Defending Heterosexual Marriage: Did you hear Melissa Ethridge's comments?

[Texas_Roofer]

Incest and polygamy I can’t speak for. If it’s two consenting adults, I’m not going to argue.

And there is a big issue with minors. Legally you aren’t responsible for yourself until you’re 18, so to consent fully, and legally, and know what you’re getting yourself into, you have to be an adult.

You have a problem there, if a person cannot consent until 18 you will have either full jails **or have to admit to allowing sex without adult consent **- not good, not good at all.

And your information was also found on sites that are already anti-gay. This data is skewed and produced by people trying to find the results they want. Similar to the “research” done when african americans were slaves and studies said that they has smaller brains.

I am sorry but that is not correct, the anti-gays certainly publish the data more often, but it is correct. They may add propaganda but they did not skew the data

Those articles are propaganda, not proof.

the data is accurate, I understand you may wish to reject it however it is correct

And those hetero couples who move in together…where is the research on how long they last? How about they compare that to gay couples living together instead.

if you want to look you can find that however I can tell you what it will be, younger hetero couples will have longer monogamy than their homo counters, while older hetero will be strongly different than older homos

How? I don’t see how it’s different. I know straight couples who do some weird stuff in bed too.

I believe you, the difference is heteros bond differently even in sexless marriages. Men and women are congruent and thus develop a much more inter dependence, while homos are never congruent and thus not interdependent. For example women always have the babies, never men. Women always breast feed and change the majority of diapers, and on, and on it goes.

 

[danih37]

You have a problem there, if a person cannot consent until 18 you will have either full jails **or have to admit to allowing sex without adult consent **- not good, not good at all.

I am sorry but that is not correct, the anti-gays certainly publish the data more often, but it is correct. They may add propaganda but they did not skew the data the data is accurate, I understand you may wish to reject it however it is correct if you want to look you can find that however I can tell you what it will be, younger hetero couples will have longer monogamy than their homo counters, while older hetero will be strongly different than older homos I believe you, the difference is heteros bond differently even in sexless marriages. Men and women are congruent and thus develop a much more inter dependence, while homos are never congruent and thus not interdependent. For example women always have the babies, never men. Women always breast feed and change the majority of diapers, and on, and on it goes.

So those arguments make it wrong?
And sorry to inform you, but that data is taken by people who are looking for something specific and if you look hard enough, you’ll find it.

 

[Robert_in_SD]

I saw on the View that Melissa Ethridge went off topic to discuss same-sex “marriage”. She said two things that I was wondering how you would address:

1. One group of people shouldn’t try to take away the rights of another group.
2. According to Thomas Jefferson, the majority should not be allowed to decide the fate or rights of a minority.

What are your thoughts?

I agree with both statements. But neither statement is relevant to the issue of so-called homosexual marriage, although the homosexual community would have you believe this is so.

The FACT is that in California the Domestic Partnership Act bestowed upon same sex couples who register as such the same rights enjoyed by married couples. The ONLY real issue is whether it is approrpiate to call the union of two same-sex people a marriage. That is not a right. That is not even a privilege. It is a philosophical debate that cuts to the heart of the matter… what is a marriage and what is not.

Throughout recorded history there has been no culture or civilization that recognized and protected the union of two same-sex persons as a “marriage” … primarily because the institution of marriage itself is founded upon the understanding that society has an interest in protecting and fostering the rearing of children in a stable environment.

What interest does society have in re-defining marriage to exclude this fundamental basis?

Peace,
-Robert

 

[siamesecat]

You have a problem there, if a person cannot consent until 18 you will have either full jails **or have to admit to allowing sex without adult consent **- not good, not good at all.

This is already the law. I don’t understand your point. If you’re speaking of two high schoolers having sex, than technically this is illegal but as they are both at fault no one is punished. But certainly if a 25 yr old and a high schooler have a relationship, it is illegal. Actually, I believe the age of consent is 16 but only with other 16 and 17 year olds. Over 18 year olds can only have sex with other people over 18. Under sixteen year olds aren’t supposed to be having sex at all, but unfortunately it happens. I’m arguing for keeping the law as it is, not rewriting it. One can support gay marriage without having to change this law. I only believe consenting adults should have sex

 

[wisdomseeker]

So because of your religion, homosexuals shouldn’t be able to marry the one they love?

did i say religion? either way.

i said the Living God. here is the One who matters. we must abide by the will of our Living God. He knows better than you.

people do what they want to do, but make no mistake what God declared wrong it is wrong.

it does not matter if government make it legal or not.

“I should not believe the Gospel except as moved by the authority of the Catholic Church.”
Saint Augustine (354-430), Against the Letter of Mani, 5,6, 397 A.D…

 

[Gamera]

That’s it…responsible adults. When you lower the age you affect other laws, molestation crimes, statutory rape, things of that sort.

I don’t see what other laws letting two gay people marry each other would affect.

