Defining "Evangelical Christian"

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I like Billy Graham alot, but just because he is Evangelical, does not make everyone who agrees with his message Evangelic. For example, my parents who belong to the Evangelical Free church I described are no more “Evangelical” than any Practicing Catholic I’ve met.
Well, for my purposes “evangelical” is used to describe “adherents of Evangelicalism,” which is the common every day usage in my part of the world (i.e. the US). And I don’t care how evangelistic a Catholic might be, that does not make him an adherent of Evangelicalism, because if it did he would no longer be Catholic but an evangelical Protestant. 😃
 
Well, for my purposes “evangelical” is used to describe “adherents of Evangelicalism,” which is the common every day usage in my part of the world (i.e. the US). And I don’t care how evangelistic a Catholic might be, that does not make him an adherent of Evangelicalism, because if it did he would no longer be Catholic but an evangelical Protestant. 😃
Ok, so then there are Evangelical Protestants and non-Evangelical Protestants?

What makes one Evangelical and not? It seems to me that in many ways, Darryl B’s comments are accurate. They are a more simple communion, who avoids definitions and doctrine to appear more Biblical. They avoid “ties” with history and Church doctrine. But they weren’t the ones who had to defend the True doctrine from false doctrine. Thats usually the way that Catholic doctrine is formed… In seperating what the Church believes from a false understanding. Otherwise, there are the principal doctrines which are more simple and general.

When Protestant communions are confronted with critique and different opposing doctrine (from within), they usually just depart from a label which they did identify under to a new label. That why my childhood church was “Non-Denominational” and somehow just became “Evangelical Free”. Maybe in 10, 20, or however many yrs, they will be something of a different label.

Maybe its fair to say that Evangelicals are the most “locally” oriented communions in the greater Church. They are extremely reliant on the immediate “in house” board of leaders. This is not to ignore their ambition to follow Scripture, yet in the end, its practice, teaching, and interpretation is greatly defined by their current pastor and staff. Which there can be a certain accountability in this system. i was told the process of choosing a new pastor is for the applicants to “defend their faith” before the board.
 
I have only the vaguest knowledge of E-Free churches. Never attended one, so I won’t attempt to chart out how exactly they relate to other evangelicals. Hopefully, other people who can will chime in.

I do know that the E-Free Church has roots in Swedish and Norwegian Lutheran churches.
Oh, yes. I think it was circa 1830’s when immigrants from there went to the States and established their communion.
 
Everyone has done a great job trying to define a word (“evangelical”) that can be a bit of a moving target because it is used in so many different ways. Evangelicalism is one of the three streams of the historic Christian faith. The list below is simplified from Three Streams, One River allsaintswritersblock.wordpress.com/2012/03/05/three-streams-one-river-fr-jurgens-farewell-discourse/.
  • Evangelical Stream = focuses on sharing the Gospel and the importance of the Bible in the life and authority of the church
  • Charismatic Stream = focuses on empowerment by the Spirit to carry out the mission of evangelism and life the new life of the Gospel
  • Catholic Stream = focuses on the deposit of the faith or the sacramental and liturgical traditions of the church
I love the idea of three streams in one river and the fact that they can run together harmoniously.
 
What makes one Evangelical and not?
OK. John Stackhouse sort of repeats what Olson says but in different language:

Evangelicals maintain Protestant orthodoxy: they believe what their various denominations have historically taught about Christian doctrine, with special emphasis on Christology and soteriology;
Evangelicals experience conversion: they might enjoy a particular dramatic moment, or they might undergo a long process punctuated by one or more crises, but they all personally commit themselves to Christ and then seek to be fully converted in the process of sanctification;
Evangelicals believe the Bible: they not only maintain classic Christian beliefs about it, but their piety is structured around it: in individual, family, group, and congregation study, in the centrality of preaching in public worship, and in the Bible’s epistemological supremacy in all areas of life;
Evangelicals engage in mission: they view themselves as called by God to perform his will in every activity of life, and particularly in sharing the message of salvation with others and caring for their needs; and
Evangelicals recognize each other across denominational lines as kin: thus evangelicals cooperate in a wide range of organizations and activities to further the work of God beyond the reach of their respective congregation and denomination.


In America, evangelical Protestants are often contrasted against mainline Protestants. John Green describes mainline Protestants in the following manner:

*Mainline Protestants have a different perspective. They have a more modernist theology. So, for instance, they would read the Bible, not as the inerrant word of God, but as a historical document, which has God’s word in it and a lot of very important truths, but that needs to be interpreted in every age by individuals of that time and that place.

Mainline Protestants tend to also believe that Jesus is the way to salvation. But many mainline Protestants would believe that perhaps there are other ways to salvation as well. People in other religious traditions, even outside of Christianity, may have access to God’s grace and to salvation as well, on their own terms, and through their own means.

Mainline Protestants are much less concerned with personal conversion. Although they do talk about spiritual transformation, they’ll often discuss a spiritual journey from one’s youth to old age, leading on into eternity. So there is a sense of transformation, but there isn’t that emphasis on conversion – on that one moment or series of moments in which one’s life is dramatically changed.

