father knows how devastating such changes would be to so many of us Trads who wish to remain in full communion with the See of Peter, but deeply love the Tridentine form of the Mass. After all, the Church now has several Societies of Apostolic Life whose sole charism is their (exclusive) use of the TLM.
 
At my parish, every now and then a visitor will start to chant the Pater Noster along with the priest but they get the picture about 5 seconds after starting. I don’t know if it’s the somewhat polite quizzical glances in their directions or what.😃
I did that once 🙂
 
I’m sorry, but I have to chuckle here. Let me explain. We often have discussions about the influence of religious orders on the liturgy. There are some people who understand that for the most part, religious orders set the pace for changes in the liturgy. There are some who resent this influence by religious. There are others who would like religious to stick their noses out of the liturgy. Some would like the Church not to borrow from religious.

What makes me chuckle is that male religious foresaw this coming. No one told us. We just knew it. Religious men have been doing the TLM this way for centuries. They have been influencing the diocesan clergy and diocesan bishops on this matter for centuries. The Vatican has always looked to the major orders of men for guidance on liturgical matters.

The first to celebrate mass without the prayers at the foot of the altar and without the final Gospel were Franciscans. This has always been an option. Some friars do it and some don’t.

The first to chant the blessing and to turn to the congregation and read the scriptures in the vernacular were the Benedictines back in the 1400s and later the Jesuits in the 1500s.

When the TLM was codified, there was a problem with monasteries of nuns. A canonically elected abbess outranks the priest. They reached a compromise. The nuns read the Epistle. This is more a Benedictine custom than any other order. The Benedictine abbesses were very powerful. They literally governed the secular clergy in their jurisdiction. The idea of a woman reading the epistle is not new. It’s just being borrowed from the female monastery.

Some of us have been gently trying to tell people not to get too comfortable with either the OF or EF as they are. There are changes coming. I don’t know when and I don’t know what. I can take some guesses in the dark and say that the calendar will be unified. The reason I feel certain about this is because it’s being done in friaries and monasteries that celebrate both the EF and OF. Since you can’t have one community running on two liturgical calendars, abbots and superiors have had to sit down and reorganize the calendar. Some are still working on it and some are done. The Holy See has approved some.

If you attend an EF mass celebrated by an order priest, you may find a feast that is not in the old calendar or may find that an old feast is not celebrated, because his order does not celebrate it. One that comes to mind is St. Philomena. It’s really a secular feast found in the Roman Calendar. It’s not found on most Religious Canlendars. Let’s say that a Benedictine monk following his abbeys calendar celebrates the EF, he may omit the Feast of St. Philomena, because it’s not on their calendar.

We also have to look at the positive here. The Church is rich in many traditions. She has always had these traditions operating simultaneously. The man in the pew did not know it, because there was no Internet and people were not as mobile. Today, the world is shrinking. We can see that A is different from B. It’s not always new. It’s only new to me, because I never saw B.

We just need to relax, take a deep breadth and trust Jesus’ promise. “I will be with you until the end of time.”

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
I’m sorry, but I have to chuckle here. Let me explain. We often have discussions about the influence of religious orders on the liturgy. There are some people who understand that for the most part, religious orders set the pace for changes in the liturgy. There are some who resent this influence by religious. There are others who would like religious to stick their noses out of the liturgy. Some would like the Church not to borrow from religious.

What makes me chuckle is that male religious foresaw this coming. No one told us. We just knew it. Religious men have been doing the TLM this way for centuries. They have been influencing the diocesan clergy and diocesan bishops on this matter for centuries. The Vatican has always looked to the major orders of men for guidance on liturgical matters.

The first to celebrate mass without the prayers at the foot of the altar and without the final Gospel were Franciscans. This has always been an option. Some friars do it and some don’t.

The first to chant the blessing and to turn to the congregation and read the scriptures in the vernacular were the Benedictines back in the 1400s and later the Jesuits in the 1500s.

When the TLM was codified, there was a problem with monasteries of nuns. A canonically elected abbess outranks the priest. They reached a compromise. The nuns read the Epistle. This is more a Benedictine custom than any other order. The Benedictine abbesses were very powerful. They literally governed the secular clergy in their jurisdiction. The idea of a woman reading the epistle is not new. It’s just being borrowed from the female monastery.

Some of us have been gently trying to tell people not to get too comfortable with either the OF or EF as they are. There are changes coming. I don’t know when and I don’t know what. I can take some guesses in the dark and say that the calendar will be unified. The reason I feel certain about this is because it’s being done in friaries and monasteries that celebrate both the EF and OF. Since you can’t have one community running on two liturgical calendars, abbots and superiors have had to sit down and reorganize the calendar. Some are still working on it and some are done. The Holy See has approved some.

If you attend an EF mass celebrated by an order priest, you may find a feast that is not in the old calendar or may find that an old feast is not celebrated, because his order does not celebrate it. One that comes to mind is St. Philomena. It’s really a secular feast found in the Roman Calendar. It’s not found on most Religious Canlendars. Let’s say that a Benedictine monk following his abbeys calendar celebrates the EF, he may omit the Feast of St. Philomena, because it’s not on their calendar.

We also have to look at the positive here. The Church is rich in many traditions. She has always had these traditions operating simultaneously. The man in the pew did not know it, because there was no Internet and people were not as mobile. Today, the world is shrinking. We can see that A is different from B. It’s not always new. It’s only new to me, because I never saw B.

We just need to relax, take a deep breadth and trust Jesus’ promise. “I will be with you until the end of time.”

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
Thank you for your response. I didn’t know about religious communities consolidating the calendars. How is that done? Do they use the EF Temporal Cycle and the OF Sanctoral Cycle?

