Defending Heterosexual Marriage: Did you hear Melissa Ethridge's comments?

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We don’t truly understand what makes a person gay or straight other than sexual desires and epithets thrown at people in hate. A person can be attracted to both sexes. If a bisexual enters into a heterosexual union, he should be open with his perspective spouse about his orientation(s). Then she is fully aware of what she is creating with him. He needs to respect his vow, as much as she needs to be grounded in the reality that she cannot “love” away his bisexuality.
 
We don’t truly understand what makes a person gay or straight other than sexual desires and epithets thrown at people in hate. A person can be attracted to both sexes. If a bisexual enters into a heterosexual union, he should be open with his perspective spouse about his orientation(s). Then she is fully aware of what she is creating with him. He needs to respect his vow, as much as she needs to be grounded in the reality that she cannot “love” away his bisexuality.
I second that!!👍
 
If Melissa Etheridge **actually **believed that one group of people shouldn’t try to take away the rights of another group and that the majority should not be allowed to decide the fate or rights of a minority, then she would not have participated in the so-called “March for Women’s Lives” which advocates taking away the right to life of every unborn baby.

But, of course, she **doesn’t **actually believe this.
Well said. It is simple to see the hypocrisy in statements from the so called afflicted. They to wage war against your own beliefs and tell you that you are wrong. Yet they speak of how we all should have the right to live, and live the way we want, but won’t let the living (unborn child) have a chance to express themselves. God bless this troubled world and all who suffer!
 
I agree with the Mildred Loving remark…it is comparable to show “equal rights” aren’t always equal. The judge in her case said something to the effect of “God made us dfferent colors and put us on different continents for a reason…he didn’t mean for us to mix.” That doesn’t sound too different to me from “God gave men a pens and women a vagina for a reason…he didn’t want same sex couples.”
 
I agree with the Mildred Loving remark…it is comparable to show “equal rights” aren’t always equal. The judge in her case said something to the effect of “God made us dfferent colors and put us on different continents for a reason…he didn’t mean for us to mix.” That doesn’t sound too different to me from “God gave men a pens and women a vagina for a reason…he didn’t want same sex couples.”
You seem to think this is about whether homosexual acts should be legal. That isn’t the issue. The issue is whether the government possesses the power to change the definition of marriage to mean something which it has never meant before. One doesn’t need to believe in God at all to think that government shouldn’t hold unlimited power.
 
I agree with the Mildred Loving remark…it is comparable to show “equal rights” aren’t always equal. The judge in her case said something to the effect of “God made us dfferent colors and put us on different continents for a reason…he didn’t mean for us to mix.” That doesn’t sound too different to me from “God gave men a pens and women a vagina for a reason…he didn’t want same sex couples.”
It is not illegal to be a same sex couple. However same sex couples cannot file taxes as a corporation but again that is not discrimination, they are not a corporation. Yet the arguement is since there are corporations shouldn’t same sex couples have equal rights to corporations? In the same breath since heteros can produce children shouldn’t all child producing protection apply to same sex couples despite the fact they cannot produce children?
 
You seem to think this is about whether homosexual acts should be legal. That isn’t the issue. The issue is whether the government possesses the power to change the definition of marriage to mean something which it has never meant before. One doesn’t need to believe in God at all to think that government shouldn’t hold unlimited power.
Do current marriage laws state it is between a man and a woman? If not, they are not changing the definition. And even if they did, it’s not equal to having limited power. The government changes lots of things for different reasons, some of which are right, and some of which are wrong.
 
Well said. It is simple to see the hypocrisy in statements from the so called afflicted. They to wage war against your own beliefs and tell you that you are wrong. Yet they speak of how we all should have the right to live, and live the way we want, but won’t let the living (unborn child) have a chance to express themselves. God bless this troubled world and all who suffer!
I’d agree with this if I believed Melissa Etheridge thought of fetuses as children…she clearly doesn’t. Obviously, the fact that so many good and loving people have abortions shows that they do not at all view it as murdering a baby. I understand you believe this position is totally wrong, but they just don’t feel that way. So she doesn’t see any hypocrisy.

