Definition of Contemplation: What it is not and what it is

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No it adds an interesting aspect.

As I noted it was a “drive by post” of an interesting section…

(And I again wished to note that there are various “schools” and approaches in the Church and many uses of the term contemplation within the Church.)
I’m not picking at ya, Bookcat … 😉
We’ve been discussing the works of Sts. Teresa and John and their explanations, and when you added into the mix commentary from the CDW and suggested other ‘schools’ … well, it just made my head spin for a minute. I can imagine how difficult it may have appeared to anyone else.

I agree about the many schools of spirituality, but I do not think any of them were Doctors of Mystical Theology, however worthy they were. I revere St. Ignatius very highly for some of his writings - but none come close, IMO, to being able to explain contemplation as well as the Carmelites - after all, they are a contemplative order under our Lady of Mt. Carmel, the first contemplative who pondered all of Jesus’ words in her heart.

Them’s not fightin’ words, it just happens that these saints had a particular calling form God in this direction. Each ‘school’ has its own charism and ministry to the Body of Christ, but I still haven’t found any to equal OCD’s in the teachings of contemplation.
 
10 Dark Contemplation

Now, if the soul again receives particular illuminations, revelations, and consolations—which are often received during the usually very long time of the spiritual night— the soul will be prepared not to linger over them. She will leave it to God to achieve in her what he intends with these supernatural communications, but will herself remain in the darkness of faith. She has not only learned, but also experienced, that all of this is not God nor does it give God to her, but that she has everything she needs in faith: Christ himself, who is eternal wisdom, and in him, the incomprehensible God.

Stein, Edith (2011-03-17). The Science of the Cross (The Collected Works of Edith Stein Vol. 6) (Kindle Location 2238). ICS Publications. Kindle Edition.

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I’m not picking at ya, Bookcat … 😉
We’ve been discussing the works of Sts. Teresa and John and their explanations, and when you added into the mix commentary from the CDW and suggested other ‘schools’ … well, it just made my head spin for a minute. I can imagine how difficult it may have appeared to anyone else.

I agree about the many schools of spirituality, but I do not think any of them were Doctors of Mystical Theology, however worthy they were. I revere St. Ignatius very highly for some of his writings - but none come close, IMO, to being able to explain contemplation as well as the Carmelites - after all, they are a contemplative order under our Lady of Mt. Carmel, the first contemplative who pondered all of Jesus’ words in her heart.

Them’s not fightin’ words, it just happens that these saints had a particular calling form God in this direction. Each ‘school’ has its own charism and ministry to the Body of Christ, but I still haven’t found any to equal OCD’s in the teachings of contemplation.
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A few notes (fighting words hee hee…not really…)

My noting the other schools etc was simply referring back to the beginning of the thread (and to the original question of the thread)…

Nor am I referring say to St. Ignatius per se.

Our Lady looks after more than one Order …and there are more than one order of Contemplatives in the Church …(who also look to Our Lady).

*Contemplation * was going on long before the reflex age …😃

As to the quotes from the CDF document --they in particular have bearing on your discussion of the Nights discussed by your Father …and so I thought they would be of interest 🙂
 
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A few notes (fighting words hee hee…not really…)

My noting the other schools etc was simply referring back to the beginning of the thread (and to the original question of the thread)…

As to the quotes from the CDF document –they in particular have bearing on your discussion of the Nights discussed by your Father …and so I thought they would be of interest 🙂
I did not recall that any of us were discussing the Nights, not even the OP, except for a brief mention by DBT in his last post. Wow, that is another whole thread in itself, Bookcat! REALLY muddy water… 😛
 
I did not recall that any of us were discussing the Nights, not even the OP, except for a brief mention by DBT in his last post. Wow, that is another whole thread in itself, Bookcat! REALLY muddy water… 😛
My brief glance had seen it …and as I said it was a “drive by post” …

(and it was a quote I found very interesting in the past and so noted it)

Have a good night!

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It seems that the saints, when talking about contemplation, are speaking of infused.

How did acquired contemplation come on the scene? Is this every mentioned by the saints?
 
fred conty:
It seems that the saints, when talking about contemplation, are speaking of infused.

How did acquired contemplation come on the scene? Is this every mentioned by the saints?
Yes, but that is not the definition/word they may have used in their writings. Nevertheless, it is an excellent practice that one may live continually in God’s presence, whether or not they receive the gift of God’s infused contemplation. I love the verse where God spoke to Abraham, “Walk in My presence and be perfect.” What a wonderful blessing to be habitually thinking of Him and being quietly recollected as one goes about their daily duties. It is to be Mary while serving like Martha. 😉
 
It seems that the saints, when talking about contemplation, are speaking of infused.