And I for one welcome authentic liturgical renewal. I would be most delighted to attend a EF Mass with the changes mentioned in the documents from Ecclesia Dei…I think they implement some principles found in Sacrosanctum Concilium (e.g. the vernacular, the readings done at the chair highlighting the difference between the Liturgy of the Word and Liturgy of the Eucharist), while at the same time the ancient liturgical tradition is respected. They seem like they would be “organic developments” in line with authentic liturgical renewal.

I agree, many prelates, like Cardinal Burke, have hinted that change is a-coming for the Ordinary Form. We know from Summorum Pontificum, that change is inevitable for the Extraordinary Form. Exciting times we live in!
 
Thank you for your response. I didn’t know about religious communities consolidating the calendars. How is that done? Do they use the EF Temporal Cycle and the OF Sanctoral Cycle?
It’s really up to the major superior. Benedictines have an interesting organization. Every monastery and abbey is autonomous; however, they usually belong to a congregation. These decisions are made by the abbots working together as a congregation.

Mendicants, on the other hand, do not have autonomy. All of the houses are connected to one major superior for each obedience. That major superior will appoint a committee to work on the calendar, which will be presented to the superior for approval, then sent to the Vatican.

Franciscans are at a disadvantage here. Unlike other mendicants that are one community or at most two, there are more than 100 Franciscan communities of men. I don’t mean houses. I mean autonomous branches of the same order, each with its own government, but the same rule.

To maintain some kind of unity, the Friars Minor, Friars Minor Conventuals, Friars Minor Capuchins, Poor Clares, Secular Franciscans, TORs, and religious who follow the Rule of Penance, have formed the Franciscan Liturgical Commission. It’s a commission of our best liturgists and theologians. They put together the calendar, then the missal, lectionary and breviary to fit the calendar. They will insert all of our feasts around the Franciscan Sanctoral Cycle.

The major orders have their own sanctoral cycle, which overlaps with the OF sanctoral cycle. If by chance you watch mass on EWTN on October 22, you will see the Mass of Bl. John Paul II. It’s his feast day, which is observed in Poland, the Diocese of Rome and by all Franciscans. The Holy See had all of the collects and prefaces written long before the beatification, because the Holy Father had hinted the he was going to beatify him with or without a miracle. Like Bl. John Paul with Mother Teresa, Pope Benedict wanted this done before his death. It was easy to incorporate into our sanctoral cycle. This year, we will incorporate him, Mother Teresa, St. Maximilian Kolbe, St. Pio, St. Giana Molla, and Bl. John Duns Scotus into the EF. Last year we used the OF for all of these people.
I agree, many prelates, like Cardinal Burke, have hinted that change is a-coming for the Ordinary Form. We know from Summorum Pontificum, that change is inevitable for the Extraordinary Form. Exciting times we live in!
I think anyone with common sense knows that we can’t live forever with two forms of the same rite. This is what we had before Trent. Actually we had more than two forms, but that’s another thread. What Trent tried to do was consolidate, while leaving the religious alone. This is very important, even though some lay people may think that it does not affect them.

It is very important to leave the old religious communities alone and let them revise their liturgical life, because their liturgical life is a living expression of their charism. One of the problems with the Ordinary Form is that you can’t tell the difference between a Franciscan, Jesuit, Dominican, Carmelite or Trinitarian.

Prior to the OF, the Carmelites had their own rite, Dominicans had their own rite, Carthusians had their rite and the rest of us used our own forms of the Tridentine Mass. Basically, it was the mass prior to the Council of Trent. These differences made the Latin Church very rich. It was like Baskin Robbins. One of the best places to live was Malta. They have 52 parishes on one little island. They are run by diocesan clergy and by religious. Since the island is small, one could literally attend a different form of the mass every Sunday before 1962. Every diocesan parish celebrated the Tridentine Mass, but everyone else did their own thing. The unified OF was hard on little countries like Malta, because people liked their diversity.
This is the best line in your post. So true.
LOL Thank You

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
I agree, many prelates, like Cardinal Burke, have hinted that change is a-coming for the Ordinary Form. We know from Summorum Pontificum, that change is inevitable for the Extraordinary Form. Exciting times we live in!
I think changes bother those who are organized and/or depend on handmissals the most. Usage of missals prior to the Vatican II council was much higher than it is today even in today’s EF. During the 60’s, this usage dropped as changes were occuring; how many were into buying new missals every two or three years? Was it a coincidence that attendance dropped significantly during the 60’s and beyond? Say what you want about listening and I’m sure there were other factors involved but it’s just an observation on my part.

As far as that woman reading, it wasn’t so much that she was a woman or in the sanctuary so much (I’m used to seeing that) but I didn’t know what the heck she was reading, and I wonder if she knew.
 
Prior to the OF, the Carmelites had their own rite, Dominicans had their own rite, Carthusians had their rite and the rest of us used our own forms of the Tridentine Mass. Basically, it was the mass prior to the Council of Trent. These differences made the Latin Church very rich. It was like Baskin Robbins. One of the best places to live was Malta. They have 52 parishes on one little island. They are run by diocesan clergy and by religious. Since the island is small, one could literally attend a different form of the mass every Sunday before 1962. Every diocesan parish celebrated the Tridentine Mass, but everyone else did their own thing. The unified OF was hard on little countries like Malta, because people liked their diversity.
I agree with you on this.

Since Summorum Pontificum there were quite a number of Masses in the EF that took place in Malta. Numbers, especially among youths, were encouraging. However, for no clear reason, there was a sort of backlash from the Church authorities and Masses in the EF are very few, and mostly one-offs. Here they were mostly Dialogue Masses:

pro-tridentina-malta.blogspot.com/2012/10/dialogue-mass.html
 
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