Defining messiah

[vgskipp]

I used to be Muslim as some on here might know. But a few months ago I came across some things. One of those things caused me to leave Islam, others led me towards Catholicism.

For the purpose of this thread we will be focusing on what I found that caused me to leave Islam. I was sincere in my faith to Islam, memorized several surahs, owned 2 Qur’ans, went to jum’ma every friday and even tried to go at least twice a wk to the masjid outside of jum’ma. I say this so that others can understand where I came from. I am a man of yearning, I yearn for information. I am a logic man, very.

It began to occur to me that there had to be some qualifications for messiah. Things that the ancient Jews looked for and was written in scripture. (note: for those that are unaware Islam while denying that Jesus was and is the Son of God and part of the holy trinity acknowledges him as a prophet and messiah)

Messiah ben Joseph (Heb.: משיח בן יוסף), also known as Messiah bar/ben Ephraim (Aram./Heb.: משיח בר/בן אפרים), is a Mashiach from the tribe of Ephraim who dies as a sacrifice of atonement and rises again.[1] Jewish tradition alludes to two redeemers, both called Mashiach and are involved in ushering in the Messianic age. They are called Mashiach ben David and Mashiach ben Joseph.[2]

source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messiah_ben_Joseph

I found this time and again. This was and is the belief of Jewish people. This messiah is to be preceded by a second messiah who will rule over Israel.

also the very term messiah:

Messiah (Hebrew: מָשִׁיחַ‎; mashiah, moshiah, mashiach, or moshiach, “anointed [one]”) is a term used in the Hebrew Bible to describe priests and kings, who were traditionally anointed with holy anointing oil as described in Exodus 30:22-25.

source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mashiach

For those familiar with the history of Jesus they know that he neither became king or priest while living … unless you are Christian and realize that he rose again from the grave and as such became the final high priest and the ultimate king as originally God was meant to be the only ruler over Israel not any man.

This might seem insignificant to those more knowledgeable than me with Biblical matters outside of the Bible but for people not familiar with stuff like this it is a major discovery. Allow me to explain.

As I said before in Islam they acknowledge Jesus as a prophet and messiah, in the Qur’an. If Jesus did not rise from the dead and was not son of God and went to heaven to serve as the great high priest and did not suffer for the atonement of sin he was never messiah so the Qur’an becomes wrong by its own words. Initially I tried going over messianic requirements with others in Islam both at the local masjid and online but the general answer was that I was digging too deep and that shaiytan had his roots dug into me. I have even posted it on my facebook page and on an islamic forum. No replies from Muslims on either one.

 

[Pilosopo]

Thanks for your post! Interesting. Hope I got it. So, you’re saying that the Qur’an states that Jesus is the Messiah, without providing a satisfactory explanation as to why he is called Messiah. And, on your end, you could only make sense of it by adding the belief that he rose from the dead.
If I were to parcel this out, I need to ask:
(1) Do Muslims believe that Jesus rose from the dead?
(2) Do Muslims believe that Jesus is the Son of God?
(3) Do Muslims believe that Jesus is God?

Those seem to be pretty basic to Christian identity.

Again, I hope I got what you were saying, and that my questions make sense.
Correct, clarify, wherever you see fit. Thanks. Very interesting.
Asalamalaikum (hope I didn’t murder this greeting, but hope you got my warm intent)

 

[Pythons]

Vgskipp, praise God for your quest for learning and thank you for this excellent post / point that you made…
…I know it must be hard for you, personal sacrifices you’ve made in your journey.
…Like all of us the journey is a life long one - praise be to God!

 

[meltzerboy]

I used to be Muslim as some on here might know. But a few months ago I came across some things. One of those things caused me to leave Islam, others led me towards Catholicism.

For the purpose of this thread we will be focusing on what I found that caused me to leave Islam. I was sincere in my faith to Islam, memorized several surahs, owned 2 Qur’ans, went to jum’ma every friday and even tried to go at least twice a wk to the masjid outside of jum’ma. I say this so that others can understand where I came from. I am a man of yearning, I yearn for information. I am a logic man, very.

