Declining Vocations to the Priesthood

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Were they altar girls?
I’m saying that they are females called to a spiritual vocation, and that these females influcence not only women but also men into a spiritual vocation. Both spirtual men and spiritual women make a difference in influencing others, so encouraging both genders into a spiritual vocation is beneficial.
 
The solution is encouraging both BOYS and GIRLS (emphasis added because you added emphasis to your post), in some way so that they reach their maximum potential. Do not overlook the importance nuns have to encourage young boys to become priests.

Your post has disturbed me, and I hope you will be more open to fully encouraging the potential of every child to go into the faith, no matter what gender, and no matter their appearance.
Personally I do not even think that the existance of Altar Girls is even required for vocations to flourish. NONE of the female Saints and Doctors of the Church were Altar Girls or even demanded that there be. The vocations for Nuns flourished without any Altar Girls, but now are faltering a lack of orthodoxy. It is just plain naive to assume that girls serving at the altar would promote the vocation of a Nun. In the first place it does not. Serving at the altar is not part of the vocation of a nun. Serving at the altar however, is part of the vocation of Priests and Deacons.
 
I While one potential idea may be to go back to alter boys only, the world will lose out if girls are ignored and boys given the majority of attention. Look at the influence Mother Theresa has had on this world, and more obviously Mary! I simply can’t belive that no man has not moved by one/both of these two women to serve God as a priest.
Were either Mother Theresa or Mary altar servers?

Yet somehow they achieved their spiritual heights without that, so why can’t girls of today follow in their footsteps in the same way, without altar service

The solution is encouraging both BOYS and GIRLS (emphasis added because you added emphasis to your post), in some way so that they reach their maximum potential. Do not overlook the importance nuns have to encourage young boys to become priests.

Did you read my post above. Our parish has an entirely male altar boy cadre, yet we also had 3 women enter into noviate programs this year alone (one of which was into Mother Theresa’s order). None of these women were altar servers, they left that to their brothers and focused on the spirituality of Mary, St. Therese, Mother Theresa, and St. Theresa of Avila.

What is the average yearly rate of women entering to religious life in your parish?

How many of your former altar girls have entered into religious life in the last year?

So where do you think all the nuns you are looking for are coming from?
 
Did you read my post above? Our parish has an entirely male altar boy cadre, yet we also had 3 women enter into noviate programs this year alone (one of which was into Mother Theresa’s order). None of these women were altar servers, they left that to their brothers and focused on the spirituality of Mary, St. Therese, Mother Theresa, and St. Theresa of Avila.

What is the average yearly rate of women entering to religious life in your parish?

How many of your former altar girls have entered into religious life in the last year?

So where do you think all the nuns you are looking for are coming from?
That’s a good point. I often hear the weak argument that altar serving will foster in girls a vocation to be a nun. Yet in my parish, where girls were altar serving way before it was permitted, we still have yet to see one single vocation as a nun.

It looks like we may have one vocation to the priesthood though. A former altar boy, whose brothers also all served at the altar. 🙂 Intersting to note, his mom was never a EMHC, nor is she a reader. She’s just a very holy, traditional Catholic who made sure the boys were brought up according to the pious traditions of the Church.
 
What I was trying to say is: don’t just think that dumping the altar girls and not do anything else to encourage them is the solution. You can’t just take something that important away and expect it not to hurt them spiritually if the church offers little in its place. This is not a grain of salt issue. I participated in handbells, choir, bringing up the gifts, and even organizing the books row by row. Serving the church in this way is all well and good. However none of these touched me near as much as altar serving did. Its two different ballparks, those experiences. The church is supposed to be one of the centers of our lives. We should encourage people to be involved in the greatest extent possible.

