Deeply hurt by the Elections

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In an alternate thread, I posted a response as to how I feel about last night’s election results, as below:

If you feel similarly, then I’d really appreciate hearing from you. I need someone with whom I can commiserate. PM me.

Anyone who voted for our current administration need not apply.
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William777:
I am happiest when I am in church, and I usually don’t want to leave…

That said, when I look at the news on TV, I’m deeply ashamed to be called an American at this point, and I want to expatriate to somewhere morally safe… I am trying to determine that now… The only places I can think of may be in Italy itself…

If I had to stay here in America… and, if they’d have me, life behind Carmel’s grill would seem the only other worthy place to go, but I don’t think it’s going to happen because I am too old… So I’m looking for some other country or hermitage where I can dwell in peace…

Otherwise, I will stay and fight the good fight… Christ did it, and we all have our cross to bear… so I’ll not give up on God’s Holy Church, like so many of our brethren have… I will join my sufferings to those of Christ’s cross… I just wish so many of our brethren would stop driving nails into God’s laws, and manipulating the non-negotiable and Holy precepts to which the spouse of Christ is commended to adhere… What’s most disturbing is that last night’s disaster could have been prevented if many of our brethren had come forth in faith, and in support of the churches decrees (as they should have)… what’s most disturbing is a lot of this evil came deliberately from within the confines of the church community… God save us! Diablerie! Manipulative, idolatrous and (in the case of Abortion) even deadly “Catholic” souls masquerading as Angels of Light and Grace… Supporting and enabling policies the church clearly describes as wrong… It’s totally reprehensible…

I prefer the Gospels… I prefer the Good News… I prefer the God of the Living… Christ forgive us… God deliver us! So many know not what they do…
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Well… I am hurt by just about every election. The elite are insulting our intelligence.

Everyone consider this:

1 - We did not have a choice that would be morally correct. I did not vote because I feel we needed more options(nothing new).

2 - What would the world be like if we lived by the Word. Even if you don’t believe the 1st commandment brings immeasurable grace to those who follow it (which it does)- if we could just

Do unto others as we would have others do unto us
Always forgive
Never judge

Let that sink in. Throw out every rule society has and imagine the suffering that would end just by accomplishing those 3 things.

Now imagine if we actually lived by the Word in it’s entirety and not by the $. Throw out everything you think you know and imagine a world where we live by the Word in it’s entirety. Pretend that we wouldn’t receive an infinite amount of grace from God for it and
just imagine how well it would work in just practical application(to put it simply - it just makes sense) - let alone the grace we would receive.

We will never have that situation on this earth let alone this country. We probably won’t even get it in the Church!

I do not think Obama is close to perfect - he is extremely flawed (like all of us). He was a better option though and I am very relieved he won. That doesn’t mean I could vote for him with a clear conscious. If forced to vote - it would not have been Romney.

As far as abortion - that is a choice that must be left open. Making this illegal is not the answer. Free will has allowed Satan to exist - I think that says something about how important it is to God that we be able to choose. When we try to take that from people it always ends up bad.

Of course murdering an unborn baby is a bad choice (I think they know this when they do it…). That soul is in heaven. The murder will have to account for their actions either in this life or the next. If we make it illegal then we will end up with a far worse situation. Do you think people actually follow the laws of men? We as Christians do not even follow the Law of God properly. Do you want abortion clinics to be run by criminals or doctors?

I suppose we should support the war on drugs as well - look at what crack does to babies!
How is that working out for us!?

There are better solutions - we are just lazy and greedy. It would be better to spend money telling people why it is wrong than to outlaw it and pay for more incarceration.

See this is why I don’t even bother talking about politics - people must justify their viewpoint at all costs. If that doesn’t work they attack you personally. It’s almost like they emulate the politicians. Those are the wrong people to emulate!
 
Forget about you and I being hurt, our feelings are as nothing. Christ has been deeply wounded by the spread of the pro-death movement.
 
I am deeply hurt as well. I have always tried to be a charitable person, giving of my money and time. I try to assume good intentions in other people.

I am appalled at the hateful thoughts that now fill my mind. I am quite sure those who want to “redistribute” wealth, enshrine sodomy into law, and force me to pay for the slaughter of the perfectly innocent unborn do not see themselves as evil. Unfortunately, these acts are evil.

I wish there was some country I could go to. I would be happy to leave those with whom I so fundamentally disagree to implement their preferred polices upon themselves, but there is nowhere for me to go.

This is why we need a small federal government. That way, both sides could have what they want, at the state level. I am saddened to see that my idealogical opponents do not wish to give me and likeminded individuals the opportunity to live our lives in peace.

I weep for my children. They are so young, the oldest just started preschool. I begin to understand that the America I thought I knew was a mirage. The people have turned away from Christian values, and they are determined to drive this nation at high speed off a cliff.