Finally, mainline Protestants are somewhat less concerned with proselytizing than evangelicals. Certainly proselytizing is something they believe in. They believe in sharing their beliefs with others, but not for the purposes of conversion necessarily. The idea of spreading the word in the mainline tradition is much broader than simply preaching the good news. It also involves economic development. It involves personal assistance, charity, a whole number of other activities.*

It should be pointed out, however, that there is a vibrant minority of evangelicals within most mainline denominations. Another thing to keep in mind is that Evangelicalism does not mean “conservative Protestantism.” You can be a theologically conservative Protestant while not sharing evangelical views on conversion or mission.
It seems to me that in many ways, Darryl B’s comments are accurate. They are a more simple communion, who avoids definitions and doctrine to appear more Biblical. They avoid “ties” with history and Church doctrine. But they weren’t the ones who had to defend the True doctrine from false doctrine. Thats usually the way that Catholic doctrine is formed… In seperating what the Church believes from a false understanding. Otherwise, there are the principal doctrines which are more simple and general.
I think this is an oversimplification. Just ask the people at the Gospel Coalition if church doctrine and history is unimportant.
When Protestant communions are confronted with critique and different opposing doctrine (from within), they usually just depart from a label which they did identify under to a new label. That why my childhood church was “Non-Denominational” and somehow just became “Evangelical Free”. Maybe in 10, 20, or however many yrs, they will be something of a different label.
There are plenty of conservative Presbyterians and Anglicans and Lutherans who maintain those labels even though they have withdrawn from the liberal parent bodies. Why? Because they see themselves as being faithful to historic doctrines of their churches.
Maybe its fair to say that Evangelicals are the most “locally” oriented communions in the greater Church. They are extremely reliant on the immediate “in house” board of leaders. This is not to ignore their ambition to follow Scripture, yet in the end, its practice, teaching, and interpretation is greatly defined by their current pastor and staff. Which there can be a certain accountability in this system. i was told the process of choosing a new pastor is for the applicants to “defend their faith” before the board.
I think you are confusing Evangelicalism with non-denominational Christianity. The two are not the same. Evangelicals are locally oriented, but we are also nationally and globally oriented. We organize across denominational lines to create networks, such as the World Evangelical Alliance and the Lausanne Movement.
 
I would define “evangelical” as “Lutheran”. That’s how we originally termed ourselves, and documents from the time identify us as the “evangelical faith”. I don’t see a reason to change that.
Now you know how we feel about the title “Catholic”. 😃
 
Now you know how we feel about the title “Catholic”. 😃
Yes. We live in strange times. The Catholics are calling themselves “Evangelical”, the evangelicals are calling themselves “Catholic”. Cats and dogs living together. Mass hysteria!
 
Do you know if there are any Billy Graham/Christianity Today type evangelicals within Lutheran churches? I’d be interested to see what that looks like in a Lutheran setting.
Probably in the misery synod.
 
Yes. We live in strange times. The Catholics are calling themselves “Evangelical”, the evangelicals are calling themselves “Catholic”. Cats and dogs living together. Mass hysteria!
If the lion can lay down with the lamb, yahoo for dogs and cats getting together! (They certainly do at my house with a lot of joy and fun sans the mass hysteria.)

And why not practice all streams of the faith as believers in Christ rather than limit ourselves to only one? Why miss the full richness of the historic faith in its entirety? "A rose by any other name . . . " and all that. 😉

Wouldn’t it rock if believers could start to find common ground so that we could reunite as one family, one Church rather than being so splintered?

Before someone points a finger at Protestants for the splintering, it must be remembered that Protestant leaders tried desperately to reform the corruption of the Church from within before resigning themselves to a split. From my bleacher, both sides look like have mud on their jerseys from that.
 
Before someone points a finger at Protestants for the splintering, it must be remembered that Protestant leaders tried desperately to reform the corruption of the Church from within before resigning themselves to a split. From my bleacher, both sides look like have mud on their jerseys from that.
As I mentioned in another thread about this issue, your sentiment would have much more credit, if the “reformers” were united. But they were NOT, and still are not. During Martins own lifetime, there were 40 splits since the split from the Eucharist.
 
As I mentioned in another thread about this issue, your sentiment would have much more credit, if the “reformers” were united. But they were NOT, and still are not. During Martins own lifetime, there were 40 splits since the split from the Eucharist.
That seems to have been due to different opinions among the reformers about how far they had to remove themselves from the Church in order to separate from the perceived corruption. Martin did not want to leave the Church and stayed primarily Catholic in his writings during his lifetime. As persecution of reformers accelerated, the Protestant reformers moved further and further away from the Catholic Church.

Or did I misunderstand what you were saying? Did you mean to say that there was no corruption in the Church at the time in history?
 
If the lion can lay down with the lamb, yahoo for dogs and cats getting together! (They certainly do at my house with a lot of joy and fun sans the mass hysteria.)