It began to occur to me that there had to be some qualifications for messiah. Things that the ancient Jews looked for and was written in scripture. (note: for those that are unaware Islam while denying that Jesus was and is the Son of God and part of the holy trinity acknowledges him as a prophet and messiah)

source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messiah_ben_Joseph

I found this time and again. This was and is the belief of Jewish people. This messiah is to be preceded by a second messiah who will rule over Israel.

also the very term messiah:

source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mashiach

For those familiar with the history of Jesus they know that he neither became king or priest while living … unless you are Christian and realize that he rose again from the grave and as such became the final high priest and the ultimate king as originally God was meant to be the only ruler over Israel not any man.

This might seem insignificant to those more knowledgeable than me with Biblical matters outside of the Bible but for people not familiar with stuff like this it is a major discovery. Allow me to explain.

As I said before in Islam they acknowledge Jesus as a prophet and messiah, in the Qur’an. If Jesus did not rise from the dead and was not son of God and went to heaven to serve as the great high priest and did not suffer for the atonement of sin he was never messiah so the Qur’an becomes wrong by its own words. Initially I tried going over messianic requirements with others in Islam both at the local masjid and online but the general answer was that I was digging too deep and that shaiytan had his roots dug into me. I have even posted it on my facebook page and on an islamic forum. No replies from Muslims on either one.

The majority viewpoint in Judaism (and no doubt in Christianity as well) is that there is only one Messiah, not two. The Second Coming of Jesus does not speak of a second Messiah but rather a return of the first Messiah.

However, there is indeed a theory in Judaism involving two Messiahs, and present-day Nazarene Jews believe in this idea although they do not accept the divinity of either Messiah. For a fascinating and controversial commentary on this theory as it relates to the Dead Sea Scrolls of the Essenes at Qumran, I would refer you to the Bulletin for Biblical Research and, in particular, the article written by L.D. Hurst of the University of California, Davis entitled “Did Qumran Expect Two Messiahs?” Hurst takes issue with the commonly held belief that the Dead Sea Scrolls confirm the belief in two Messiahs. He presents a few alternative explanations and raises several intriguing questions in the process. The article can be found online.

 

[aspirant]

So, you’re saying that the Qur’an states that Jesus is the Messiah, without providing a satisfactory explanation as to why he is called Messiah.

I’m not a Muslim but, yes, the Qur’an calls Jesus the Messiah (Masih): “Behold! the angels said: 'O Mary! God gives you glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honor in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to God,” (Qur’an 3:45).

This appears to mean something very different among Muslims than it means to us Christians, however.

(1) Do Muslims believe that Jesus rose from the dead?

“And they said we have killed the Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, the Messenger of God. They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, though it was made to appear like that to them; those that disagreed about him are full of doubt, with no knowledge to follow, only supposition: they certainly did not kill him. On the contrary, God raised him unto himself. God is almighty and wise,” (Qur’an 4:157-158).

Most Mulsims, in my experience, interpret this to mean that Jesus was not crucified and did not die, but that God “took” Jesus (sort of like Enoch or Elijah).

There are exceptions. The Ahmadi, for example, believe that Jesus was crucified, swooned, revived in the tomb, moved to India, and eventually died and was buried in Kashmir.

(2) Do Muslims believe that Jesus is the Son of God?

No, they don’t: “God has not taken any son, nor has there ever been with Him any deity,” (Qur’an 23:91).

I don’t know how accurate this translation is but, assuming it is accurate, we Christians don’t believe this either. We believe the Son is eternal, not “taken,” and consubstantial with the Father, not a second deity. Still, Muslims generally interpret this to deny Christian theology.

(3) Do Muslims believe that Jesus is God?

No, they don’t: “In blasphemy indeed are those that say that God is the Messiah, the son of Mary. Say: ‘Who has the least power against God, if His will were to destroy the Messiah, the son of Mary, his mother, and everyone that is on the earth? For to God belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He creates what He pleases. For God has power over all things,’” (Qur’an 5:17).

When I read the Qur’an, however, it seems very obvious to me that Muhammad did not have a very good grasp on what Christians actually believe.

 

[MartinJordan]

“And they said we have killed the Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, the Messenger of God. They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, though it was made to appear like that to them; those that disagreed about him are full of doubt, with no knowledge to follow, only supposition: they certainly did not kill him. On the contrary, God raised him unto himself. God is almighty and wise,” (Qur’an 4:157-158).