How did acquired contemplation come on the scene? Is this every mentioned by the saints?
That’s a very good question Fred! But I guess it depends on which Saints and what context they are using. Saints Teresa and John are perhaps most noted for speaking from the infused point of view. Prior to them, contemplation was perhaps spoken of more generally … not striving so much to make distinctions. Others can speak to that better than I.

Still, even Saints Teresa and John did speak of acquired contemplation at great length … they just didn’t use that word relying on other expressions like “recollection” and “mental prayer” to describe their intent. Contemplation … yet “different” from that which is infused.

Several works have been mentioned on this thread that speak of a contemplation we can “do.” Specifically Brother Lawrence’s Practice of the Presence of God, The Cloud of Unknowing (which foreshadows St. John’s teaching in The Ascent) as well as Osuna’s Third Spiritual Alphabet which is perhaps the work that influenced St. Teresa the most.

And, of course, the catechism summarizes all this very nicely too. That which is generally thought of as acquired is what is defined as “contemplation” as that is open and accessible to all. The infused can be thought of as special graces … that God may or may not give.

Hope this helps!
Dave 🙂
 
Thanks for your answers,

So from what you, DBT and Sirach, have said, acquired contemplation is simple recollection where a person just realizes and senses in some way the real presence of Jesus in their soul alive and within them. And the more they practice this (acquired), the more they are able to be in the presence of God all day long.

Is that about it? Or is there something missing or something more to it?
 
Thanks for your answers,

So from what you, DBT and Sirach, have said, acquired contemplation is simple recollection where a person just realizes and senses in some way the real presence of Jesus in their soul alive and within them. And the more they practice this (acquired), the more they are able to be in the presence of God all day long.

Is that about it? Or is there something missing or something more to it?
From what I can grasp after reading 3 books on the subject, acquired contemplation is the means to an end of infused contemplation, but acquired contemplation is beneficial in its own right so that by no means should one impatiently abandon practices of acquired contemplation just because infused contemplation has not yet been bestowed on them. Acquired contemplation teaches the mind to be still, and therefore less consumed with thoughts and “self”, and thus more open to the Lord. “Be still and know that I am Lord.”
 
Thanks for your answers,

So from what you, DBT and Sirach, have said, acquired contemplation is simple recollection where a person just realizes and senses in some way the real presence of Jesus in their soul alive and within them. And the more they practice this (acquired), the more they are able to be in the presence of God all day long.

Is that about it? Or is there something missing or something more to it?
Please keep in mind contemplation is prayer and prayer is a relationship with God.

When we consider a relationship precious, we will do everything to make it fruitful. That is the way with acquired contemplation.

Contemplation is our love for God. The more burning our love is, the more fruitful the result will be. Our hearts are where our treasures are. In a true love relationship, it won’t be “that’s about it”, it will be “how can I love more and be more pleasing to the Beloved”?
 
Thank you again Dave for this post. Funny thing is I beleive I am at an (name removed by moderator)ass in understanding my spiritual life because of these seemingly similarities.

If anyone can offer some insight in how to tell the two apart or explain the differences it would be greatly appreciated if you could help me understand them.
I think the dividing line between acquired or infused contemplation is not so clear, cut and dry. A person can be receiving infused contemplation without even knowing it. St John of the Cross says that infused contemplation begins with the dark night of the senses. He says most spiritual persons who practice prayer enter this night and that it is customary and not uncommon. But the infused contemplation here is dry and most often indiscernable. I think it is possible that what we call acquired contemplation can often times actually be the beginnings of infused contemplation.

According to St Teresa of Avila, I believe it is only in the 5th mansion, after the prayer of quiet and the prayer of recollection, where she describes the prayer of union, that this prayer leaves in the soul a certainty that God was in it and the soul was in God. She also says that receiving mystical graces of contemplation are one grace and it is another grace to be able to explain or discern them.

I don’t think we should worry to much about much stage of the spiritual life we may be in. From what I’ve read, even advanced spiritual persons don’t always stay in an advanced stage but there is a fluctuation between stages. However, I’m not saying we shouldn’t study or read St Teresa or St John of the Cross, on the contrary, I think their writings are fascinating.

One other point that may be of interest and that other posters mentioned is the spiritualities of other saints besides St Teresa and St John. I believe theologians say the mystical life comes from the gifts of the Holy Spirit and that some of the gifts pertain more to contemplation and some of the gifts pertain more to the active life. In some saints, the gifts of the Holy Spirit that pertain more to contemplation is more manifest such as in St Teresa and St John of the Cross while in other saints the gifts that pertain more to the active life are more manifest such as in St Vincent de Paul.
 
fred conty:
So from what you, DBT and Sirach, have said, acquired contemplation is simple recollection where a person just realizes and senses in some way the real presence of Jesus in their soul alive and within them. And the more they practice this (acquired), the more they are able to be in the presence of God all day long.

