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Can you please explain to me what a Traditional Catholic is! I need to know if I fall in this category!! 🙂
 
It is common today to hear terms “traditional catholic” and “progressive” or “liberal catholic.”

There is really only one kind of catholic. That is because there is only one objective truth which the catholic church is based on - Jesus Christ. You either accept the teaching of the Catholic Church or you do not.

Usually, traditional refers to people that accept the whole truth and on occasion refers to people that like the Tridentine Latin Mass (TLM). Both are fine and totally acceptable.

Non-traditional almost always refers to a reservation about the teaching of the church. In some cases this term is used by people that:
  • like more modern music at mass;
  • promote a more female presence in the church;
  • are great champions of social justice and service projects in the parish;
These latter objectives may seem acceptable but are rather liberal and indicate a deeper fundamental faith flaw. For example, these groups normally do not promote traditional (correct) faith elements such as Sacrament of Penance on a regular basis. Many may in fact be using contraception, which is a big problem in today’s parishes.

After some experience, you can spot a liberal or catholic church right away when you enter the building. There are signs and symbols.
 
Samuel63 said:
It is common today to hear terms “traditional catholic” and “progressive” or “liberal catholic.”

There is really only one kind of catholic. That is because there is only one objective truth which the catholic church is based on - Jesus Christ. You either accept the teaching of the Catholic Church or you do not.

Usually, traditional refers to people that accept the whole truth and on occasion refers to people that like the Tridentine Latin Mass (TLM). Both are fine and totally acceptable.

Non-traditional almost always refers to a reservation about the teaching of the church. In some cases this term is used by people that:
  • like more modern music at mass;
  • promote a more female presence in the church;
  • are great champions of social justice and service projects in the parish;
These latter objectives may seem acceptable but are rather liberal and indicate a deeper fundamental faith flaw. For example, these groups normally do not promote traditional (correct) faith elements such as Sacrament of Penance on a regular basis. Many may in fact be using contraception, which is a big problem in today’s parishes.

After some experience, you can spot a liberal or catholic church right away when you enter the building. There are signs and symbols.
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Yes, promoting service projects usually indicates a deeply flawed faith. :rolleyes:
 
Traditional Catholics means believing “totally without any doubt or compromise” in what is said in the Bible as well as the teachings and traditions of the Catholic Church. When I mean “what is said in the Bible”, I mean as intrepreted by the Catholic Church. Not as private interpretation/revelation during the spur of a Kodak moment. 😉 Traditions and teachings mean as handed down to us through the Early Church Fathers as well as those teachings handed down through the succession of Popes. Catholics believe in the infallibility of the Pope when it comes to matters of faith. It doesn’t mean that the pope doesn’t make mistakes like the rest of us … afterall he is human. But that when it comes to matters of faith, he is “fully” guided/led by the Holy Spirit and will be doing the will of God. Thus a doctrine of the Catholic Church can never be an error or is wrong.

Personally for me … a traditional Catholic means following “fully” and “completely” (without a question) the teachings of the Catholic Church. That doesn’t mean we just accept every teachings for what it is, but rather that we must dig deeper as Catholics into why our Church teaches things the way it does. That way when we are accused of being “old-fashioned” or out of touch with the times, we are able to explain our beliefs and faith without sounding lost/brainwashed. “Traditions” is what sets up apart from our fellow Protestants who believe in Sola Scriptura (i.e. Bible alone). I always liken the Catholic Church to a “fibrous” root plant. That’s why the Church has been able to survive this long and with such a great following. The Protestant movement I liken to a “tap” root, growing deep but not necessarily spreading far and wide. Sorry for that reference. I apologise to my Protestant brothers and sisters if I’ve offended any. I do believe with all my heart though that the Catholic Church is the ONE TRUE CHURCH handed down by Jesus Christ.

Whoo…😃 Your question really got me going. Sorry if I’ve bored anyone. God bless! 🙂
 
Samuel63 said:
Non-traditional almost always refers to a reservation about the teaching of the church. In some cases this term is used by people that:
  • like more modern music at mass;
  • promote a more female presence in the church;
  • are great champions of social justice and service projects in the parish;
These latter objectives may seem acceptable but are rather liberal and indicate a deeper fundamental faith flaw. For example, these groups normally do not promote traditional (correct) faith elements such as Sacrament of Penance on a regular basis. Many may in fact be using contraception, which is a big problem in today’s parishes.
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Without any offense meant, while your explanation is excellent. I do have a reservation about the bias of the promotion of traditional and fully correct faith elements. While I do not argue against the traditionalist sense of the elements of the faith as practiced by traditionalists, I think those who do not partake in traditionalist Catholicism, do not necessarily believe that they are doing wrong by not following tradition some of which was deemed unnecessary in the Vatican II Council.
 
Pope Benedict XVI reminds us that we should not view “traditional” and “progressive” as opposites. The church must act differently to different cultures and times in the world. but church laws and divine laws are still the priority.
 
joclucsylv said:
Can you please explain to me what a Traditional Catholic is! I need to know if I fall in this category!! 🙂
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A short definition would be: “A ‘traditional Catholic’ (or ‘traditionalist Catholic’) is a Catholic who recognizes the above errors [see first link - Ed.] in the presentation of Catholic teaching, who sees unwise pastoral decisions for what they are, and who does all in his power to preserve the Holy Faith in a manner consistent with how it has always been understood, and to preserve all of the liturgical rites and customs of the Church as they were before the ‘spirit of Vatican II’ revolution.”