And why not practice all streams of the faith as believers in Christ rather than limit ourselves to only one? Why miss the full richness of the historic faith in its entirety? "A rose by any other name . . . " and all that. 😉

Wouldn’t it rock if believers could start to find common ground so that we could reunite as one family, one Church rather than being so splintered?

Before someone points a finger at Protestants for the splintering, it must be remembered that Protestant leaders tried desperately to reform the corruption of the Church from within before resigning themselves to a split. From my bleacher, both sides look like have mud on their jerseys from that.
We already are a family IMO, the family of Christians everywhere, that is the Church. Doesn’t mean we have to be the same.. If by our ecumenical work we mean “working with you”, I am cool with that. If it means “becoming you”, then I have to bow out. I am not interested in compromising any of the doctrine or teaching that I hold so dear. And I am not interested in asking you to do the same for yours, or anyone’s. That would be doing us all a disservice. I lament the division, but division (for the time being) is better than he alternative.
 
That seems to have been due to different opinions among the reformers about how far they had to remove themselves from the Church in order to separate from the perceived corruption. Martin did not want to leave the Church and stayed primarily Catholic in his writings during his lifetime. As persecution of reformers accelerated, the Protestant reformers moved further and further away from the Catholic Church.

Or did I misunderstand what you were saying? Did you mean to say that there was no corruption in the Church at the time in history?
No, i didnt mean that. There was corruption in practice and behavior. Did the reformers ever abolish this? Or did they just keep dividing and splintering in a perpetual effort to rid themselves of something that was never from the Eucharist, but rather in human nature?

Sorry, Im getting you and others off topic. Its just a real mess how complicated trying to label and relabel communions and communions who split from comunions who alter from communions who revert from communions…and so on.
 
No, i didnt mean that. There was corruption in practice and behavior. Did the reformers ever abolish this? Or did they just keep dividing and splintering in a perpetual effort to rid themselves of something that was never from the Eucharist, but rather in human nature?

Sorry, Im getting you and others off topic. Its just a real mess how complicated trying to label and relabel communions and communions who split from comunions who alter from communions who revert from communions…and so on.
My recollection of Church history was that the Eucharist wasn’t the original issue. The corruption came from, as 1 John 2:16 would describe it, “the lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, and pride of life.” Is that your understanding as well? Basically, the three temptations we are all susceptible to when not walking by faith, in the power of the Spirit.

It is indeed a heartbreak that the Church has divided so much. Some can’t be helped. For example, my Church and other Episcopalian Churches in America who held to the authority of Scripture and divinity of Jesus were forced to leave the Church of England after trying for years to stay united. The leadership had just moved to far from the Word and Christ for us to stay under that headship.
 
My recollection of Church history was that the Eucharist wasn’t the original issue.
The Eucharist is secondary to all who divide.
The corruption came from, as 1 John 2:16 would describe it, “the lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, and pride of life.” Is that your understanding as well?
Wouldn’t it all…
It is indeed a heartbreak that the Church has divided so much. Some can’t be helped. For example, my Church and other Episcopalian Churches in America who held to the authority of Scripture and divinity of Jesus were forced to leave the Church of England after trying for years to stay united. The leadership had just moved to far from the Word and Christ for us to stay under that headship.
If anyone would be unrighteously forced to leave the Church, they would be given a heavy Cross of Persecution. And if that person was righteous, they would never cease to bring honor back to the Eucharist.

Division cannot bring honor to the Eucharist. Righteousness will always prevail over His Body and Blood. The Eucharist is either a dead carcas for vultures, or Hidden Manna for Saints. There is no in between. Jesus was either who He said He is, or a madman false prophet and devil.

The Evangelical churches commune by a symbol of the Eucharist. For those who are genuine, this is a Holy Communion of desire, through no fault of their own. I know many of these good Evangelicals. It is not theor faith alone which saves them, but their deeds done in the faith that God has provided a sacrifice of Himself which washes them and prepares them a home with Him in heaven.
 
My friend, my biggest question concerning that which you have raised is that traditionally evangelicalism is non intellectual, it is bound by feeling, by simple thesis, and by simple response. Therefore how can it be approached in the method you’re trying to approach it? I don’t understand. There is no complexity in evangelical, yet you try to define complexity. The most important theology of the evangelical is that there is no theologian.
Jonathan Edwards, John Wesley, George Whitefield, Peter Boehler, Charles Spurgeon, FF Bruce, Francis Schaeffer, Karl Barth. Are some that come to mind.

I don’t think Itwin is presenting complexity but actually presenting what an Evangelical Christian is and is not.

What good is being intellectual if most people don’t get it either…
 
And why not practice all streams of the faith as believers in Christ rather than limit ourselves to only one? Why miss the full richness of the historic faith in its entirety? "A rose by any other name . . . " and all that. 😉
I am certain that you would exclude some believers in Christ from preaching some of their erroneous beliefs.

Why would you then permit yourself to do what you object in Catholics? We simply draw our line in a bit closer to Christ than farther.
 
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