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The last thing I need is people who are outraged that I would title this as defective soul. I simply want to know if there are people like me. I am catholic, raised catholic and go to mass regularly. However ever since I was I child I have always felt a disconnect to God. To this day I feel seperated, a lack of conviction, no surrender to belief, just angst my entire life because I know that I am different. I am 43. I believe I will die this way. I just dont know why I am this way. I remember as early as 7 feeling emptiness when I thought about God. Its never really changed. Only serious helpful responses please. No defensive responses please.
 
Hi norfolkcatholic. Welcome to the forums.

While I’m not outraged by the use of the word defective, I am curious as to why you use it. IF you have a defective part, don’t you return it to the manufacturer and get a part that isn’t defective, one that actually works correctly?

As to the rest of you post, there’s the old trite and true that faith isn’t a feeling. But that doesn’t offer much consolation when everyone you know or read is saying that they have all these wonderful feelings and that God is directly talking to them and all you’ve got is a whole lot of nothing. I totally understand. Or being told (I’ve had this happen way too often) that if I just prayed a certain prayer or took up a certain devotion then everything would be perfect as soon as I prayed that prayer. Gag me with a spoon. God is not a magic cure all that you put money into a vending machine and push a button and get what you need. Unfortunately, for many people, that is how they see God works for them.

The nice thing about being Catholic (though not for some people who want everything to be uniform and exactly alike) is that we can be Catholic in our own way as long as we are faithful to the teachings of the Church and the Magisterium. That means, you can pray certain devotions, a particular spirituality while I follow completely different devotions and spirituality and we’ll both be considered Catholics (again, as long as we adhere to the teaching of the Church, which I don’t think is an issue for you, from what I can gather from you’re post.)

Otherwise, for many of us, we just won’t have the nice consolations and feelings and what not that others have in this life. Certainly feels like we’re getting left out doesn’t it? Unfortunately, there’s been too much of an emphasis on feeling the faith which is a problem and not something is Catholic. And when everyone else is gushing about how they feel God and they hear him talking to them and all we seem to have is a whole lot of nothing and silence, it can be pretty defeating and depressing. But look at this way, if all you have is the highs and all of a sudden that gets taken away from you, how long are you going to last when everything starts piling up and you don’t hear God? If you base your faith even mostly on feelings and highs and just the good things, then should trouble come, you probably won’t have much of a chance of surviving the tough times.

So those like you and me, we have learned to live without. Easier to live without if you’ve never had in the first place. Those that had and then have it taken away will have a much harder time.

So (you may have been asked this before and I’ll probably repeat myself or others so bear with me) do you pray for faith? I know that as a kid, I learned, how very incorrectly, that faith was either something you had or didn’t have and I honestly believed that I didn’t have. I still don’t believe I have much faith at all. But I did learn that faith is a gift and you can ask for it. I pray for it but I have no idea if I have gotten it.

I also wonder about you emptiness when thinking about God. Could you explain that a bit more? I don’t think I understand that very well.

I’m not sure if I’ve been very helpful. If I don’t get back to you before next Tuesday/Wednesday, it’s not that I’m ignoring you. I work graveyard Friday through Monday and I don’t have a computer at home so I go to the university library and use theirs.

Have a good weekend.
 
Or being told (I’ve had this happen way too often) that if I just prayed a certain prayer or took up a certain devotion then everything would be perfect as soon as I prayed that prayer. Gag me with a spoon. :rotfl: 👍] God is not a magic cure all that you put money into a vending machine and push a button and get what you need.
👍 He’s not a genie’s lamp.
if all you have is the highs and all of a sudden that gets taken away from you, how long are you going to last when everything starts piling up and you don’t hear God? If you base your faith even mostly on feelings and highs and just the good things, then should trouble come, you probably won’t have much of a chance of surviving the tough times.
Righto! Look at Job: even in the worst possible circumstances, though he never gave up on God, he nonetheless poured out his honest feelings.

NFC, I’m not RC, so am not sure if you even want to hear from someone like me, but as one who didn’t come to faith until age 21, and have not shelved my mind since then, I can tell you that although, yes, I very much believe He’s there and that “all things consist in Him [Christ],” in so many ways His “approach” makes no sense to me. Like, why subject the whole creation to futility (Romans 8)? Or, why not just destroy Satan from the outset, squash him like a bug? Or why afflict one of His faithful with a Kafkaesque disease that has (biologically and morally speaking) no sound reason (in other words, the person lived totally healthily and morally, thereby not in any way endangering their body or potentiating the disease)? I could fill pages with questions, the point being that even as a believer, I don’t always have warm, fuzzy feelings or zero doubts (though the doubts are not about the core Gospel or about God’s existence; even before I became a Christian, in the core of my being, I knew there was a Supreme Being, but I viewed Him as distant—physically and emotionally—and totally self-contained, that is, not at all involved with us or the universe, once He had finished creating it all *).