Actually in the criminal justice system it depends on multiple things if you are tried as an adult at that age. Degree of criminal sophistication, Can they be rehabilitated, Previous delinquent history, Success of previous attempts on juvenile court to rehabilitate (if applicable), Circumstances and gravity of crime.

In most states 16 makes one an adult in the criminal justice system, period. Some states allow children YOUNGER than 16 to be prosecuted for violent felonies under criteria similar to those you list, but once you’re 16, you’re an adult in most states’ criminal justice systems, period.

 

[Gamera]

No. It’s a lie that everyone has the same rights.

Every adult has the same marriage rights.

 

[danih37]

Every adult has the same marriage rights.

But only if you follow hetero normative ideals

 

[Gamera]

But only if you follow hetero normative ideals

No, every adult has exactly the same marriage rights, regardless of what his or her ideals are.

 

[danih37]

No, every adult has exactly the same marriage rights, regardless of what his or her ideals are.

Well then not ideals, but only if you follow the hetero normative lifestyle

 

[Gamera]

Well then not ideals, but only if you follow the hetero normative lifestyle

No, that’s not true. You can be promiscuous and still get married. You can be bisexual or gay and still get married. You just cannot marry a person of your own gender because such a union doesn’t constitute a marriage.

Nobody is being discriminated against. Every adult is free to marry.

 

[danih37]

No, that’s not true. You can be promiscuous and still get married. You can be bisexual or gay and still get married. You just cannot marry a person of your own gender because such a union doesn’t constitute a marriage.

But being gay is not following a hetero normative lifestyle.
My main point is, yes gay people can get married, but not to someone that they love, so the fact that they can marry someone of the other gender is irrelevant because those marriages would be meaningless. Whereas straight people can marry the person they love legally.

 

[Gamera]

But being gay is not following a hetero normative lifestyle.
My main point is, yes gay people can get married, but not to someone that they love, so the fact that they can marry someone of the other gender is irrelevant because those marriages would be meaningless. Whereas straight people can marry the person they love legally.

Oh. Yes, that’s certainly true. That’s because marriage is a union between one member of each gender, which makes it logically impossible for two members of the same gender to marry. My point is that the government lacks the authority to change the nature of marriage by some legislative fiat.

 

[danih37]

Oh. Yes, that’s certainly true. That’s because marriage is a union between one member of each gender, which makes it logically impossible for two members of the same gender to marry. My point is that the government lacks the authority to change the nature of marriage by some legislative fiat.

Well that’s your definition of marriage. Here is where the issue lies…just because you don’t view same sex marriage as marriage, doesn’t mean it isn’t one

 

[Gamera]

Well that’s your definition of marriage. Here is where the issue lies…just because you don’t view same sex marriage as marriage, doesn’t mean it isn’t one

By that logic, just because a gay couple views their relationship as a marriage, doesn’t mean it is a marriage. Right?

 

[danih37]

By that logic, just because a gay couple views their relationship as a marriage, doesn’t mean it is a marriage. Right?

So the whole issue here is the term? Why does it matter what it’s called. It’ll have the same effect regardless of whether it’s called gay marriage, civil union, or domestic partnership, as long as it has the same rights

 

[Gamera]

So the whole issue here is the term? Why does it matter what it’s called. It’ll have the same effect regardless of whether it’s called gay marriage, civil union, or domestic partnership, as long as it has the same rights

No, it won’t have the same effect, or else gay activists would settle for civil unions. They want society to re-define marriage to accomodate them.

Government never surrenders power voluntarily. If we give the government the power to re-invent marriage, it’ll make the Patriot Act look like the Bill of Rights.

 

[danih37]

No, it won’t have the same effect, or else gay activists would settle for civil unions. They want society to re-define marriage to accomodate them.

Government never surrenders power voluntarily. If we give the government the power to re-invent marriage, it’ll make the Patriot Act look like the Bill of Rights.

Well at this point civil unions aren’t the same. They don’t grant the same rights and they aren’t federally recognized.
And yeah, if people would get over their views of traditional marriage to include gay relationships, it would be nice.

And it’s not reinventing if the relationships already exist, they’ll just be validated.

 

[Gamera]

Well at this point civil unions aren’t the same. They don’t grant the same rights and they aren’t federally recognized.
And yeah, if people would get over their views of traditional marriage to include gay relationships, it would be nice.

And it’s not reinventing if the relationships already exist, they’ll just be validated.

But gay marriage doesn’t exist. It is a logical impossibility. And as a married man, I don’t want society to “get over” the institution of marriage which forms one of its building blocks. And I sure don’t want to live under a government that claims unlimited power.

 

[Texas_Roofer]

So those arguments make it wrong?

Make what wrong? What is “it”? Is it tax laws?

And sorry to inform you, but that data is taken by people who are looking for something specific and if you look hard enough, you’ll find it.

The three articles cite well over 100 referrences please feel free to research as much as you want, the results will not change. I have read some pro-gay sites and they do not dispute the data. Really common sense tells you men and women will have a different relationship from two men or two women.