My altar serving days meant a LOT to me spiritually. It helped solidify my faith, being there so close to the Eucharist, and feeling that I’d contributed significantly and was doing God’s work. I was not sitting there thinking “why can’t I be a priest, I am confused about things” What was going through my head was pure and simply awe. (and to the poster above, perhaps the children who are confused about their role need either A: more education or B: to be older before become an altar server. Those questions will come up regardless of if they are altar servers or not.) With my church, there was room for 3 altar servers to participate. Every Sunday morning when I was not already serving, I would head around the back and make sure that they had an altar server. Many times they did not, and the priest would breathe a sigh of relief when they saw me. Interestingly enough it was a nun who taught all of the altar servers how to do our roles. She would not stand for anything but complete reverence in church. She influenced me a lot because of her reverence, not because of her gender. And I know she influenced the alter boys as well. Nuns can influence altar boys to become closer to God, and likewise be potential priests, and priests can encourage altar girls to become closer to God and potentially nuns.
It is just plain naive to assume that girls serving at the altar would promote the vocation of a Nun. In the first place it does not. Serving at the altar is not part of the vocation of a nun.
This is just so sad that you would think that being up at the altar, next to the priest who is holding the Eucharist up high, or helping hold the book so that the priest could read to the congregation would do nothing to solidify one’s faith and draw them closer to God as a nun (vs being in the pews or doing some other role). Each soul that comes closer to God is worthwhile and should be fought vehemently for. It DID promote the vocation of a Nun in me because it promoted my faith.
Did you read my post above.
Yes, I read every post here. My original post was not in response to you.
Were either Mother Theresa or Mary altar servers?
Well did you read my post? 😉 I replied yesterday to this same question posted by Victorius. Obviously girls have not had the opportunity to be altar servers until very recently.
Yet somehow they achieved their spiritual heights without that, so why can’t girls of today follow in their footsteps in the same way, without altar service
Some can and do make it on their own. But that is not a reason to search out ways for both genders to participate in a higher level in the church. Its not that they have to be altar servers, its that they have to be encouraged and feel a special closeness to the church and to spiritual leaders by participating in a close, special way, not just feel like one of the masses.
Originally Posted by Aleii
The solution is encouraging both BOYS and GIRLS… in some way so that they reach their maximum potential.
Please realize that the entirety of my entire first post was in response to Mystified and the way he worded his post. I wanted to bring sensitivity to the issue of childhood weight in a blunt manner, and, reply to him that I disagreed with the idea that he seemed to be portraying: to encouraging boys while dismissing girls.

I know that my altar serving served to help others with their faith. I remember before school one day, I had one child timidly come up to me and ask if she could go to church with me before school and pray. I will always remember that, and know it happened because of my reverent example when I was serving at mass. I had people come up to my parents and comment on how moving my reverence was. How about we focus on teaching reverence to altar servers instead of just kicking out the females, or look for alternate ways that girls can contribute on a deep level? How about we focus on more education in general? What about looking into youth clubs that foster priestly vocations?
 
Also, Brendan, are you thinking that I’m saying its necessary for females to be altar servers before they would consider being a nun?

What I’m saying is that being an altar server(or anything else that serves the church on a deeper/higher/closer level) brings a person closer to God and therby increases the potential that person will consider entering into a spiritual vocation, and that both priests and nuns can influence either gender to enter into a spiritual vocation.
paramedicgirl wrote:That’s a good point. I often hear the weak argument that altar serving will foster in girls a vocation to be a nun. Yet in my parish, where girls were altar serving way before it was permitted, we still have yet to see one single vocation as a nun.
And how different was this before girls were allowed to be altar servers? Did you have quite a number of male/female vocations there then? Did they suddenly all drop off? Perhaps there is another factor coming to play too. I’m not dismissing your argument because you now have a priest vocation in your church at the current time, just saying that these and many more are all things to consider as potential reasons.
demerzel85 wrote: It is just plain naive to assume that girls serving at the altar would promote the vocation of a Nun.
Father Paul deLadurantaye, director of the Office of Sacred Liturgy, said that he doesn’t believe allowing women to be altar servers will diminish vocations to the priesthood. Echoing the bishop’s words, Father deLadurantaye said, “Young girls could also be helped to discern a call to religious life.”

catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=19163

I’m not sure what your qualifications are, demerzel, but I’d replace your word “naive” with “difference of opinion”
 
Most people have focused on the dioceses and the clergy…

How about the home??? Are families encouraging vocations? Are they encouraging their children to explore God’s call?
 
On Sunday, our bishop said there are zero vocations to the priesthood in our Diocese of Nelson.

When I talked to our priest about it later, I suggested this may be because our diocese has been a liberal one for so long. The priest agreed, and said he just had that very discussion with the bishop.

Our priest then said something that I have heard here many times: The parishes which are traditional have flourishing numbers of vocations to the priesthood. :yup:

I wonder if anyone is able to supply references for this situation? Opinions are great, too! 🙂

To start off with, I think having girl altar servers is a factor in the declining numbers of seminarians.
Isnt is kind of hypocritical to be liberal and catholic?
 
depends on what you mean by “liberal”. If you mean politically liberal… or classically liberal, then no, it doesn’t necessarily follow that you can’t be a good Catholic.

If by “liberal” you mean dissenting from Catholic teaching, then heck yeah it’s hypocritical! 😃
 
If you’re from the Diocese of Nelson in B.C. (which is the one I’m familiar with) perhaps you will find consolation in the fact that your bishop will be retiring this December (recent bishops appointed in Western Canada over the past five years have all been fairly orthodox. . .). If this is your diocese, also keep in mind that the population of your diocese is fairly small. Now, that doesn’t excuse the fact that there haven’t been vocations to the priesthood in the recent history of the diocese, but it should be taken into consideration. Note that in a small diocese it’s difficult to have an active vocations office. Furthermore, though the bishop may have something to do with it, keep in mind that fostering of vocations really takes root at the level of the domestic church (families) and in the parishes. Most people who feel called to the priesthood or to religious life aren’t introduced to these vocations through their bishop but rather through their families and parishes. Though a solid bishop can make a big difference in promoting vocations to the priesthood and religious life, really, Catholic families living the call to holiness and priests and religious who are happy in their vocations are much more effective in attracting vocations.
 
