Delaying Deployment of Penitential Act A (& B) - Revised Translation

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Hi all,

Let me know if any of you have heard of this and if there’s any basis to it:

At the end of the Mass I served yesterday, I noticed that in the seasonal pew cards that our ‘liturgist’/musical director provided during the build up to the full use of the new Roman Missal translation, the revised Confiteor (option A) and/or option B have never been included. They’ve all included only one Mass setting, albeit a better one (Proulx), which includes a sung Credo, which we’ve never done before at our parish.

Being a daily Mass goer, I asked if some other cards would be provided as I know some of the priests (we are blessed with up to 5 in a given week) prefer to use option A on the weekdays. He said option A wouldn’t be utilized until Lent – that he would ‘instruct’ the priests to use option C, and encourage using the sung format used on Sundays. He doesn’t even go to daily Mass, at least not at our parish.

I’ve been looking forward to the revised wording of the Confiteor, and I have a suspicion that he shouldn’t be able to suppress use of the other penitential act options. Can he?

Believe me when I say that going to the pastor on this would fall on deaf ears, as many things have in the past, but most of which I’ve been able to work around. I think this is a bit bigger.

PLEASE DO NOT TURN THIS INTO A GENERAL RANT ON THE CONCEPT OF HAVING A NON-CLERICAL LITURGIST, but please let me know if you’ve 1) heard of delaying deployment of any of the revised texts; and 2) what basis, if any, there might be to having such a delay. (I’m sure my phrasing has given away how I feel about liturgists 👍 )

As an aside, I can’t believe with a parish our size (over 6000 registered families) we don’t have spoken response pew cards like I’ve seen in at least two other churches I’ve been to Mass at in the past week, whether the professionally done ones by the various printing houses or home printed. Before using any other settings, IMO, learning the basic ones approved by ICEL would have been a good place to start.
 
…oh and and options B & C of the memorial acclamation, too, aren’t being used/introduced. 😦
 
Haven’t heard such a thing.

In fact, our pew cards have penitential rites A and B on them but no C. (And we used C on Sunday.) We tend to use option A during Lent only. But that was the case before the new translation was an issue.

I never checked to see what the Memorial Acclamations were.
 
the pastor may choose to implement only one or two of the prayers that have choices, as well as only one of the sung versions, to give people the chance to get acclimated to the new ones gradually. If the “liturgist-music director” whoever is general given delegated authority to make such choices, than yes, he can. Each priest is the liturgist for the Mass he celebrates so any of your other priests may of course over rule that decision, just hope he knows what resources the people have available to them. I would just guess though, not having the luxury of either a lay music director or multiple priests, that most priests who celebrate Mass in a large parish where a lay director has a lot of say over musical settings, responses etc. that they have found discretion to be the better part of liturgical correctness and may go along with those choices to save themselves aggravation by not rocking the boat.
 
If your parish has decided to use one of the options but not another one, then they are not delaying the enactment of the changes; they are simply choosing which option(s) they will use in Mass. If they are saying that none of the new translation options will be in use, then you have a problem. No one is required to use option A (or any specific option), they are just required to select one of the options using the new translation. It sounds as if your parish has simply determined which option will be used for now, and the others may come into play at a later date. Although you clearly have your preference of the options, the one that your priest or the music director selects is the one your parish will use. As a previous poster said, the priest at any given Mass has the right to select which option to use, so you may indeed experience the options you prefer.
 
I am sure each option will be introduced so that way people get familiar with them. I certainly am looking forward to the Confiteor’s new translation being used, and hope at the churches I go to that it gets used a bit more.
 
MissRose73 said:
I am sure each option will be introduced so that way people get familiar with them. I certainly am looking forward to the Confiteor’s new translation being used, and hope at the churches I go to that it gets used a bit more.
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Our priest used option A of the Penitential Rite, and it flowed beautifully! I don’t think too many people had trouble with it, even though the old version is so ingrained in many peoples’ memories. I literally choked up at the line, “through my most grievous fault” and could barely finish. It does bring home the gravity of one’s sins.
 
There are options, apparently in your parish they choose for Advent to stay with Form C of the Penitential Act and not use it until Lent. There is nothing wrong with that. As Clergy and a liturgist, I chose to use form ‘A’ during Advent, and then again during Lent. The two times a year we have used it in the past.
Also for the memorial acclamation I chose form ‘A’ for Advent. ‘B’ for ordinary time and ‘C’ for Easter Time.
 
kinderbueno said:
Hi all,

Let me know if any of you have heard of this and if there’s any basis to it:

At the end of the Mass I served yesterday, I noticed that in the seasonal pew cards that our ‘liturgist’/musical director provided during the build up to the full use of the new Roman Missal translation, the revised Confiteor (option A) and/or option B have never been included. They’ve all included only one Mass setting, albeit a better one (Proulx), which includes a sung Credo, which we’ve never done before at our parish.

