Democratic Ad: Catholic Church More Concerned About Abortion Than Poor

[ManOnFire]

Money is not the main problem. Push-my-pleasure-button instant gratification, poor judgment, people who don’t realize how weak they have become that they honestly think that more pleasure is the solution, immorality which leads to broken homes and growing cycles of poverty: these are the main problems. Passionate, good will intentions to force taxpayers to pay someone else to do the duties that we have become too weak to do ourselves will only place the country deeper into debt until bankruptcy eventually occurs, and an atheist dictatorship must force us to behave. Where’s the freedom in that?

People are finally waking up to the hypocrisies and social injustices such as people voting to force hard working taxpayers to pay for their healthcare while they spend their money on drugs and elective entertainment.

 

[estesbob]

it really doesn’t matter whether catholics care more about the one issue than the other or think that they are of equal importance since catholics do not need to choose between them.

fighting poverty is the best way to fight abortion!

Although there is no real evidence to support this view since both parties are committed to fighting poverty is really irrelevant to the discussion at hand. By the way, you don’t fight poverty by killing potential recipients.

 

[CHRISTINE77]

\

I still don’t follow your logic. It seems to beyou’re saying that Republicans insistence that the healthcare bill not fund abortions caused the healthcare bill to fund abortions. This seems to be the usual convoluted thinking we see by those Catholics trying to twist church teaching into supporting their political views.It would appear since the overwhelming majority of Democrats in both houses insisted the bill fund abortions that any attempt to blame Republicans for this is absolutely specious.

Eventually I imagine, the people on public heathcare, will be forced to have abortions. That’s part of the new liberal agenda.

 

[Black_Rose]

Although there is no real evidence to support this view since both parties are committed to fighting poverty is really irrelevant to the discussion at hand. By the way, you don’t fight poverty by killing potential recipients.

Don’t pretend that the Republican Party is committed to fighting poverty.

(And I did not make any supposition that the Democratic Party fervently opposes poverty.)

 

[Rocinante]

i just studied the poster carefully and noticed that it doesn’t say anything about abortion or any other issue.

it does suggest that the catholic clergy have priorities that they consider to be above helping the poor. i suspect they were referring to gay marriage as well as abortion and perhaps hinting at protecting priests from prosecution as sex offenders.

one thing is for sure, some people think that there is enough anti-catholic sentiment in the twin cities to make it worth printing these posters. it’s sad, but to some extent to be expected given the sex abuse scandal.

though this poster is certainly in bad taste, it was not made by any candidate or the democratic party.

please remember that the choose life party is the democratic one. the republicans, in spite of their pro-life rhetoric, will only make the abortion problem worse by making more poor people. they are pro-life for corporations and a corporation’s right (as a person!??) to buy candidates, but that is as pro-life as they get in practice.

again, please see:
catholics-united.org/?q=node/197

 

[estesbob]

Don’t pretend that the Republican Party is committed to fighting poverty.

(And I did not make any supposition that the Democratic Party fervently opposes poverty.)

Of course they are. The fact that they do not embrace the huge social spending programs that liberals do is totally irrelevant to whether they want to fight poverty or not. Of course I know that this attitude is the one that liberal Catholics who want to reject church teaching on abortion use to try and rationalize their political views.

I’ve always looked upon this Republicans don’t want to fight poverty myth as a type of extortion. Liberals claim that until conservatives embrace their property programs the children must continue to die. Basically Democrats are saying since Republicans do not do enough to keep us from killing children it’s okay for you to vote for us even though we support killing children.