I would definately say our diocese leans liberal, although our Archbishop is more middle of the road. Yet we had 7 priests ordained this year and 30 in seminary right now.
And prayer. We need to pray for vocations. Some parishes pray at every Sunday Mass for vocations, but ours doesn’t. Hmmm. We have no vocations, either.
At my beloved little Church (oasis), we pray JPII’s prayer for vocations after every daily Mass. Could that have something to do with our vocations?
 
A great new dvd, The Fishers of Men, was recently released. It is AMAZING! You have to get youth to see this. It was created by young Catholic men and has received a great response from youth. It is a great tribute to the priesthood and will do wonders for vocations if we get it out there for youth to see. Obviously, we have to create a whole vocation culture in our parishes and dioceses to increase vocations, but this film will be a great supplement. It is produced by Grassrootsfilms.com. Watch the trailer…
grassrootsfilms.com/
 
I believe it is partially to blame on the sex abuse scandel. If a young man believes everything negative that he sees and hears these days about the Church and its bishops and priests, who could blame him if he didn’t want anything to do with it? Too many priests have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar, and the bishops covering up for them. Now we have the Tom Foley scandal with a priest that served in Fla. In our diocese, we have one convicted of the murder of a nun. There will be another trial next summer about the same priest with allegations of satanic rituals in a a church basement. Yes, I know all this involves a very small percentage of priests and bishops, but it sheds a very bad light on our Church in general. Pray for our Church and its priests and bishops!
 
Well at my parish, nicknamed, St John the Communist, we’ve never had one vocation to the priesthood…but we are very advanced in other ways…we’ve had altar girls since way before they were approved.
 
In order to increase vocations perhaps the priests that are aware of young men and men that have had thoughts of being called should be helping those hearing the call. In our case, our son has hear the call from a small boy that call is becoming stronger as he grows into young adulthood. Even though our priest is well aware of it he has made no effort to help him nor has he past his name on to the vocation director.

Why would we expect those to embrace the priesthood when the current priests show no interest in increasing that vocation. Prayers are not enough, actively finding those who have heard the call may increase the vocation.

I personally am glad my son is walking away, but if he came to me and truly wanted to become a Priest I would do everything to ensure he succeeded, including attending his ordination even though I am a catholic in schism.

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In order to increase vocations perhaps the priests that are aware of young men and men that have had thoughts of being called should be helping those hearing the call. In our case, our son has hear the call from a small boy that call is becoming stronger as he grows into young adulthood. Even though our priest is well aware of it he has made no effort to help him nor has he past his name on to the vocation director.

Why would we expect those to embrace the priesthood when the current priests show no interest in increasing that vocation. Prayers are not enough, actively finding those who have heard the call may increase the vocation.
I fear that not many people (and not many priests even) believe that a young person can truly have a vocation. Unfortunately, they want them to "get out and LIVE a little, experience sin - um I mean life - and then maybe come back when you are a little older (and all those bothersome bills are paid off)… maybe we’ll cosider you THEN!

Sad but true.
 
I fear that not many people (and not many priests even) believe that a young person can truly have a vocation. Unfortunately, they want them to "get out and LIVE a little, experience sin - um I mean life - and then maybe come back when you are a little older (and all those bothersome bills are paid off)… maybe we’ll cosider you THEN!

Sad but true.
Really? I thought that dioceses would welcome ANYONE in the seminary that had a desire for the priesthood. That baffles me. :confused:
 
I fear that not many people (and not many priests even) believe that a young person can truly have a vocation. Unfortunately, they want them to "get out and LIVE a little, experience sin - um I mean life - and then maybe come back when you are a little older (and all those bothersome bills are paid off)… maybe we’ll cosider you THEN!

Sad but true.
Slightly off-topic, but I think many religious orders take the same attitude toward young people considering their congregations. As if it’s impossible to know at age 19 that God might be calling you to take a different route, only because the 2 newcomers they’ve had in the past 7 years have all been 35+ years old.
 
With all the grief that a good pastor gets from his bishop when he tries to do the right thing, it is no wonder that men are hesitant to wear the collar… case in point… a local parish declared the requirements for confirmation… candidates must either work in a nursing home for 10 or so hours, pray at an abortion mill, work with Habitat for Humanity … and some parents complained to the bishop… Yep, the bishop’s office told the pastor to lighten up and don’t be so strict.
Well, it’s not entirely obvious why such a thing should be a requirement for the sacrament. The parish should be putting more energy into catechetical and spiritual preparation.
 
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