This is what really “gets” me when I see the Quran stating this, wherein there is no proof whatsoever. Just the “because it says so it must be true” Oh dear.

There are exceptions. The Ahmadi, for example, believe that Jesus was crucified, swooned, revived in the tomb, moved to India, and eventually died and was buried in Kashmir.

Sheesh. I wasn’t aware of this. Almost like a desperate attempt to confuse Christians…just saying

I don’t know how accurate this translation is but, assuming it is accurate, we Christians don’t believe this either. We believe the Son is eternal, not “taken,” and consubstantial with the Father, not a second deity. Still, Muslims generally interpret this to deny Christian theology.

I think they call it “partner”. God cannot have partners…something like that.

When I read the Qur’an, however, it seems very obvious to me that Muhammad did not have a very good grasp on what Christians actually believe.

You’re not alone

MJ

 

[quiet52]

I used to be Muslim as some on here might know. But a few months ago I came across some things. One of those things caused me to leave Islam, others led me towards Catholicism.

For the purpose of this thread we will be focusing on what I found that caused me to leave Islam. I was sincere in my faith to Islam, memorized several surahs, owned 2 Qur’ans, went to jum’ma every friday and even tried to go at least twice a wk to the masjid outside of jum’ma. I say this so that others can understand where I came from. I am a man of yearning, I yearn for information. I am a logic man, very.

It began to occur to me that there had to be some qualifications for messiah. Things that the ancient Jews looked for and was written in scripture. (note: for those that are unaware Islam while denying that Jesus was and is the Son of God and part of the holy trinity acknowledges him as a prophet and messiah)

source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messiah_ben_Joseph

I found this time and again. This was and is the belief of Jewish people. This messiah is to be preceded by a second messiah who will rule over Israel.

also the very term messiah:

source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mashiach

For those familiar with the history of Jesus they know that he neither became king or priest while living … unless you are Christian and realize that he rose again from the grave and as such became the final high priest and the ultimate king as originally God was meant to be the only ruler over Israel not any man.

This might seem insignificant to those more knowledgeable than me with Biblical matters outside of the Bible but for people not familiar with stuff like this it is a major discovery. Allow me to explain.

As I said before in Islam they acknowledge Jesus as a prophet and messiah, in the Qur’an. If Jesus did not rise from the dead and was not son of God and went to heaven to serve as the great high priest and did not suffer for the atonement of sin he was never messiah so the Qur’an becomes wrong by its own words. Initially I tried going over messianic requirements with others in Islam both at the local masjid and online but the general answer was that I was digging too deep and that shaiytan had his roots dug into me. I have even posted it on my facebook page and on an islamic forum. No replies from Muslims on either one.

Wow.
Thank you for sharing this with us! It is a profound and exciting discovery.
May you rejoice that God has given you a keen mind which yearns for truth and a heart which yearns for God.

Everyone has his/her preferance in how to approach the faith and nourish and deepen their personal faith. I might be wrong, but it seems to me you enjoy deep study. If that is true, you might enjoy reading more about Christ being our Messiah (“Christos” in Greek), from the Catholic Encyclopedia, written in 1911: newadvent.org/cathen/10212c.htm

In one of the Gospels, the Gospel of John, we read about one of the seven titles Jesus has given Himself: “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through me” (John 14:6 – usccb.org/bible/john/14/).

May you find continued excitement as you proceed in your journey of faith to Heaven, as you deepen your understanding of who this God of Love is and what He wants from us, and as you become ever closer to Him with a hope of eternal life in total union with Him.

Here is a link to an article entitled “Following Jesus Today: The Church” catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=3705
Jesus is saying here, “Through me you learn infallibly what the truth about God is; I show you how you must live your life; and my action is what makes it possible for you to have that ‘new humanity,’ that supernatural life for which you were created.”
This is not “casual reading” and I encourage you to take your time thinking about it. You are used to praying – may you always remember to remain prayerful as you study about our Lord Jesus Christ!

 

[504Katrin]

I used to be Muslim as some on here might know. But a few months ago I came across some things. One of those things caused me to leave Islam, others led me towards Catholicism.

For the purpose of this thread we will be focusing on what I found that caused me to leave Islam. I was sincere in my faith to Islam, memorized several surahs, owned 2 Qur’ans, went to jum’ma every friday and even tried to go at least twice a wk to the masjid outside of jum’ma. I say this so that others can understand where I came from. I am a man of yearning, I yearn for information. I am a logic man, very.