I would like to hit the second poster over the head with a ton of bricks (figuratively, of course!). You asked to commisserate with like minded people, and they come on here and say they are happy Obama won.

I feel like a great violence has been inflicted upon my soul. There are socialist nations all over this earth. Why must people destroy the freedoms of my children when there are so many nations that already offer what they seek?

I hope the Church is forced to stop offering services to the poor as our economy continues to crash. It would serve all the jealous takers right if they had to experience true poverty. Perhaps it is the only chance for lessons to be learned.

I am in desperate need of prayers to let go of my bitterness. I have been praying for this nation, but now I am too broken. I will pray for the others who are similarly disappointed.
 
PaulfromIowa said:
Forget about you and I being hurt, our feelings are as nothing. Christ has been deeply wounded by the spread of the pro-death movement.
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Being made in God’s image - we have Christ in us…

That pain we feel over this is unquestionably the wounded Christ. Those who made an evil election at the polls were the crucifiers. The teachings of our poor and persecuted church makes this clear.

It is not for us to re-crucify Christ by holding him up to contempt. That would be a sin. The CCC makes it clear our purpose in life is to praise God.

Now the best we can do is beg for forgiveness… starting with me… and I didn’t even vote against the teachings of our church…
 
Hi William,
I am very disappointed and even upset but I also know that I voted and did what I could for the support of life and liberty. For those who didn’t eventually they will have to answer for their vote to God. That is not just over the president but over same sex marriage, pot etc.
We are called to be faithful, sometimes that is hard when it seems like we did not succeed.
We still need to be faithful, not afraid of the truth and realize in the very end, Jesus wins, the gate of hell will not prevail against the Church and while I see dark storms clouds coming, God will still be with us. I heard an analogy that made sense to me this morning on Catholic radio. The person was Fr. Mitch Pacwa. He made an analogy to hurricane Andrew of the 80 which came through and wiped out many homes and cities. He stated that in one city, all the big fancy homes were totally destroyed but the small little habitat for humanity homes stood.
When they asked what made the difference, the little homes were made with nails and because they were small, escaped being destroyed. We are now those small little homes, we don’t look successful or very big and influential but when the big storm comes, we will be standing and not them. Our little homes have withstood the storms of the Roman empire, Islamic aggression at the battle of Lepanto, Napolean, Hitler, Communism, etc. We will still stand here as well. This is our hope. Remember, Obama barely won, this was not a landslide by popular vote. 50% did not want him back.
 
I feel the same way. The only consolation is my belief that it is “meant to be” by the Lord for our greater good, even if we don’t see it now.
 
robwar said:
Remember, Obama barely won, this was not a landslide by popular vote. 50% did not want him back.
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And - with such a narrow margin - if more Catholics had voted their conscience, then perhaps goodness would have prevailed.

These words should cut to the core of the matter: Jesus IS our conscience, the Sacred teachings of the Holy church are our guide on how to serve His with the grace and dignity he deserves. If some people don’t like what I am saying, then it is only because they cannot bear to look upon what they have done, but is is clear…

People chose Barabbas once again.

God Bless you, robwar for coming forward…
 
I voted also. Not only am I shocked by the outcome I am confused by it too. :confused:So many of us stood shoulder to shoulder . Our stand was firm and just. And yet, well, the outcome speaks for it’self.

Why?

I just dont understand.
 
Snowwhite16 said:
I voted also. Not only am I shocked by the outcome I am confused by it too. :confused:So many of us stood shoulder to shoulder . Our stand was firm and just. And yet, well, the outcome speaks for it’self.

Why?

I just dont understand.
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No, not all of us Catholics stood by our gracious Lord’s Sacred and Holy principles, which the church made very clear. If we had, then an evil election probably wouldn’t have been made.

The reason why can be found at Matthew 27:15-26

God bless you, Snowwhite16
 
No Catholic could vote either way. Both will promote the culture of death.

How can you not be relieved that Obama won? Our other option was much much worse.

Of course - I would not vote that either one should run the country.

edit: outlawing abortion does not stop abortion btw. I am against abortion! I am also against outlawing it.

I am more against cutting food benefits.

I am also against a rich politician telling us that we are wrong and lazy. I am tired of them putting all of the blame on the poor and all of the burden on the middle class. I am also tired of all of us (myself included) pointing fingers - not all rich people are for this evil agenda.
 
FaithInTheLord said:
No Catholic could vote either way. Both will promote the culture of death.

How can you not be relieved that Obama won? Our other option was much much worse.

Of course - I would not vote that either one should run the country.

edit: outlawing abortion does not stop abortion btw. I am against abortion! I am also against outlawing it.

I am more against cutting food benefits.