Anyway, the fact that it bothers you would seem to indicate that on some level, perhaps subconsciously (just speculating; this is not the Pope speaking, now :)), you do care about Him and about knowing Him? Are you perhaps like some of us (me :o), too analytical about things, maybe even too harsh on yourself? Because if you were a rabid atheist, you wouldn’t give a fig about not “feeling” anything. Some of us are more cerebral than others.*
 
👍 He’s not a genie’s lamp.
Exactly my point. Yet there are people who see God and treat God this way. Not the OP.
Righto! Look at Job: even in the worst possible circumstances, though he never gave up on God, he nonetheless poured out his honest feelings.
There seems to be this idea in some circles that we can’t tell God how we really feel, that we should only be happy when talking to God. What beans. I tell God that I’m angry, frustrated, I cry, rant, rave, go off topic and many of those feelings are aimed at Him. Though I also tell Him why as well. God is bigger than our feelings and can handle them. The head and the heart go together. You can’t divide faith and reason which is what many people want and actually do. They think faith must be felt and that if you don’t feel it, then it must not exist. What a load of baloney. There were many saints that didn’t feel God’s presence. Mother Theresa, a contemporary blessed, lived most of her life without hearing Him and yet followed Him.
 
Thanks to all who have responded so far. To answer a few questions. Would you believe I get on my knees in the morning and at night and pray throughout the day to please, please help me to believe and have faith in him, to believe he exists and to accept Jesus into my life. Everyday of my life I have thought about God. Its just an empty space in my heart. Its like he is a historical figure from a book that does not exist anymore. Lived long ago. When I say defective I really mean it. There is something wrong with a person who prays daily, begs God to enter into her life, has raised her thoughts to God every day since childhood, follows catholic doctrine… and so one.

I I was really hoping someone could tell me what was wrong with me. Is so easy to say it must be something wrong that I am doing or not doing.

I mean something wrong with a person who who does all of this but cant feel a connection.
 
Thanks to all who have responded so far. To answer a few questions. Would you believe I get on my knees in the morning and at night and pray throughout the day to please, please help me to believe and have faith in him, to believe he exists and to accept Jesus into my life. Everyday of my life I have thought about God. Its just an empty space in my heart. Its like he is a historical figure from a book that does not exist anymore. Lived long ago. When I say defective I really mean it. There is something wrong with a person who prays daily, begs God to enter into her life, has raised her thoughts to God every day since childhood, follows catholic doctrine… and so one.

I I was really hoping someone could tell me what was wrong with me. Is so easy to say it must be something wrong that I am doing or not doing.

I mean something wrong with a person who who does all of this but cant feel a connection.
I fear you wouldn’t want to hear from me. I feel as you do. I fear there’s no*** there*** there.
Funny. I used to pray…sometimes every day, several TIMES a day when I was a kid/teen…did it do anything? Nah.

When I was a young adult…I think I started wondering-questioning, but I still hung on to a hope that perhaps there was something, but I just wasn’t understanding it…so I read, went to church (usually Protestant churches, though) and-still-nothing…and about a year or so ago…I REALLY started wondering, and reading books by people with the same mindset…and…well, here I am. Still searching. Haven’t managed to get a sense that I am wrong, though. Perhaps I am just too stubborn? Don’t know…
 
Thanks to all who have responded so far. To answer a few questions. Would you believe I get on my knees in the morning and at night and pray throughout the day to please, please help me to believe and have faith in him, to believe he exists and to accept Jesus into my life. Everyday of my life I have thought about God. Its just an empty space in my heart. Its like he is a historical figure from a book that does not exist anymore. Lived long ago. When I say defective I really mean it. There is something wrong with a person who prays daily, begs God to enter into her life, has raised her thoughts to God every day since childhood, follows catholic doctrine… and so one.

I I was really hoping someone could tell me what was wrong with me. Is so easy to say it must be something wrong that I am doing or not doing.

I mean something wrong with a person who who does all of this but cant feel a connection.
I have to be quick since I need to go home and sleep a little before my supervisor interview at noon. I don’t think there is anything wrong with you. Because, if there’s something wrong with you then there must be something wrong with me because I don’t feel connected either. As much as I can answer, I’m not sure if I can really help because I can’t get inside your head.

