Defenders of Heretics?

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It seems that the answer is in the affirmative:

“The accursed perversity of heretics […] has so increased that now they exercise their wickedness not in secret, but manifest their error publicly, and win over the weak and simple-minded to their opinion. For this reason, We resolve to cast them, their defenders, and their receivers under anathema, and We forbid under anathema that any one presume to help heretics or to do business with heretics”-Third Lateran Council

“Canon 33. No one
shall pray in common with heretics and schismatics. …"-Council of Laodicea

“Moreover, we determine to subject to excommunication believers who receive, defend or support heretics……”-Fourth Lateran Council

“To know whom to avoid is a great means of saving our souls. […] Thus, the Church forbids the faithful to communicate with those unbelievers who have forsaken the faith by corrupting it, such as heretics, or by renouncing it, such as apostates.”-St Thomas Aquinas

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No not “do business” with them or “communicate” with them?
 
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“Canon 33. No one
shall pray in common with heretics and schismatics. …"-Council of Laodicea
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So Catholics and Eastern Orthodox are not allowed to pray together under paid of mortal sin? What if someone in your family is Eastern Orthodox and you invite them over for dinner ? So if you say a short prayer together with them before meals, it is a mortal sin? This seems to be pretty harsh especially if it is member of your family.
 
One of our recent bishops “received” a Lutheran and Episcopal bishop into the Cathedral for a joint prayer service. So I’m guessing our bishop became excommunicated? And any priestly or diaconal ordinations he performed subsequently were invalid?
 
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You are referring back to councils that are many centuries in the past. Times they have a changed. I think you might just get some people stirred up with this thread. 😮
 
I will leave my commanding officer to answer that one…
 
Way past my bedtime now. Sorry. It’s easy to look up anyways. Just Google it.
 
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Way past my bedtime now. Sorry. It’s easy to look up anyways. Just Google it.
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Google gives a lot of other links to condemnations for a Catholic to pray with a heretic or schismatic. It looks like you are excommunicated by doing so. “No one shall pray in common with heretics and schismatics” - Council of Laodicea. This is quite harsh if your spouse is Eastern Orthodox or Lutheran and you are Roman Catholic. Does this mean it is a sin for a husband and wife in a mixed marriage to say the Our Father together? Or suppose they say together a blessing before meals at the dinner table? It seems a bit severe to excommunicate people for praying together, especially if they are husband and wife in a mixed marriage.
 
You should look up the definitions of heresy and schism…

And have you ever read the documents of Vatican 2?
 
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It’s from an HBO series called the young pope. It was quite good, although I think I liked it for all the reasons the writers intended me not to.
 
Ah.
On occasion, I miss my television. 30 years and counting.

The looks on some of the Cardinals faces were as if they did not know for whom they voted…
 
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