Is that about it? Or is there something missing or something more to it?
The person may not always sense God’s presence in a manifest way, Fred, but it will develop the excellent habit of striving to be with Him in moments of recollected prayer throughout its day, and even intermittently if it should wake from sleep. Here are some of St. Teresa’s encouraging words regarding this, from her Life, Chapter XII.
  1. The soul may also place itself in the presence of Christ, and accustom itself to many acts of love directed to His sacred Humanity, and remain in His presence continually, and speak to Him, pray to Him in its necessities, and complain to Him of its troubles; be merry with Him in its joys, and yet not forget Him because of its joys. All this it may do without set prayers, but rather with words befitting its desires and its needs.
  2. This is an excellent way whereby to advance, and that very quickly. He that will strive to have this precious companionship, and will make much of it, and will sincerely love our Lord, to whom we owe so much, is one, in my opinion, who has made some progress. There is therefore no reason why we should trouble ourselves because we have no sensible devotion, as I said before. But let us rather give thanks to our Lord, who allows us to have a desire to please Him, though our works be poor. **This practice of the presence of Christ is profitable in all states of prayer, and is a most safe way of advancing in the first state, and of attaining quickly to the second; and as for the last states, it secures us against those risks which the devil may occasion. **
You see, then, that she doesn’t call it “acquired recollection” specifically, but to put a label on this practice, many Carmelites have coined this term to express the reality of what the soul may do to help itself. She advises all to try and develop this wonderful manner of walking with the Lord in simple attentiveness to Him, with or without words.

St. John of the Cross considers this recollection one of the signs necessary before a person may abandon meditation, calling it simply “attentiveness to God.” While there are perhaps a few different ways of expressing it, basically it is contemplation that one is able to acquire with sincere habitual efforts to remain in God’s presence.
 
I think the dividing line between acquired or infused contemplation is not so clear, cut and dry. A person can be receiving infused contemplation without even knowing it. St John of the Cross says that infused contemplation begins with the dark night of the senses. He says most spiritual persons who practice prayer enter this night and that it is customary and not uncommon. But the infused contemplation here is dry and most often indiscernable. I think it is possible that what we call acquired contemplation can often times actually be the beginnings of infused contemplation.
Thank you Richa! Your whole post was good but this especially stood out from the point of view of what Simple Soul asked.

I do believe the dividing line between the acquired and infused can be very thin indeed for some souls. I think this is especially so for those whose way of prayer has progressed from the affective (Prayer of Heart) to the highly simplified (Prayer of Simplicity). For those whose entire life becomes an almost continuous act of “I look at Him and He looks at me” … where (frequent) use of interior words has become more like a “simple gaze” or “smile to He whom we know is always present” … well I think these individuals often go back and forth between the acquired and infused quite frequently … whether or not they even realize it.

But this is something very difficult to explain … experience, though, will show that it is true. The Prayer of Simplicity can easily progress to the Prayer of Quiet in those who learn to hear the Masters voice … which is incredibly soft, gentle and subtle. As St. Teresa shows, we “hear” in a manner that is akin to intuition. We “sense” or “feel” it coming upon us. But, as St. John of the Cross shows, in untrained souls the tendency is to snuff out that hearing by trying to remain active with our prayer. Hence a source of trial in the passive night of sense.

And from this point the Prayer of Union is just a rock throw away. It is, imo, a deeper expression of interior silence that can flow from quiet if we remain open and receptive. All our faculties have been stilled … not just our will. And from there, even ecstatic states can beckon … with the associated extraordinary phenomena like imaginative visions and locutions.

All of this is experienced in a very interior way … and in interior silence. There is a “flow” to it where one can move back and forth between mansions (using St. Teresa’s terminology) … yet it is fleeting all the same. These brief descriptions attempt to show the movement of the soul from the 3rd mansion (simplicity) to the 4th (quiet) to the 5th (union) and 6th (ecstatic) … which can all happen in a single time of prayer. Or not at all … or in differing combinations.

Some where I heard it said that it is one level of grace to practice/receive contemplation in this way … another level of grace to understand what is happening in one’s soul … and still another level of grace to be able to explain it to others.

Even the Saints lamented the futility of words. I know mine do not do it justice.

Thank you!
Dave 🙂
 
The person may not always sense God’s presence in a manifest way, Fred, but it will develop the excellent habit of striving to be with Him in moments of recollected prayer throughout its day, and even intermittently if it should wake from sleep. Here are some of St. Teresa’s encouraging words regarding this, from her Life, Chapter XII.

You see, then, that she doesn’t call it “acquired recollection” specifically, but to put a label on this practice, many Carmelites have coined this term to express the reality of what the soul may do to help itself. She advises all to try and develop this wonderful manner of walking with the Lord in simple attentiveness to Him, with or without words.