It began to occur to me that there had to be some qualifications for messiah. Things that the ancient Jews looked for and was written in scripture. (note: for those that are unaware Islam while denying that Jesus was and is the Son of God and part of the holy trinity acknowledges him as a prophet and messiah)

source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messiah_ben_Joseph

I found this time and again. This was and is the belief of Jewish people. This messiah is to be preceded by a second messiah who will rule over Israel.

also the very term messiah:

source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mashiach

For those familiar with the history of Jesus they know that he neither became king or priest while living … unless you are Christian and realize that he rose again from the grave and as such became the final high priest and the ultimate king as originally God was meant to be the only ruler over Israel not any man.

This might seem insignificant to those more knowledgeable than me with Biblical matters outside of the Bible but for people not familiar with stuff like this it is a major discovery. Allow me to explain.

As I said before in Islam they acknowledge Jesus as a prophet and messiah, in the Qur’an. ** If Jesus did not rise from the dead and was not son of God and went to heaven to serve as the great high priest and did not suffer for the atonement of sin he was never messiah so the Qur’an becomes wrong by its own words. ** Initially I tried going over messianic requirements with others in Islam both at the local masjid and online but the general answer was that I was digging too deep and that shaiytan had his roots dug into me. I have even posted it on my facebook page and on an islamic forum. No replies from Muslims on either one.

Totally understand where you’re coming from.

 

[adf417]

As I said before in Islam they acknowledge Jesus as a prophet and messiah, in the Qur’an. If Jesus did not rise from the dead and was not son of God and went to heaven to serve as the great high priest and did not suffer for the atonement of sin he was never messiah so the Qur’an becomes wrong by its own words. Initially I tried going over messianic requirements with others in Islam both at the local masjid and online but the general answer was that I was digging too deep and that shaiytan had his roots dug into me. I have even posted it on my facebook page and on an islamic forum. No replies from Muslims on either one.

I sure wish a Jehovah’s Witness would weigh in on this. I have always felt their understanding of “messiah” fits somewhere close to this paradigm.

If anyone can shed light on their perspective within this topic, I would appreciate it.

Peace!!!

 

[504Katrin]

I’m wondering how Moshiach will come? The gate he’s supposed to enter through is totally sealed, and on top of all there’s a cemetry located in front of it.
I’m all in for a kind of laser shot, so that noone will have to get too close to the graveyard. From the distance you can shot even tiny rockets, just as big enough to cause an explosion so small that only the inner bricks of the gate would burst. There’re experts that can precisely calculate the pressure and energy of an explosion.
The graveyard is another problem, but someone should build a bridge over it.

 

[Pilosopo]

Thanks aspirant … almost said Messiah… and thanks for OP and the other (name removed by moderator)ut.

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

When I read the Qur’an, however, it seems very obvious to me that Muhammad did not have a very good grasp on what Christians actually believe.

Excellent post aspirant:thumbsup:

There are many scholars including Father Paqua, who teach and believe that the prophet Muhammad first wife and her brother were Arian Christians before following Muhammad. The brother in law was an Arian priest. These Arian Christians were already excommunicated by the Catholic Church and the Roman Emperor exiled them.

Yet the Arians continued to exist all the way to the Islamic conquest of Spain.

This may explain why Islam holds to an Arian heretical view of Jesus. The Muslims know this history but refuse to acknowledge it in scholary circles.

The Islam faith and the Koran never reveal the true Christian faith held by the Catholic Church. But teach about Christianity that remains heretical even to the Catholic Christian.

Islam rejects a Christianity that is heretical and never the true Christian faith held by the Christian faithful, for a Catholic would agree with Islam that the Christianity that Muhammad teaches against, we also reject that heretical Arian Christianity.

Today Islam and the Catholic Church are not comparing apples to apples when it comes to Christian subjects revealed from the Koran.

Peace be with you

 

[MartinJordan]

Excellent post aspirant:thumbsup:

There are many scholars including Father Paqua, who teach and believe that the prophet Muhammad first wife and her brother were Arian Christians before following Muhammad. The brother in law was an Arian priest. These Arian Christians were already excommunicated by the Catholic Church and the Roman Emperor exiled them.