Being a daily Mass goer, I asked if some other cards would be provided as I know some of the priests (we are blessed with up to 5 in a given week) prefer to use option A on the weekdays. He said option A wouldn’t be utilized until Lent – that he would ‘instruct’ the priests to use option C, and encourage using the sung format used on Sundays. He doesn’t even go to daily Mass, at least not at our parish.

I’ve been looking forward to the revised wording of the Confiteor, and I have a suspicion that he shouldn’t be able to suppress use of the other penitential act options. Can he?

Believe me when I say that going to the pastor on this would fall on deaf ears, as many things have in the past, but most of which I’ve been able to work around. I think this is a bit bigger.

PLEASE DO NOT TURN THIS INTO A GENERAL RANT ON THE CONCEPT OF HAVING A NON-CLERICAL LITURGIST, but please let me know if you’ve 1) heard of delaying deployment of any of the revised texts; and 2) what basis, if any, there might be to having such a delay. (I’m sure my phrasing has given away how I feel about liturgists 👍 )

As an aside, I can’t believe with a parish our size (over 6000 registered families) we don’t have spoken response pew cards like I’ve seen in at least two other churches I’ve been to Mass at in the past week, whether the professionally done ones by the various printing houses or home printed. Before using any other settings, IMO, learning the basic ones approved by ICEL would have been a good place to start.
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There is no reason to dealy any part of the New Missal. It appears to be a choice he is making. we use the confeitor and said it we never sing it. there is nothing say that option A is not to be used till Lent so it seems he is doing so because he wants to.
 
We used penitential Act A, and Father apologized at the end of mass for his messing up some of the Chants he uses. He is working with the musical director to get all the Chant parts correct.

He almost always uses Act A, we also used the Nicene Creed.

After all the practice, I only messed up once (‘and also with you’ at the very end of mass) He had a LOT more things to get right.

I’m hoping for a much better Gloria. The sung one we were using was terrible (musically). It took 3 months for me to get the change from Latin to English (and I was younger then) so I’m giving me a few months to make the changes.
 
Thank you all for the perspective…I guess as far as a priest having the option to use the other options will likely bring the other options to light, I’m just a little perturbed that based on what’s actually in the home-printed pew card that the ‘average’ person in the pew on Sunday may think the Church did away with Penitential A and that we only have one Mysterium Fidei. And worse, the fact that the congregants don’t know there are options could cause even more confusion should the priest exercise any other options during the week.

I personally find it a little insulting to think we can’t handle the word “OR” in the pews. The publishing houses clearly have printed out all the options, so while I don’t think (hope) it was intentional, I don’t know why it seems so little is thought of our parishoners’ comprehension.

(so I think maybe I broke my own rant rule… 😛 )

Come to think of it, I don’t think I’ve heard anything other than option C in the parish on Sunday in quite some time. The cantor wouldn’t have something to do if A was used… :eek:
 
In my parish, we pray Penitential Act B during the season of Advent and may continue its use throughout Christmastide. I’m surprised more parishes do not do this. After all, “Show us, O Lord, your mercy; and grant us your salvation.” is Psalm 85(84):8. Psalm 85(84) is one of the two seasonal Psalms of Advent, the Gospel Verse on the First Sunday of Advent in all three Lectionary years, the Communion Antiphon and Psalm on the First Sunday of Advent, the Responsorial Psalm on the Second Sunday of Advent in Year B, the Psalm of the Entrance Antiphon on the Third Sunday of Advent, and the Offertory Antiphon on the Second and Third Sundays of Advent.

Even the first part of Penitential Act B corresponds well with Advent and Christmastide. “Have mercy on us, O Lord; for we have sinned against you.” is taken from Baruch 3:2. Baruch appears in readings and antiphons several times during the seasons of Advent and Christmas. His book only appears twice during the entire rest of the liturgical year–in the Responsory during the Imposition of Ashes on Ash Wednesday and in the Sixth Reading of the Easter Vigil Mass.

We sing Kyrie XVIII A (Deus Genitor Alme) after praying Penitential Act B, although in future years we hope to sing Kyrie XVII C at least on the Third Sunday of Advent.
 
You are over thinking this. The pastor/liturgist apparently has chosen which options to use at this time. Since the pew cards are ‘homemade’, they only put on them the options that you will use during Advent. At Christmas or Lent, whenever a change in options is made, new cards will be made.

If this truly bothers you, ask the pastor about it. You can specifically ask where the pew cards came from and if any others are being made/bought. If your church also uses missalettes or hymnals with the Mass settings, all the options are in them.
 
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