Taken from a good introduction on traditional Catholicism: fisheaters.com/traditionalcatholicism.html

Here is one (good) man’s attempt to define what it means to be a traditional Catholic: fisheaters.com/ontraditionalcatholics.html

And here are two scholarly articles (the second moreso than the first) on the difference between conservative and traditional Catholics:

seattlecatholic.com/article_20011221_A_Brief_Defense_of_Traditionalism.html

latinmassmagazine.com/articles/articles_2001_SP_Ripperger.html

God bless! 🙂
 
joclucsylv said:
Can you please explain to me what a Traditional Catholic is! I need to know if I fall in this category!! 🙂
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Why do not need to know if a label can be applied to you, especially if you do not know what the label is about? Will that make you a better Catholic? Do you think that Pope Benedict XVI is in favor of labeling Catholics?
 
Inquiringperson said:
What’s wrong with service projects? Unless I’m taking service projects in the wrong context, aren’t they good things?
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Sorry, I should have explained the point more. It is misleading. I have seen two parishes now that drifted away from the proper form of the mass and injected a lot of improper content. I sometimes blame this on that ever present “creative liturgist.”

One symptom that was common was an unbalanced focus on social justice. This transferred in both cases to service projects that reminded me of pep rallys at high school - only in the church right after mass. In one case it was during the homily (very inappropriate).

In any case that is the idea. Parishes that were wrecked by post Vatican II rebellion against the church exhibit these symptoms more than just randomly. The social justice emphasis is an attempt at self-justification.

Service projects and helping the poor and needy are great. They have to be in balance with a proper mass. That is all.
 
MarkThompson said:
Yes, promoting service projects usually indicates a deeply flawed faith. :rolleyes:
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I don’t think that was what the poster had in mind, but I think he is stating that these groups tend to focus more on the “social justice” part of the Church usually to promote a hidden/open agenda. I could be wrong, but thats what I got out of it.
 
A traditional Catholic is someone who holds fast to all of the traditional dogmas of the Catholic Church.
 
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Mario_Chavez said:
A traditional Catholic is someone who holds fast to all of the traditional dogmas of the Catholic Church. This does not only include the dogmas of the Real Prescence, the Papacy, Immaculate Conception, Purgatory, etc, but also the Catholic dogma Outside the Church There is No Salvation (meaning no “baptism of desire” or salvation for anyone outside the True Church), as well as a belief in the other traditional dogmas universally denied today. To learn more about the traditional Catholic Faith as well as what really happened to the Catholic Chuch after Vatican II; the shocking truth about the New Mass; and who John Paul II really was; please visit this very important website and youtube channel: mostholyfamilymonastery.com/ youtube.com/user/mhfm1
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A traditional Catholic first and foremost is a Catholic in full communion with the Church. I would not include heretics and schismatics in the definition.
 
archangel04 said:
I don’t think that was what the poster had in mind, but I think he is stating that these groups tend to focus more on the “social justice” part of the Church usually to promote a hidden/open agenda. I could be wrong, but thats what I got out of it.
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Yes! This is the right conclusion. An unbalanced focus on social justice is usually for a reason. There is a cause and effect in play. Why would a parish exhibit this behavior. Well, it is plausible this parish wants to legitimize their existence while dissenting from official chruch teaching.

If you see social justice a lot in your parish, start looking deeper. Use as a reference:

a. The Catechism of The Catholic Church;
b. The General Instruction of The Roman Missal (GIRM);
c. Redemptionis Sacramentum - vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccdds/documents/rc_con_ccdds_doc_20040423_redemptionis-sacramentum_en.html
 
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Traditional ethics accredit to those beliefs, moral codes, and association that are anesthetized down from bearing to bearing aural a culture, subculture or community. Since the backward 1970s in the U.S., the appellation “traditional values” has become alike with “family values” and betoken a accordance with boilerplate Christianity.
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The real opposites are the conservative (who wants to conserve the past) and the progressive (who wants to change the past).

Both movement has its merits and negatives. There are elements in our life and in the Church which should not be changed, and there are elements which need renewal.

The problem is, if a movement becomes absolute, and says that nothing may be changed (at least in a particular area like Liturgy), or says that nothing is to be retained from the past. Both excess is wrong.

One of the things which should not and may not be changed from the past is the primacy of the Magisterium: this and only this makes us Catholic.
 
In the context of this forum, a traditionalist Catholic is one who prefers the Tridentine Mass and the practices of the Church before 1963.

They look down on other Catholics who don’t share their views, label as a ‘modernist’ any Catholic who prefers to attend the Ordinary Form of the Mass, and generally feel that they are the keepers of the faith.

Traditionalist Catholics generally believe that one can not say one is conservative or has “orthodox” beliefs and not be a traditionalist. One is either a traditionalist or a modernist liberal who is responsible for the demise of the Church.
 
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