I am also against a rich politician telling us that we are wrong and lazy. I am tired of them putting all of the blame on the poor and all of the burden on the middle class. I am also tired of all of us (myself included) pointing fingers - not all rich people are for this evil agenda.
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Romney never called people poor and lazy. Where do you think the Government gets the money to give food benefits to others? They tax for it. If you don’t have a prosperous thriving economy, you will not have the tax base for food stamps. The better approach is to have a robust economy where people have jobs and do not have to depend on the government for food. The so called tax the rich only goes so far. The so called government war on poverty only created more poverty and dependence. Which is better just keep giving hand outs or have an economy that has jobs for people.? Abortions is murder and cuts the birth rate. The less children there are, the less future you have a a nation because you a killing the future tax base. Look at Europe with a negative birth rate and the problems they now have with an aging population and no one young coming up to support them.
 
I think it’s understandable to have these sorts of feelings. Beyond the presidential election, I am disappointed by some local elections. I am disappointed that gay marriage passed by referendum in three states for the first time (it was previously 0-32 on state ballots…the only places where it was legal before was where it was passed by legislators or judicial activists).

But then I also have reason for hope. Some of the local elections turned out well. Massachussetts voted down physician-assisted suicide. My own county which went to the President by 50 votes back in 2008 went to his opponent by 2000 votes this time around. As Rowbar pointed out, the margin of victory this time was much lower than last time.

All things work together for good for those who love the Lord. It’s okay to feel hurt, but we must not despair. We cannot withdraw into our own Catholic commune. We must be in the world, even while not being of the world. It wasn’t easy for Christ. It won’t be easy for us. But that doesn’t mean we don’t still do it. We have to. If we don’t, who else will?
 
I am apparently offending people with my petitions in other threads, so I am going to apologize in advance to any whom I may have offended log off. My conscience is clear on the intention behind the thread and how I voted, but I hesitate to go any further when the peaceable nature of these threads becomes disturbed.

But before I log off…

Please know I will not respond to further posts in this thread… However, I will read them… As for any further prayers here… Know they will be heard and prayed over by me…

If you wish me to address something directly, then feel free to PM me…

Thank you all.

:amen: :blessyou: :amen: :blessyou: :amen:

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I feel sad. I sobbed through Mass this morning. Gay marriage passed in my state and my children will never know life as innocently as I did. I’m sad for children who will not have a father AND mother to raise them. I’m sad that these children will not have the relationship skills to deal with both sexes. I’m sad that children have one more trap set for them. I’m also sad about the derogatory attitudes toward christian morality.

I feel at a loss. I already heard that a public school of 11ish year old’s were taught about homosexual foreplay. My heart breaks.

I fear that persecution will intensify and I fear I won’t have the courage to stand firm.

I don’t know if Romney would have protected our religious freedom but we already know that Obama wont. I can’t get over how far our nation has fallen into immorality. God’s standards seem to have no relevance in our society, no respect. What next?
 
Simcha Fisher at the National Catholic Register has an excellent column which pertains to the topic of this thread. It’s about the fear that good people have when they see evil triumphing in the world around them, and how to cope with that fear. I highly, highly recommend reading this if you are disturbed, as I am, by the election results.

ncregister.com/blog/simcha-fisher/dealing-with-fear/
 
Hello everyone. I was deeply hurt and frustrated last night. I was in the weirdest state, half angry, half sad. I felt betrayed. By who? Not by God. But just by people in general. I logged in to Facebook (not smart idea) and people were celebrating this and I went to bed knowing a lot of my co-workers would be celebrating it too. I felt alone and betrayed by humans in general. I even let my guard down and gave into a bit of lust out of pure apathy. I went to Confession and now have some peace about it. I don’t know why God didn’t bring us a victory but I have to believe it’s for our greater good. The first reading today hit me over the head and this line especially stood out: “so that you remain faultless and pure, unspoilt children of God surrounded by a deceitful and underhand brood, shining out among them like bright stars in the world.”

The world NEEDS us. We are commanded to be the light of the world, so it’s natural to think that because the world needs us, they are going to be unaware of the truth. We may not even reach all the people that should be reached but we need to do our parts. If this world is so corrupt and wicked, perhaps only influencing a small percentage of people is what God wants?

The Priest in the Confession (after I told him I felt very prideful and thinking that my opinions were better than everyone who voted for Obama) laughed and said that in this case, my opinion was better. It made me change my emotions, going from angry at pro Obama to feeling very sorry for them. We are blessed with this wonderful religion of ours. Gosh, to not have that, that would be hell. Before we can change peoples’ votes and their minds, let’s change their hearts.
 
My wife just forwarded me this great quote from Pope Benedict XVI at World Youth Day, Madrid, Spain, August 20, 2011:

“Dear friends, may no adversity paralyze you. Be afraid neither
of the world, nor of the future, nor of your weakness. The Lord
has allowed you to live in this moment of history so that, by your
faith, his name will continue to resound throughout the world.”

Don’t forget the end of the story: God wins.
 
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