Yet the Arians continued to exist all the way to the Islamic conquest of Spain.

This may explain why Islam holds to an Arian heretical view of Jesus. The Muslims know this history but refuse to acknowledge it in scholary circles.

The Islam faith and the Koran never reveal the true Christian faith held by the Catholic Church. But teach about Christianity that remains heretical even to the Catholic Christian.

Islam rejects a Christianity that is heretical and never the true Christian faith held by the Christian faithful, for a Catholic would agree with Islam that the Christianity that Muhammad teaches against, we also reject that heretical Arian Christianity.

Today Islam and the Catholic Church are not comparing apples to apples when it comes to Christian subjects revealed from the Koran.

Peace be with you

I’d agree Muhammad didn’t know what he was talking about or believing about Jesus.

If he was God’s prophet why wouldn’t God tell him that the Injil or Bible was put together in 397 A.D.? Furthermore If Muslim believe Scripture had gotten corrupted, God should have told Muhammad that those Councils infiltrated the “real teachings of Jesus”.

Am I wrong to believe that the Quran should have clarified this point (hypothetically speaking ofcourse)?

MJ

 

[Augustine3]

For those familiar with the history of Jesus they know that he neither became king or priest while living … unless you are Christian and realize that he rose again from the grave and as such became the final high priest and the ultimate king as originally God was meant to be the only ruler over Israel not any man.

Actually Jesus was already a priest/king before his ascension.

King – The gospel of Matthew chapter 1 shows us Jesus is the son of David by blood, hence he is the rightful king, not Herod. Herod was an Edomite not a Jew.

Priest – David gave us some hints in restoring what was once the simultaneous priest/king tradition. David took off his majestic robe and put on his priestly garment upon welcoming the Ark of the Covenant with his famous dance in 2 Samuel 6:14. Upon the coronation of his son Solomon, David also gave a hint of restoring the priest/king tradition in Psalm 110:4 “You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek”. Melchizedek was the first priest/king. Finally common sense tells us Jesus had to be a priest before ascending into heaven ; how else could he offer his sacrifice on the cross if he wasn’t a priest?

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

I’d agree Muhammad didn’t know what he was talking about or believing about Jesus.

If he was God’s prophet why wouldn’t God tell him that the Injil or Bible was put together in 397 A.D.? Furthermore If Muslim believe Scripture had gotten corrupted, God should have told Muhammad that those Councils infiltrated the “real teachings of Jesus”.

Am I wrong to believe that the Quran should have clarified this point (hypothetically speaking ofcourse)?

MJ

You do know that to Koran (Quran) in Arabic litterally means to recite. Muhammad is believed by Muslims to Koran the words of Gabriel. The (Quran) Koran was written long after Muhammad was dead. By different authors who heard it from so and so who heard it from so and so etc… Islam calls this literature by 2nd, 3rd and 4th person revealed in the writings from the Koran; HADITH followed by the Sirat or Sirah recorded literature.

Who wrote or revealed the Koran? is subject to interpretation from the reader.

Islam comes along 700 years too late after the resurrection and after the Catholic church already canonized the bible, to try and discredit the new testament that is older than Muhammad and Islam. I have heard some of their arguments which never makes the grade to disprove the canonized bible that becomes opinionated never a fact.

No one is ever wrong on this forum

 

[Augustine3]

Actually Jesus was already a priest/king before his ascension.

King – The gospel of Matthew chapter 1 shows us Jesus is the son of David by blood, hence he is the rightful king, not Herod. Herod was an Edomite not a Jew.

Priest – David gave us some hints in restoring what was once the simultaneous priest/king tradition. David took off his majestic robe and put on his priestly garment upon welcoming the Ark of the Covenant with his famous dance in 2 Samuel 6:14. Upon the coronation of his son Solomon, David also gave a hint of restoring the priest/king tradition in Psalm 110:4 “You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek”. Melchizedek was the first priest/king. Finally common sense tells us Jesus had to be a priest before ascending into heaven ; how else could he offer his sacrifice on the cross if he wasn’t a priest?

