Decriminalization and/or legalization of illicit drugs in the United States?

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It seems as though this thread has really gone in a lot of hairy directions. Why don’t we back up and discuss some preliminary issues? Let’s start with the U.S. Drug Policy’s effectiveness.

First, what is the ultimate end of the current (and past) U.S. drug policies? Would you agree that their ultimate end is to decrease drug abuse and/or drug use? If not, what is the ultimate end? Perhaps it is simply a matter of “sending a message”?

If the purpose of the “War on Drugs” is to decrease drug abuse and/or drug use, how effective has it been at accomplishing this? Please cite any empirical data in support of your answer so that all of us may evaluate it.
 
U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration

You will never convince me that drugs should be legalized and/or regulated for use among the populace. I am an IT contractor with DEA Headquarters in Arlington, VA. There is a brutal side to drugs that has nothing to do with money, corruption, or violence, and even when it comes down to that, I have access to information that most people here do not. Drugs are a lifestyle that should never be allowed to stand. (and that has nothing to do with religion)
Same can be said of beer, also the “money, corruption, or violence” is directly due to the DEA and law enforcement in general.
 
I believe that we would agree that at least, (if only on the surface), the “War on Drugs” has the goal of reducing drug use in the United States.I hope to show evidence against the idea that the war has helped to stop drug use.

The government’s attempts to stop the inflow of drugs into the country from other countries has been a complete failure. “Interdiction has not made a difference in terms of the higher goals of deterring smugglers and reducing the flow of cocaine. The portion of the federal drug budget allocated to supply reduction initiatives has almost doubled over the last five years, and funding for [the] Department of Defense’s detection and monitoring mission has increased over 400% since 1989. Yet cocaine remains affordable, its purity remains high, and it continues to be readily available on American streets.”-Jim Abrams, “Interdiction hasn’t stemmed drug flow, Congress is told,” cited in Eldridge, Ending the War on Drugs, p. 146.

It is known that cracking down on drug pushers in one area will have the effect of others popping up in other areas. In this vein, it may occasionally seem like the “War on Drugs” is having success in cracking down on drug dealers, but this ‘success’ in bringing down drug dealers will only lead to the quick emergence of willing replacements, thanks to the massive profit margins available in the illegal drug market. “Years of experience have shown that this band-aid approach to controlling drugs-stopping them mid-way along the deliver chain-… will never have any permanent effect on drug traffic.” -United States General Accounting Office, Federal Drug Interdiction Efforts Need Strong Central Oversight, p. 28, cited in Wisotsky, Beyond the War on Drugs, p. 146.

The harsh penalties deemed effective in deterring drug use are less effective than viable alternatives. “They (RAND’s Drug Policy Research Center) estimated that spending an additional million 1992 dollars on incarcerating cocaine dealers would reduce cocaine consumption by over 27 kilograms over a fifteen-year period, while putting the same money into treatment for those dependent on cocaine would reduce consumption by over 100 kilograms over the same period.” - Ibid,; and Jonathan Caulkins et al., Mandatory Minimum Drug Sentences, p. xvi. Programs like these cannot exist while the government threatens to jail the drug users these programs aim to help.

“Heavy use of cocaine continued rising throughout the administrations of both presidents Reagan and George H. W. Bush.” -Office of National Drug Control Policy, National Drug Control Strategy, p. 39.
“America was much tougher on young adults who violated the drug laws during the Clinton administration than during the Reagan administration: in 1986, thirty-one out of every 100,000 young adults were incarcerated for drug offenses, while in 1996, 122 youths per 100,000 were sent to prison for drug violations.”-V Schiraldi, B. Homan, and P. Beatty, Poor Prescription, pp. 14-15.

These brief citations seem to show that the War on Drugs has been a costly waste of time.
 
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You will never convince me that drugs should be legalized and/or regulated for use among the populace. I am an IT contractor with DEA Headquarters in Arlington, VA. There is a brutal side to drugs that has nothing to do with money, corruption, or violence, and even when it comes down to that, I have access to information that most people here do not. Drugs are a lifestyle that should never be allowed to stand. (and that has nothing to do with religion)
Do you understand the law of unintended consequences? Your ideals are perverted by using a bad means to achieve your goals (the war on drugs). Prohibition was a good example of the law of unintended consequences.
 
“The law of unintended consequences, often cited but rarely defined, is that actions of people—and especially of government—always have effects that are unanticipated or ‘unintended.’ Economists and other social scientists have heeded its power for centuries; for just as long, politicians and popular opinion have largely ignored it (Rob Norton).”
 
U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration

You will never convince me that drugs should be legalized and/or regulated for use among the populace. I am an IT contractor with DEA Headquarters in Arlington, VA. There is a brutal side to drugs that has nothing to do with money, corruption, or violence, and even when it comes down to that, I have access to information that most people here do not. Drugs are a lifestyle that should never be allowed to stand. (and that has nothing to do with religion)
How is that possible since drugs are illegal? Since that lifestyle is not available how could you see or know of it?
 
