Defense of the Catholic Church from a non Catholic

[PJM]

=Richard_Feynman;11915474]I can’t stand when people do this! When I quote the Bible (which came from the Catholic Church) I’m (apparently) always taking my quotes out of context. I’m so often accused, I decided to coin the acronym “OOC” meaning Out Of Context. Me being accused of taking things OOC is my biggest pet peeve! I just can’t understand how they are always correct (to the point of claiming infallibility on certain matters) and I’m always wrong. I have made them come to the realization that they are wrong in this fundamental logic, but it’s too widespread to be acceptable to me.

Sorry to ramble on! It’s just that I deal with strange logic everyday… So I get fed up sometimes. Again I apologize for possibly derailing this thread.

Richard Feynman

Perhaps I can explain why this happens.

We Catholics KNOW something that ought to be apparant, at least to all other Christians.

There is BUT One God
One TRUE sets of Faith beliefs
Who following His Own OT tradition of choosing ONE Chosen people; FOUNDED, Guides and Protects only His One Church.

Therefore ALL faiths outside of the Catholic Chuirch are to varying degrees “Self-appointed” on the basis of knowing more; knowing Better than GOD and His CC, and in direct oppostiton to God’s Divne and Perfect Will.

Actions always have consequences; and when those actions ATTACK the Soverignity of God by establishing, and or in any manner supporting OPPOSING faiths, the consequences are going to be simolar to the actions; bad.

Luke 10:16 "He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me."

GOD WITHOLDS HIS GRACES OF RIGHT UNDERSTANDING AND WISDOM SO THAT THESE FOLKS ARE LITERALLY UNABLE TO UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH; UNTIL THEY TURN BACK TO GOD AND BEGAN TO QUESTION THE MORAL LOGIC OF WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN DOING… And that my friend is WHY it happens with regullarity. And that is why it is not a good idea for us to get upset about it.

PRAY fior them. Then you will receive God grace for your charity:thumbsup:

John 10: 16 And I have other sheep, that are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will heed my voice. So there shall be one flock, one shepherd.

1 John 4: “Little children, you are of God, and have overcome them; for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. **They are of the world, therefore what they say is of the world, and the world listens to them. **We are of God. Whoever knows God listens to us, and he who is not of God does not listen to us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.

Eph. 2:19 So then you are no longer strangers and sojourners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, [singular] built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure is joined together and grows into a holy temple in the Lord; [singular] in whom you also are built into it for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.”

Eph. 4: 1-7 “I therefore, a prisoner for the Lord, beg you to lead a life worthy of the calling to which you have been called, with all lowliness and meekness, with patience, forbearing one another in love, eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body [WHICH MEANS ONE CHURCH] and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call, one Lord, one faith, [ONE SET OF FAITH BELIEFS], one baptism, one God and Father of us all, who is above all and through all and in all. But grace was given to each of us according to the measure of Christ’s gift"

Jn.12: 34 This is in the context of the last Supper discourse “20 Truly, truly, I say to you, he who receives any one whom I send receives me; and he who receives me receives him who sent me."

1 Peter 1: “12 It was revealed to them that they were serving not themselves but you, in the things which have now been announced to you by those who preached the good news to you through the Holy Spirit sent from heaven, things into which angels long to look.”

Mt. 7: 21-23 "Not every one who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers.”

2nd. Cor. 9: 13 “Under the test of this service, you will glorify God by your obedience in acknowledging the gospel of Christ,”

So be at peace. Smile and suggest they pray about it; and leave it at that.

God Bless you,
Patrick

 

[PJM]

=CuriousMike;11915355]One of my friends, who is substantially older than I, (about 10 years or so), has a similar “story.”
That person left the Catholic-Church in their teens, due to some sort of misunderstanding of the belief and the like.

After a friendly debate we had last week, I’ve decided to just “keep my mouth shut” on certain issues - since (like a lot of the Protestant folk), you can quote from scripture without ignoring what you say and refuting you by claiming you are mis-quoting (etc.).

For a while, I sorta bashed Catholicism myself. But then I felt drawn to the Church, started researching, and then found myself defending them.
I started to attend Mass, and I decided to enrol into an RCIA course.
Careful 'cause its a slippery slope!

MY DEAR FELLOW CATHOLICS,

We need to be aware that “working FOR Christ” is NOT necessarly the same as DOING GOD"S WORK.:

Very seldom is OUR task as laity to CONVERT someone to our Faith. That dear freind is GOD"S task.