From what you’ve written, you are doing everything right. Probably better than some of us. After that, I can really offer little beyond I understand the whole not feeling a connection, the whole there must be something wrong with me, the whole enchilada. Granted, in my case, a lot of this comes from the abuse and neglect I suffered growing up. I did something wrong there I deserve to be treated this way, that God couldn’t possibly want me or love me or want to talk to me. There must be something fundamentally wrong with ME.

Yet, after coming to a small understanding that I was abused and neglected (it can be hard to accept even when people around me deny it because they don’t think abuse or neglect exist or that it exists in only extreme cases and I still don’t fully accept the fact that I was abused; I question what happened to me), it still doesn’t help to explain the way I feel. You feel that there has to be an explanation and when you try to explain to people they just don’t get it or they say that praying some prayer will solve everything (that magic cure all I was talking about before). I have had that foisted on me too many times before and it doesn’t work.

You feel that the only explanation is that there must be something wrong with you and you still can’t find one. You think that if you just figured out what was wrong with you then you could fix it and then everything would be alright. And you can’t find the thing that needs fixing. It keeps slipping and hiding in shadows and leaving you feel like nothing will ever work out. You do everything you can, follow all the advice you get and still nothing happens.

And you think God isn’t paying any attention to you at all or that you are so far down on the list as to not matter. You think God couldn’t possibly want to have anything to do with you when he has all these other people who seem so much better and so much more prayerful and more holy and can actually hear Him and you wonder if exist at all. And you pray but nothing seems to happen and yet some nobody can pray for the first time and they get everything. You wonder how long before God will notice you or hear you or even give you even the littlest, tiniest thing, if that’s even possible.

Okay, that wasn’t very quick and I really do need to go home and get some sleep. I have an interview at work and then my 12 hour grave shift tonight. I’ll be back next week either Tuesday or Wednesday.
 
When I say defective I really mean it. There is something wrong with a person who prays daily, begs God to enter into her life, has raised her thoughts to God every day since childhood, follows catholic doctrine… and so one.

I I was really hoping someone could tell me what was wrong with me. Is so easy to say it must be something wrong that I am doing or not doing.

I mean something wrong with a person who who does all of this but cant feel a connection.
I wouldn’t be so quick to latch onto the term “defective”.

The thing is, we’re all different, aren’t we? That’s a banal truism, to be sure, but what I mean to say is that faith does not always express itself through emotion.

The reason for this may not lie in our “soul”, but merely in our brain. The billions of neurons connected in trillions of ways have trillions upon trillions of permutations. The levels of neurotransmitters floating around, the rate at which they are or are not reabsorbed across the synapes – all of these are different for different people.

The result – some people are quiet, some are loud, some are patient, some are impatient, some are manic, some are depressive, some have high stimulus thresholds, some have low stimulus thresholds, some are “thinkers”, some are “feelers” – we’re all different.

I could take you to Mass and inject you with a chemical that would cause to “feel” all the various ephiphanies, “religious experiences”, ecstacies, etc. that you’ve been “missing”. Those who’ve tried LSD or other hallucanigenics often swear they’ve “plugged into” the spiritual world.

And I could leave you in a room by yourself with the same chemical and you’d feel the same things. We could cut open your head and electrically stimulate a part of your brain and you’d swear you’d had a “vision”.

God doesn’t care if you flail about with religious fervor, or if you quetly pray and study sacred writings, icons, statues, etc. like a scholar. It doesn’t make your “religious experience” any more or less authentic. I think it was Mother Theresa who complained, in her autobiography, that she just didn’t “feel” God. To the secular press, this was astonishing, but God “speaks” to us all in different ways.

If you want to take an antidepressant, a stimulant, a narcotic, or a hallucinogen to help your prayer life, that’s up to you, and you may well “feel” more religous, but existentially and ontologically, you are not changed.

You’ll do all right.
 
Thanks to all who have responded so far. To answer a few questions. Would you believe I get on my knees in the morning and at night and pray throughout the day to please, please help me to believe and have faith in him, to believe he exists and to accept Jesus into my life. Everyday of my life I have thought about God. Its just an empty space in my heart. Its like he is a historical figure from a book that does not exist anymore. Lived long ago. When I say defective I really mean it. There is something wrong with a person who prays daily, begs God to enter into her life, has raised her thoughts to God every day since childhood, follows catholic doctrine… and so one.

I I was really hoping someone could tell me what was wrong with me. Is so easy to say it must be something wrong that I am doing or not doing.