Also have a read of what the Catechism of the Catholic Church says about Jesus’ priestly prayer (in particular paragraph 2747).

scborromeo.org/ccc/p4s1c3a3.htm

 

[MartinJordan]

You do know that to Koran (Quran) in Arabic litterally means to recite. Muhammad is believed by Muslims to Koran the words of Gabriel. The (Quran) Koran was written long after Muhammad was dead. By different authors who heard it from so and so who heard it from so and so etc… Islam calls this literature by 2nd, 3rd and 4th person revealed in the writings from the Koran; HADITH followed by the Sirat or Sirah recorded literature.

Who wrote or revealed the Koran? is subject to interpretation from the reader.

Islam comes along 700 years too late after the resurrection and after the Catholic church already canonized the bible, to try and discredit the new testament that is older than Muhammad and Islam. I have heard some of their arguments which never makes the grade to disprove the canonized bible that becomes opinionated never a fact.

No one is ever wrong on this forum

I view the Quran trying to get it’s adherents to “replace” the Bible with has it’s own version of Revelation.

Ive visited a facebook page dedicated especially by a “ghost” of Deedat. for the “Day of Revelation”. Have you seen it?

The trouble with the Quran is that there is nothing new to learn in it, but only to “unlearn” what Christianity already revealed

Am I right?

MJ

 

[vgskipp]

Also have a read of what the Catechism of the Catholic Church says about Jesus’ priestly prayer (in particular paragraph 2747).

scborromeo.org/ccc/p4s1c3a3.htm

I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying here Augustine. You are picking a fight when there is none to be had.

According to Islam Jesus was never crucified, was not the son of God in the divine sense of the term and as such the idea that he was the messiah, if keeping with Islamic belief, contradicts the actual understanding of the term.

also one has to understand that in the kingly sense, messiah ben david, Jesus would have had to bring peace to the world and reigned over Israel but as messiah ben joseph he was a sacrificial savior for atonement of sin. This is the point I am making simply. If it is still not clear then perhaps someone else who is better in breaking things down can do it in a manner that is better suited to your way of understanding things.

I am not going against Catholicism, I still plan on attending catechism classes in September. I am saying that with understanding of the term messiah, what the qualifications were for messiah and what all has to take place for someone to be considered messiah ben joseph or messiah ben david the Islamic understanding of Jesus would not make him a messiah in any sense of the term.

 

[vgskipp]

You do know that to Koran (Quran) in Arabic litterally means to recite. Muhammad is believed by Muslims to Koran the words of Gabriel. The (Quran) Koran was written long after Muhammad was dead. By different authors who heard it from so and so who heard it from so and so etc… Islam calls this literature by 2nd, 3rd and 4th person revealed in the writings from the Koran; HADITH followed by the Sirat or Sirah recorded literature.

Who wrote or revealed the Koran? is subject to interpretation from the reader.

Islam comes along 700 years too late after the resurrection and after the Catholic church already canonized the bible, to try and discredit the new testament that is older than Muhammad and Islam. I have heard some of their arguments which never makes the grade to disprove the canonized bible that becomes opinionated never a fact.

No one is ever wrong on this forum

First I am replying to the above quote and then I will address some more things. I have actually found myself it is a bit hard to truly track who wrote the Qur’an and when, there are very conflicting reports and the location of the original is not happening but the date of the oldest eluded my research as well.

Despite many problems with the Bible over the years, the problems are known and documented, the dates are documented as best as humanly possible including proper accreditation to the authors. Now in bearing all this in mind it is hard to say what the Qur’an originally said or did not say.

Now as to the question as to Islamic believes there is much simpler answers.

Surah Al-Inklas says,
Bismillaahir Rahmaanir Raheem
1.Qul huwal laahu ahad
2.Allah hus-samad
3.Lam yalid wa lam yoolad
4.Wa lam yakul-lahu kufuwan ahad

This means:
In the name of Allah most gracious, most merciful
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none comparable unto Him.

note: translations may vary but Yusuf Ali is more acceptable among the largest numbers over Pickthall but the general understanding is the same

They do not believe that Jesus is the son of God as in a being worthy of worship, or a deity but a man.

Most of them believe that Jesus was not crucified because a son cannot be made to pay for the sins of the father, in other words one cannot be held accountable for the crimes of another. They believe essentially that if God wants to forgive he can, plain.

Obviously my finding on the basic concepts of messiah and the concept of atonement dating back to the Judaic believes of old contradict this.