Ours is to permit God to USE US as His instraments. To Know WELL our Faith, to share it when the HS orovides the opportunity. Always with charity and facts. To live it publically, and to defend it when necessary to do so.

I share this because we ought not be focused on the RESULTS of our efforts; but on the charitry and factulness of our responses. We do the “seeding” and then ALLOW God to provide the water and sun for growth.

God Bless you,
Patrick

 

[Richard_Feynman]

Perhaps I can explain why this happens.

We Catholics KNOW something that ought to be apparant, at least to all other Christians.

There is BUT One God
One TRUE sets of Faith beliefs
Who following His Own OT tradition of choosing ONE Chosen people; FOUNDED, Guides and Protects only His One Church.

Therefore ALL faiths outside of the Catholic Chuirch are to varying degrees “Self-appointed” on the basis of knowing more; knowing Better than GOD and His CC, and in direct oppostiton to God’s Divne and Perfect Will.

Actions always have consequences; and when those actions ATTACK the Soverignity of God by establishing, and or in any manner supporting OPPOSING faiths, the consequences are going to be simolar to the actions; bad.

Luke 10:16 "He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me."

GOD WITHOLDS HIS GRACES OF RIGHT UNDERSTANDING AND WISDOM SO THAT THESE FOLKS ARE LITERALLY UNABLE TO UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH; UNTIL THEY TURN BACK TO GOD AND BEGAN TO QUESTION THE MORAL LOGIC OF WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN DOING… And that my friend is WHY it happens with regullarity. And that is why it is not a good idea for us to get upset about it.

PRAY fior them. Then you will receive God grace for your charity:thumbsup:

John 10: 16 And I have other sheep, that are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will heed my voice. So there shall be one flock, one shepherd.

1 John 4: “Little children, you are of God, and have overcome them; for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. **They are of the world, therefore what they say is of the world, and the world listens to them. **We are of God. Whoever knows God listens to us, and he who is not of God does not listen to us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.

Eph. 2:19 So then you are no longer strangers and sojourners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, [singular] built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure is joined together and grows into a holy temple in the Lord; [singular] in whom you also are built into it for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.”

Eph. 4: 1-7 “I therefore, a prisoner for the Lord, beg you to lead a life worthy of the calling to which you have been called, with all lowliness and meekness, with patience, forbearing one another in love, eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body [WHICH MEANS ONE CHURCH] and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call, one Lord, one faith, [ONE SET OF FAITH BELIEFS], one baptism, one God and Father of us all, who is above all and through all and in all. But grace was given to each of us according to the measure of Christ’s gift"

Jn.12: 34 This is in the context of the last Supper discourse “20 Truly, truly, I say to you, he who receives any one whom I send receives me; and he who receives me receives him who sent me."

1 Peter 1: “12 It was revealed to them that they were serving not themselves but you, in the things which have now been announced to you by those who preached the good news to you through the Holy Spirit sent from heaven, things into which angels long to look.”

Mt. 7: 21-23 "Not every one who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers.”

2nd. Cor. 9: 13 “Under the test of this service, you will glorify God by your obedience in acknowledging the gospel of Christ,”

So be at peace. Smile and suggest they pray about it; and leave it at that.

God Bless you,
Patrick

Thank you for the kind words and advice. I most certainly will pray for them. And I will suggest they pray about it.

 

[Deputy_Seraph]

…Hmm; isn’t the 3td COMMANDMENT; "KEEP HOLY The SABBTH DAY? Read Mt. 19:17

thank you. I have.

On this one MY FRIEND, you’re both wrong:

Mt. 7: 21"Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven"

John 20:19-23
".Now when it was late that same day, the first of the week, and the doors were shut, where the disciples were gathered together, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst, and said to them: Peace be to you. And when he had said this, he shewed them his hands and his side. The disciples therefore were glad, when they saw the Lord.

“He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. [FYI: THIS MEAS EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS: WITH GODS OWN POWERS AND AUTHORITY. READ MT. 10:1-8] ** When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost.** Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.”

This was not a new invention. God used priest in the OT too:…

And just as Yahweh had ONLY “one chosen people” [The jews]; Christ followed His own tradition and choose to have just ONE Church. Todays CC. AS A FYI: For nearly 1,000 YEARS todays catholic Church was the ONLY Christian church anywg=here in the World. And it’s illogical to think that Christ would have waithed for Henry, Luther, Wycliffe, Calvin oe Jones; 1,500 years to introfuce his one set of true FAITH beliefs.
…
or which we THANK you!