 

[CHRISTINE77]

i just studied the poster carefully and noticed that it doesn’t say anything about abortion or any other issue.

it does suggest that the catholic clergy have priorities that they consider to be above helping the poor. i suspect they were referring to gay marriage as well as abortion and perhaps hinting at protecting priests from prosecution as sex offenders.

one thing is for sure, some people think that there is enough anti-catholic sentiment in the twin cities to make it worth printing these posters. it’s sad, but to some extent to be expected given the sex abuse scandal.

though this poster is certainly in bad taste, it was not made by any candidate or the democratic party.

please remember that the choose life party is the democratic one. the republicans, in spite of their pro-life rhetoric, will only make the abortion problem worse by making more poor people. they are pro-life for corporations and a corporation’s right (as a person!??) to buy candidates, but that is as pro-life as they get in practice.

again, please see:
catholics-united.org/?q=node/197

Excuse me, how do the republicans make more poor people? By not having abortions?

 

[Rocinante]

Of course they are. The fact that they do not embrace the huge social spending programs that liberals do is totally irrelevant to whether they want to fight poverty or not. Of course I know that this attitude is the one that liberal Catholics who want to reject church teaching on abortion use to try and rationalize their political views.

I’ve always looked upon this Republicans don’t want to fight poverty myth as a type of extortion. Liberals claim that until conservatives embrace their property programs the children must continue to die. Basically Democrats are saying since Republicans do not do enough to keep us from killing children it’s okay for you to vote for us even though we support killing children.

there is no political party or political candidate in the US that supports killing children. people who are pro-choice don’t think abortion is a good thing. every pro-choice person i know thinks abortion is bad–something that ought not happen. they just think that making it illegal would be worse than allowing it.

personally, i don’t know what would be worse, but i know that over turning roe v wade won’t do anything and fighting poverty will.

i also know that the democrats have policies that are more favorable to the poor while the republicans are only good at making the super wealthy even wealthier.

do you think that jesus subscribes to supply side economics?

 

[pnewton]

there is no political party or political candidate in the US that supports killing children. people who are pro-choice don’t think abortion is a good thing. every pro-choice person i know thinks abortion is bad–something that ought not happen. they just think that making it illegal would be worse than allowing it.

Like raping women? It is a bad thing, but we really shouldn’t make it illegal. Might I inquire if you see a difference?

 

[PJM]

=juliee;7203435]Democratic Ad: Catholic Church More Concerned About Abortion Than Poor

St. Paul, MN – A campaign postcard the Minnesota Democratic Party sent to voters in the Midwestern state is causing a strong reaction from pro-life advocates. It claims the Catholic Church is more concerned with abortion than helping the poor.

LifeNews.com/state-5604

***Alow me to ask friends:

Which is the greaterTragedy:

Being murdered or being poor? ***

And it’s a lie to boot: Catholic Charities the the WORLDS SINGLE LARGEST PROVIDER OF ASSISTANCE"THE THE POOR."

 

[Rocinante]

Excuse me, how do the republicans make more poor people? By not having abortions?

what do you mean “by not having abortions”? conservative states and counties have higher abortion rates than liberal states and counties. didn’t you know?

republicans make more poor people with their economic policies, not with the lip service they pay to life issues. that is just their way of getting poor religious people to vote against their own interests. its diabolical really.

do you really think that the fat cat wealthy capitalists really care a lick about the unborn? they don’t. their conservatism is all about lowering taxes for the rich and screwing the rest of us. they don’t care about the issue, but it is in their interest to get us arguing about whether gays ought to marry or whether their ought to be an islamic cultural center between the mcdonald’s and the strip club in lower manhatten. they play on people’s homophobia and racism over immigration. and while we’re all looking the wrong way, they get richer and richer and the poor keep getting poorer.

i’m not saying that the dems are a hundred percent better. in fact, they are only a littel to somewhat better in regard to being beholden to corporate interests, but there is still a difference.

rocinante

 

[portarica]

\

I still don’t follow your logic. It seems to beyou’re saying that Republicans insistence that the healthcare bill not fund abortions caused the healthcare bill to fund abortions. This seems to be the usual convoluted thinking we see by those Catholics trying to twist church teaching into supporting their political views.It would appear since the overwhelming majority of Democrats in both houses insisted the bill fund abortions that any attempt to blame Republicans for this is absolutely specious.