Drug use is down…not up.

National Institute on Drug Abuse
nida.nih.gov/infofacts/nationtrends.html

The drug facts you site about the 80s is wrong as to the obvious decline in YOUTH use of drugs…Look under “Youth” in the following article
whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/publications/factsht/druguse/

The stats for youth drug use went down until that fraud Bill Clinton ( I didnt inhale…remember??) became President (see above under Youth)
I think if you look at education and economic growth you will find better data. The relationship will be inverse so education controls drugs not punishment.
 
If you have good education AND punishment you get the results I have mentioned and sited.
 
Drug use is down…not up.

National Institute on Drug Abuse
nida.nih.gov/infofacts/nationtrends.html

The drug facts you site about the 80s is wrong as to the obvious decline in YOUTH use of drugs…Look under “Youth” in the following article
whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/publications/factsht/druguse/

The stats for youth drug use went down until that fraud Bill Clinton ( I didnt inhale…remember??) became President (see above under Youth)
Not that I disagree with you, but I’d like to see the last 9 years.
 
U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration

You will never convince me that drugs should be legalized and/or regulated for use among the populace. I am an IT contractor with DEA Headquarters in Arlington, VA. There is a brutal side to drugs that has nothing to do with money, corruption, or violence, and even when it comes down to that, I have access to information that most people here do not. Drugs are a lifestyle that should never be allowed to stand. (and that has nothing to do with religion)
The brutallity comes with the greed the drug industry generates.

Stop the greed & stop the brutality.

From a religious standpoint the way the drug war is fought stymies the helping of the least.

Peace
 
Excellent articles and facts for Catholics who care about keeping their kids off drugs and are at this page: Drugs are for losers !! NO legalization !

justice.gov/dea/demand/speakout/index.html

justice.gov/dea/ongoing/marinol.html

Never Mind: Alaska’s Failed Legalization Experiment

In 1975, Alaska’s Supreme Court held that under their State Constitution an adult could possess marijuana for personal consumption in the home.

The court’s ruling became a green light for marijuana use. A 1988 University of Alaska survey showed that the state’s teenagers used marijuana at more than twice the national average for their age group. The report also showed a frequency of marijuana use that suggested it wasn’t experimental, but a well incorporated practice for teens.

Fed up with this dangerous experiment, Alaska’s residents voted in 1990 to recriminalize possession of marijuana. But 15 years of legalization left its mark-increased drug use by a generation of our youth.
justice.gov/dea/ongoing/alaska.html
 
In 1975, Alaska’s Supreme Court held that under their State Constitution an adult could possess marijuana for personal consumption in the home.
The court’s ruling became a green light for marijuana use. A 1988 University of Alaska survey showed that the state’s teenagers used marijuana at more than twice the national average for their age group. The report also showed a frequency of marijuana use that suggested it wasn’t experimental, but a well incorporated practice for teens.
Fed up with this dangerous experiment, Alaska’s residents voted in 1990 to recriminalize possession of marijuana. But 15 years of legalization left its mark-increased drug use by a generation of our youth.
Huh. Now in the Netherlands it has had an opposite effect where marijuana usage let alone hard drug usage is lower there. I’m currious to see the actual study. Could you post the results to the Alaska study? Also I would like to see the trend in drug abuse amoung Americans in the last 9 years? Not that I disagree with you, but I do like to look at things in-depth. Thanks.
 
You may think I am joking but the more www.justice.gov I read the more I believe the Justice department is a bigger problem than any legalized drug could ever be !!! Their data shows the war on drugs is increasing drug use!!! Also look at this statement “The increasing use of marijuana is responsible for more than increased crimejustice.gov/dea/demand/speakout/09so.htm now would that seem like a statement deserving of a reference? The concept of their opinion being accepted as unquestionable fact is far more dangerous than any drug. Add to that the constant contradiction more drug war = more drug use, and reduction of liberty to increase “justice” power which corresponded to increase drug abuse. That is wacko logic, unless you desire power which could be gained through pretending to work at the justice department. So is it about power or drug use?
 
No, I think you are quite serious…unfortunately.To say that the Justice Department is more of a problem than cocaine is a demonstration of rank disinterest.

but in case you want to read something…in case…

Teenagers whose parents talk to them on a regular basis about the dangers of drug use are 42 percent less likely to use drugs than those whose parents don’t…education, if done on a national stage, has, and would continue to work…Read the facts…and the truth shall make you free

http://www.teendrugabuse.us/teen_drug_use.html
 
It would be a huge mistake to legalize drugs. (same for decriminalizing).
  1. Here in my state, 80% of people in jail now are for a crime related to drug and/or alcohol abuse. Im not only talking about drug possession, but the crimes committed to get money or property to buy (or pawn for) drugs----- like theft, burglary, robbery, violence against persons.
 
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