God Bless you,
Patrick

What is wrong? The once a year thing? That we can talk to Him any time we want? What?
Thanks.

1457 According to the Church’s command, "after having attained the age of discretion, each of the faithful is bound by an obligation faithfully to confess serious sins at least once a year."56 Anyone who is aware of having committed a mortal sin must not receive Holy Communion, even if he experiences deep contrition, without having first received sacramental absolution, unless he has a grave reason for receiving Communion and there is no possibility of going to confession.57 Children must go to the sacrament of Penance before receiving Holy Communion for the first time.58

1458 Without being strictly necessary, confession of everyday faults (venial sins) is nevertheless strongly recommended by the Church.59 Indeed the regular confession of our venial sins helps us form our conscience, fight against evil tendencies, let ourselves be healed by Christ and progress in the life of the Spirit. By receiving more frequently through this sacrament the gift of the Father’s mercy, we are spurred to be merciful as he is merciful:60

 

[PJM]

=Deputy Seraph;11917523]thank you. I have.

What is wrong? The once a year thing? That we can talk to Him any time we want? What?
Thanks.

1457 According to the Church’s command, "after having attained the age of discretion, each of the faithful is bound by an obligation faithfully to confess serious sins at least once a year."56 Anyone who is aware of having committed a mortal sin must not receive Holy Communion, even if he experiences deep contrition, without having first received sacramental absolution, unless he has a grave reason for receiving Communion and there is no possibility of going to confession.57 Children must go to the sacrament of Penance before receiving Holy Communion for the first time.58

1458 Without being strictly necessary, confession of everyday faults (venial sins) is nevertheless strongly recommended by the Church.59 Indeed the regular confession of our venial sins helps us form our conscience, fight against evil tendencies, let ourselves be healed by Christ and progress in the life of the Spirit. By receiving more frequently through this sacrament the gift of the Father’s mercy, we are spurred to be merciful as he is merciful:60

What’s wrong with Once a Year is a GREAT Question.

But, IMO [God agrees with me here] what we should ask is WHATS GREAT about going more often?

Once a year is OK IF you don’t have a Mortal sins that can damn one to hell for all Eternity. There is no guarentee that we WILL live long enough to get to Confession.

PLUS, having a Mortal sin’ unconfessed and unforgiven prohibits us from RECEIVING Holy Communion worthily [1st. Cor. 11; 23-30]

All of the Sacraments are a SOURSE of God’s Grace; GRACE WE NEED to become better catholics and closer in our personal relationship with God.

Consider this passge; this critical lesson from Christ Himself:

Rev. 3: 16-17 “But because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold, not hot, I will begin to vomit thee out of my mouth. Because thou sayest: I am rich, and made wealthy, and have need of nothing: and knowest not, that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked”

Darn few people get to heaven being a minalist. These folks unnecessarly put their souls at risk.

Heb.6: 10 “For God is not so unjust as to overlook your work and the love which you showed for his sake in serving the saints, as you still do.”

Rev.2: 23 “and I will strike her children dead. And all the churches shall know that I am he who searches mind and heart, and I will give to each of you as your works deserve.”

1 Peter 1: 17 “Now if you invoke as Father him who judges impartially according to each one’s works, conduct yourselves with reverence during the time of your sojourning, “

One ought to not consider themselves wise, in freely choosing to get away with AS much as one can:shrug:

God Bless you,

Patrick

 

[Deputy_Seraph]

ccc says at least once a year, which was simply a clarification of this former Catholic church goer’s misinformation of his own faith.

“I don’t need a priest to confess my sins, be it weekly, monthly or whatever.”

~

“Neither do Catholics.Sorta. They can pray and apologize to Him any time they want. But, yes, they believe that the priest, as persona Christi Capitas, or, in the Person of Christ the Head, is the facilitator. Weekly isn’t required. **Even monthly isn’t required but strongly suggested. **So yes, the Catholic Church has the sacrament of confession, required at least once a year via a priest. But Catholics, indeed, all Christians can and should pray directly to God as well when we are sorry for our sins and to ask for His forgiveness. ”

 

[chefmomster2]

You’re doing a wonderful job! I am bothered by criticisms which are invalidly based on wrong information. I don’t mind an honest difference of opinion because we are at least starting at the same point. Thank you!