I am saying that because the Republicans would not support any healthcare bill, they got the bill they deserved.

The republicans took their balls and went home and the Democrats played the game with some of the wackos in their party instead.

You seem to not be considering the result of the republicans deciding that they would not vote for any healthcare bill. To paraphrase it, the Dems committed sins of commission, the Reps committed sins of omission. The unborn paid the penance for both.

Peace

 

[Rocinante]

Like raping women? It is a bad thing, but we really shouldn’t make it illegal. Might I inquire if you see a difference?

yeah, i see a huge difference. people who support abortion rights note that people who want abortions will always get them one way or another with frequently horrible consequences. even though abortion is a bad thing, it is still better that it be safe and legal if the alternative is making it illegal but nearly as prevalent anyway in addition to being extremely dangerous to our daughters who (wrongly) see no other viable option.

that is the argument anyway. like i said, i haven’t made up my mind about whether it is better legal or illegal.

 

[pnewton]

what do you mean “by not having abortions”? conservative states and counties have higher abortion rates than liberal states and counties. didn’t you know?

republicans make more poor people with their economic policies, not with the lip service they pay to life issues. that is just their way of getting poor religious people to vote against their own interests. its diabolical really.

do you really think that the fat cat wealthy capitalists really care a lick about the unborn? they don’t. their conservatism is all about lowering taxes for the rich and screwing the rest of us. they don’t care about the issue, but it is in their interest to get us arguing about whether gays ought to marry or whether their ought to be an islamic cultural center between the mcdonald’s and the strip club in lower manhatten. they play on people’s homophobia and racism over immigration. and while we’re all looking the wrong way, they get richer and richer and the poor keep getting poorer.

This is the most ridiculous, prejudicial and false description of Republicans that I have ever seen. It is what someone has been teaching you for sure, but it is also false. Most Republicans are not wealthy capitalist. Most are middle class working people that are sick and tired of taxes increasing every year of their life without end. We are tired of see more of what we earn siphoned off for the idle and the lazy. Most of us have no issue at all with helping the working poor keep more of what they earn at the same time. I for one am sick of seeing politicians use our money to buy* them *votes. I have no objection to helping those in need, *true *need, and need that is not s result of their own sloth.

 

[pnewton]

yeah, i see a huge difference. people who support abortion rights note that people who want abortions will always get them one way or another with frequently horrible consequences. even though abortion is a bad thing, it is still better that it be safe and legal if the alternative is making it illegal but nearly as prevalent anyway in addition to being extremely dangerous to our daughters who (wrongly) see no other viable option.

I do not see that as a difference. Rapists too will always commit rape rather it is legal or illegal. By keeping it illegal we reduce them to committing their crime in the back alleys in unsanitary conditions.

If that analogy does not suit you, then let me ask you to provide one difference between abortion and a mother deciding to kill her six month old daughter because** it **is an inconvenience. Could you also support infanticide?

 

[estesbob]

I am saying that because the Republicans would not support any healthcare bill, they got the bill they deserved.

The republicans took their balls and went home and the Democrats played the game with some of the wackos in their party instead.

You seem to not be considering the result of the republicans deciding that they would not vote for any healthcare bill. To paraphrase it, the Dems committed sins of commission, the Reps committed sins of omission. The unborn paid the penance for both.

Peace

. The idea that the healthcare bill funding abortions is the fault of those people that oppose abortion is absolutely ridiculous. Not unexpected, however. This is, as I mentioned before, exactly the kind of convoluted mental gymnastics those who claim to be pro-life but support those who promote abortion have to go through to rationalize their views

 

[Christopher68]

Eventually I imagine, the people on public heathcare, will be forced to have abortions. That’s part of the new liberal agenda.

The above comments have no basis in reality. These comments only reinforce the “us versus them” mentality that represents the worst of political discourse.

 

[PJM]

=portarica;7211301]I am saying that because the Republicans would not support any healthcare bill, they got the bill they deserved.