St. John of the Cross considers this recollection one of the signs necessary before a person may abandon meditation, calling it simply “attentiveness to God.” While there are perhaps a few different ways of expressing it, basically it is contemplation that one is able to acquire with sincere habitual efforts to remain in God’s presence.
Thanks for all the ideas on what the process is. Actually it sounds like it is an exchange of thoughts with Christ tho this might flow into a more sedative appreciation of his presence, while it may then flow into some thoughts from or about him, and then flow into a broad gaze of him, in which any of these may be but a minute of less in time.

Someone mentioned that acquired contemplation could begin at the very beginning of the spiritual life when one is weeding out serious sins. It dosen’t need to wait for an advanced spiritual life. Would this contemplation would be a bit different than those who have gone further down the spiritual road?​

“Thou my best thought, by day or by night, waking or sleeping, Thy presence my light.” (hymn)
 
fred conty:
Someone mentioned that acquired contemplation could begin at the very beginning of the spiritual life when one is weeding out serious sins. It dosen’t need to wait for an advanced spiritual life. Would this contemplation would be a bit different than those who have gone further down the spiritual road?
I would believe it is less ardent, less habitual, less aware of God’s presence than it would be for someone who has been in this contemplative mode for many years. Yet I do believe the practice can be developed in early stages of spirituality, and one can never go wrong with this.

Osuna gives this practice many names, though we usually refer to it today as acquired. His names for it are: enkindling, welcome, consent, marrow, attraction, adoption, arrival of the Lord, a height that raises up the soul, and spiritual ascension. (Pgs. 166-7 of Third Spiritual Alphabet)

Without a good deal of meditation and prayer, though, I do not think it would be easy for a person to develop this holy practice. Spiritual growth is gradual, ultimately leading to affective simplicity, and/or wordless attentiveness to God. 😉
 
Fred, that was a very good answer Sirach gave. 🙂

Here’s some additional thoughts from Brother Lawrence who spoke of these matters at some length … and hopefully provide an additional level of confirmation to what you ask.

Brother Lawrence recommended acquired contemplation in the manner discussed on this thread for all good hearted souls who have begun the process of conforming themselves to Christ. For those, he considers the Practice of the Presence of God to be the shortest, truest path to holiness.

In the beginning, though, it can be tough work … drudgery even. He even uses the word “repugnant” for what we might feel sometimes. Why? Well we come to see when we embark on this path that we have many conflicting loves in our heart and we haven’t progressed far enough yet to sort all that out. Much purification is required – both active and passive. So we are faced with some initial difficulties that test the true direction of our desire … as well as our faithfulness in the face of trial … to the type of relationship we “think” we seek. That, imo, is what is tested in the beginning.

First, in our fallen nature, we are simply prone to forgetfulness. So much of acquired contemplation is devoted to the act of re-remembering Him. And this can perhaps be a lifelong effort … for as the Psalmist says “even the just man will fall seven times a day.” Second, there are things about this that have to be learned through practice, perseverance and, of course, grace. Namely, interior multi-tasking: how to be occupied with one’s cares and concerns yet mindful of Christ at the same time. In the beginning, perhaps, it is approached from more of an either or basis. And lastly, as you hint in your post, maybe there are times such souls might “choose” to forget Christ … when we occupy ourselves with things we’d rather not have Him see (as if that’s possible). So the work-of-the-work in all this is the sorting out of our interior priorities … what St. John of the Cross speaks of in the active nights where we learn exterior and interior methods of self-denial in order to remain more fully in His presence.

Contrast that now with the more perfected soul … perhaps someone of St. Teresa’s 7th mansion. Many things can be said of this type of union but I will only focus on one part of it: the nature of prayer. What we know from her is this: that ecstatic states and extraordinary phenomena like visions cease (if they were ever given in the first place). And while I’m not sure she says, I see no reason why ordinary infused contemplation (quiet and union) would not remain. But the heart of it all, imo, remains the whole realm of acquired contemplation. For this very definitely remains … but takes on a different characteristic.

No longer is it work. Rather it becomes effortless and second nature … almost like breathing (Brother Lawrence) … and habitual (St. Teresa). We are in-tune … in rhythm … in-sync with the working of the Holy Spirit in the depth of our souls. Perhaps it could be said the acquired contemplation of these individual’s is something like the butterfly gently bobbing up and down on the hidden waves of the breeze; whereas before it might have been more like the swimmer valiantly treading water with a millstone tied around his waist.

And what lies in between the point A and Point B of these comments? Well that’s the work of much of our interior life … the active and passive interplay and cooperation where our acquired contemplation becomes less a matter of “do-ing” as “be-ing.”

Dave 🙂
 
Very well said, Dave! :clapping:

Why are you working on Father’s Day? 😃 For you, though, this is not work – it’s second nature.

Have a blessed Father’s Day!
 
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