Everyone I know is pro-choice…they just don’t see fetuses as babies, and you have to understand that. Declaring them all evil murderers does nothing because its expecting thm to act a certain way based on knowledge or positions they just don’t understand.

I had an argument with a friend who is extemely pro-choice…and she is actually against adoption because she believes it is too painful for the mother to know there’s achild out there and too risky to put a child in a situation where you don’t know who is raising it. I said is having an uncertian life where the bio mom is upset worse than no life at all? And she said that at the point fetuses are aborted, they have no life at all…and don’t until we decide to give them one. I disagree, you disagree, but this is honestly how she feels. I don’t think she’s an evil person because she just does not see it as murder, and I understnad that. She said f you’re so concerned about everyone getting a chance at life, you should be constantly trying to get pregnant because every time you get your period, you just denied something the chance at life.

And to me that is a good point. Even though an unfertilized egg is not yet human life, it has as much potential as a fetus that is a few cells big…so I can’t panic about giving everyone life all the time. I guess after this conversation I became more pro-choice, even though I think adoption is great, because I just feel like we can’t worry about constantly tryng to bring life into the world when it can not yet feel or think or really even exist. As a non-Christian, i don’t believe in souls, so I don’t think of an embryo being a souled being while an unfertilized egg is not.
 
I’d agree with this if I believed Melissa Etheridge thought of fetuses as children…she clearly doesn’t. Obviously, the fact that so many good and loving people have abortions shows that they do not at all view it as murdering a baby. I understand you believe this position is totally wrong, but they just don’t feel that way. So she doesn’t see any hypocrisy.

Everyone I know is pro-choice…they just don’t see fetuses as babies, and you have to understand that. Declaring them all evil murderers does nothing because its expecting thm to act a certain way based on knowledge or positions they just don’t understand.

I had an argument with a friend who is extemely pro-choice…and she is actually against adoption because she believes it is too painful for the mother to know there’s achild out there and too risky to put a child in a situation where you don’t know who is raising it. I said is having an uncertian life where the bio mom is upset worse than no life at all? And she said that at the point fetuses are aborted, they have no life at all…and don’t until we decide to give them one. I disagree, you disagree, but this is honestly how she feels. I don’t think she’s an evil person because she just does not see it as murder, and I understnad that. She said f you’re so concerned about everyone getting a chance at life, you should be constantly trying to get pregnant because every time you get your period, you just denied something the chance at life.

And to me that is a good point. Even though an unfertilized egg is not yet human life, it has as much potential as a fetus that is a few cells big…so I can’t panic about giving everyone life all the time. I guess after this conversation I became more pro-choice, even though I think adoption is great, because I just feel like we can’t worry about constantly tryng to bring life into the world when it can not yet feel or think or really even exist. As a non-Christian, i don’t believe in souls, so I don’t think of an embryo being a souled being while an unfertilized egg is not.
It seems to me that some people are just tooting the horn of moral relativism. Your response that I guess Etheridge doesn’t think fetuses are children, well that’s moral relativism. It’s not about opinion, and that’s what I’m hearing constantly from the pro-homosexual-marriage side. It’s like, well, you don’t agree with it, but you can’t tell other people, etc. Or, that’s their opinion.

If we based everything on opinion, then everything is justified. The mob had plenty of reasons to kill people they didn’t like. If I said that’s wrong, are you going to say, well, the mob’s opinion is that it’s right, so why are you imposing your beliefs on them? And that seems to be the argument.

What you really need to ask is why every culture on earth has made marriage between a man and a woman. Even if there were variations, like polygamy, it still had the same intent. For example, one man could be in 5 marriages with 5 women, but it was still a man and a woman, 5 times. But a man and a man in a marriage was never sanctioned like that, not in 99% of the world at least. And there’s a reason. People saw the necessity for strong stable relationships in order to raise children.

If there was nothing wrong with a man and a man raising a child without a woman, or two women without a man, then why did God create men and women differently? They complement each other for a reason. If any combination was just as good, then God would have made everyone the same, but he didn’t.
 
People saw the necessity for strong stable relationships in order to raise children.
And you think homosexuals who merry hetrosexuals will acomplish this! :clapping:

Not looking to chat right now. Really busy. Just had to say this.
 