The republicans took their balls and went home and the Democrats played the game with some of the wackos in their party instead.

You seem to not be considering the result of the republicans deciding that they would not vote for any healthcare bill. To paraphrase it, the Dems committed sins of commission, the Reps committed sins of omission. The unborn paid the penance for both.

Peace

It’s an interestering but highly Democratic Party-line your taking. Do we forget who was in CONTROL of the Predency; the House AND THE SENATE! And it certainly was NOT Republicans that put them threre.

For the record; I’m neither! I’m one of those pesky independents who votes for whoever comes closest to my views; with the exception of Pro-Life issues which are esential to earn my vote.

There is MUCH I dislike about BOTH parties!

 

[portarica]

. The idea that the healthcare bill funding abortions is the fault of those people that oppose abortion is absolutely ridiculous. Not unexpected, however. This is, as I mentioned before, exactly the kind of convoluted mental gymnastics those who claim to be pro-life but support those who promote abortion have to go through to rationalize their views

It takes mental gymnastics to figure out that deciding to not act has consequences?

Your post also shows how people react when the people they support in the political arena are shown to have dirty hands. I in no fashion support or promote abortion, in fact I firmly believe that we should be doing everything we can to prevent even one life from being snuffed out.

So I find it ironic that some who portray themselves as being steadfastly pro-life are OK with their political favs not doing everything they can do to prevent that one additional life from being snuffed out.

If you don’t think that it is worth expending the mental energy required to hold our politicians feet to the fire to save that additional life, then I guess it means that we are content with the results of the actions and acts of omissions of our politicians.

Peace

 

[TheRealJuliane]

It is outrageous to me to see so many “anti-capitalists” on this forum. It shows that the communists have been making huge inroads with the last several generations. Class warfare is a classic communist tool for causing uprisings. This nonsense about “rich fat cats” is what the Democrat party has been sowing throughout our society. The “haves” and the “have nots, but want it alls” are now seen as opposites instead of viewing this country as the land of opportunity.

To me, it all began with the tearing down of our nation in history textbooks, and the constant hammering of the media (most propagandist departments - I refuse to call them journalism schools - have been run by communists since the 1970’s) have brainwashed our young people into believing that we are The Worst Country on the Planet, when the opposite is true!

So now they have no patriotism and it’s easy for them to believe bad things about the citizens of this great nation, and how easy it is to increase the envy and gluttony by just sprinkling in a few catch-phrases such as “Wall Street fat cats,” and “tax cuts for the rich.”

It used to be that people in this nation believed that each of them could achieve their goals, if they worked hard, did the right thing, and kept trying. What has replaced that work ethic? Envy of anyone who seems to have more stuff than you do? What right do you have to take away what ANYONE has gained? Just because you think he or she MIGHT HAVE been selfish along the way?

Property rights have always been sacred in this nation, until progressives came along and started taking what didn’t belong to them, in the name of “helping.” By making the government into the Big Daddy, it relieves citizens of the responsibility of helping each other WHEN NECESSARY and contributing our time, talent and treasure to take care of widows and orphans. The government becomes a secular church (yeah that’s a contradiction), but it takes our money without our consent and distributes it to whomever it decides needs our money more than we do.

I get disheartened to see how many of these socialists aren’t even listening to wisdom from people who have lived through socialism → communism and are trying to warn us that we are taking the same frightening path. When I talk to people who are from Russia, Eastern Europe, or Cuba, they are very concerned that their beloved country (they became CITIZENS of this nation legally) is going to turn into the same dung hole they got away from!

So now we have the first anti-American president. Are we really surprised? We are reaping what progressives have sowed for the last 100 years. Just look around at the results of their policies. More and bigger government is not going to fix this, and taking away property and wealth from those who obtained it legally and ethically is WRONG.


This is a great read, BTW, but really depressing. This infantilism runs deep in our society.

amazon.com/gp/product/097795630X/ref=cm_rdp_product