I mean something wrong with a person who who does all of this but cant feel a connection.
When I came back to the Church after to many years away, I truly felt God talking to me. He was real, He was there and He was happy to have me back. It was all a great revelation. My happiness was overflowing and people I knew saw the change. I talked about my reversion often.

But as time went on, I felt that euphoric feeling leaving me. I tried like heck to keep that feeling with me, but it was ebbing away. I still loved God with all of my heart and soul, but that fire I originally felt was going. At first I was upset and even thought God was leaving me. I prayed harder but to no avail. But then I read a couple of books about our wonderful saints, and they went through the same thing! I thought, how could that be? Well, when we are going down the wrong road, we see warning signs, such as “wrong way” or turn back" and God gives us similar signs when we are on the wrong road of life. But do we ever see road signs that tell us “right way”? No we don’t and once God gets us going down the right road, He sort of moves on. He certainly never abandons us, but He wants us to walk in deep faith of Him, not on our feelings.

We have to learn to walk in simple faith and just know He is there. It’s not easy, but it comes with spiritual maturity and much time. Mother Theresa and St. John of the Cross are two wonderful examples of people that felt the dryness that you are feeling, but they never doubted His presence. They walked along on faith alone. Try and relax and even slow down the prayers for awhile and listen. I am sure He is talking to you, likely not by voice, but by actions. Sit in front of the Blessed Sacrament, close your eyes and just repeat, “Jesus, I Trust In You”, slowly and deliberately and say nothing else, just listen for Him. He loves you and knows your whats in your heart.

Remember, feelings are like the surface of the ocean, always changing, often stormy, but your heart, which is like the depths of the ocean, is always calm no matter what happens on the surface. Put Jesus in your heart, the depths of the ocean, not on the surface…

You are not defective at all, you are a special child of God!🙂
 
I’ve experienced such emptiness recently, after experiencing many sensible consolations from God before. The lesson I am beginning to see is that God will always be HIDDEN in one way or another before we see Him face to face in heaven. If we are looking for him in our feelings, in what happens every day, in visible and sensilbe experiences, we will always be disappointed, because even though God is present in everything, He remains hidden beneath everything. Perhaps God delights in being hidden so that we will search for Him. Perhaps He is hidden because our being has been corrupted from orginal sin so that we have difficulty perceiving Him. Whatever the reason, it is helpful to know this hidden aspect about God so we could learn to search for Him in the silence, in the absence of feelings, in the quiet of everything. No words can truly fully express God. No feelings could truly describe Him.

Devotion to the Blessed Mother through the Rosary will be immensely helpful. Keep praying the Rosary everyday will do wonders. If you reflect on the life of Jesus and Mary, you will realize that their lives on earth were mostly completely hidden. There were no cameras, no video recordings, no huge crowds of fans. Most of their lives were lived in complete obscurity and commonness. The riches of their lives were rich unto eternity, but these riches were very much hidden from view.

Hope that offers a little bit of help. God bless you!
 
Well I least I know that I am not alone. Thanks to all I really appreciate everyones insight and I do feel better.
 
I think more Christians than not are walking the walk with Jesus on faith alone and do not experience much emotion when it comes to having a "connectedness’ with God, if the truth be told. The fact that you think about God every day tells me He is present and working in your life. The average unbeliever does not get up in the morning and think about God or even worry about it. There is nothing wrong with you, and God does not make defective souls.

What is important is your obedience and faithfulness. Those who persist to the end will be saved. The fact that one has to persist means there is nothing easy in the process. We persist in spite of the fact that we cannot see or “feel” His presence. That is what Mother Theresa and many of the great Saints did. St Theresa of Avila could not pray for 20 years. She felt that great emptiness. And she is a great Saint and Doctor of the Church. St Therese of Liseux, the Little Flower, also went through this. And she, too, is a great Saint and Doctor of the Church.

“Lord, I believe. Help my unbelief.” A prayer most Christians have to pray, IMO.
 
The last thing I need is people who are outraged that I would title this as defective soul. I simply want to know if there are people like me. I am catholic, raised catholic and go to mass regularly. However ever since I was I child I have always felt a disconnect to God. To this day I feel seperated, a lack of conviction, no surrender to belief, just angst my entire life because I know that I am different. I am 43. I believe I will die this way. I just dont know why I am this way. I remember as early as 7 feeling emptiness when I thought about God. Its never really changed. Only serious helpful responses please. No defensive responses please.
Wasn’t it Mother Theresa who didn’t hear from God for another 19 years after her call?
 
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