And you think homosexuals who merry hetrosexuals will acomplish this! :clapping:

Not looking to chat right now. Really busy. Just had to say this.
This makes no sense whatsoever. The point made above is that gays and starights have the same rights – namely, the right to marry a person of the opposite sex. Nobody in this thread suggested that it would be a good idea for a gay person to marry a member of the opposite sex – that wasn’t the point being made.
 
It seems to me that some people are just tooting the horn of moral relativism. Your response that I guess Etheridge doesn’t think fetuses are children, well that’s moral relativism. It’s not about opinion, and that’s what I’m hearing constantly from the pro-homosexual-marriage side. It’s like, well, you don’t agree with it, but you can’t tell other people, etc. Or, that’s their opinion.

If we based everything on opinion, then everything is justified. The mob had plenty of reasons to kill people they didn’t like. If I said that’s wrong, are you going to say, well, the mob’s opinion is that it’s right, so why are you imposing your beliefs on them? And that seems to be the argument.

What you really need to ask is why every culture on earth has made marriage between a man and a woman. Even if there were variations, like polygamy, it still had the same intent. For example, one man could be in 5 marriages with 5 women, but it was still a man and a woman, 5 times. But a man and a man in a marriage was never sanctioned like that, not in 99% of the world at least. And there’s a reason. People saw the necessity for strong stable relationships in order to raise children.

If there was nothing wrong with a man and a man raising a child without a woman, or two women without a man, then why did God create men and women differently? They complement each other for a reason. If any combination was just as good, then God would have made everyone the same, but he didn’t.
It is relativistic but I’m just saying that even if you believe abortion is wrong, and I get that, it’s not like Melissa Etheridge thinks the same way a Nazi killing a Jewish baby did. Most people do not get as upset over a miscarriage as by the death ofa born child (they still get upset of course). Far less get upset by an ectopic pregnancy or a failed IVF treatment by mourning the loss of the embryos as they would a child. People just do not have the same attachment or feel the same way in general…so I just don’t see Melissa Etheridge as an awful intentional murderer…that may be the result, but to label her that way is wrong to me.

Why did God create men able to have kids until 80? Why did he create 12 year old girls who can have kids? A lot of things God made us to do we don’t follow…and plus the US isn’t a theocracy.

Marriage was always between a man and a woman because before the days of birth control and real society, if a woman got pregnant, she was very vulnerable and then needed to care for young kids…so she needed someone to take care of her. Naturally, that responsibilty generally fell on the man fathering the child…it was necessary for society to function. And it stuck. It’s a good model. But just as we no longer need girls to ahve 20 kids starting at 12 at the hope some of them will survive long enough to raise the younger ones when the mom dies at 30, we no longer need a male to protect the woman and child. And men don’t need a woman around to raise the kids, as both parents can fill that role now. Plus we have things like surrogacy/sperm donation…which while against Catholic teaching are legal and widely used. I mean, it’s still great for kids to have a dad, I’m not knocking them. I have no problem with the traditional family. But as we don’t go by Catholic law, and society no longer needs the model of the traditional family as it once did, I don’t see a problem with it.
 
Nobody in this thread suggested that it would be a good idea for a gay person to marry a member of the opposite sex – that wasn’t the point being made.
So what say you? Is it a good idea or not?
 
What would happen if a bisexual got married and raised children?
It would seem you have already answered? The question is what does the bisexual receive from the same sex partner and what price is paid for that from the children and from the spouse?partner
 
You misunderstand, he doesn’t act on his gay feelings, only his heterosexual feelings and he is raising children. What do you think?
 
What would happen if a bisexual got married and raised children?
It would seem you have already answered? The question is what does the bisexual receive from the same sex partner and what price is paid for that from the children and from the spouse?partner
You misunderstand, he doesn’t act on his gay feelings, only his heterosexual feelings and he is raising children. What do you think?
The questions seems to be how much does time does he want to spend with an SSA partner? And second how deep does he love his wife? By definition he does not give himself fully to his wife and children, but is he holding back 1%, 10%, or 50%?
 
What would constitute enough of a depth of love to be sincere?
51% or does it need to be a passing grade of 70%?
 
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