Democratic Ad: Catholic Church More Concerned About Abortion Than Poor

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portarica said:
Right and when we use false info because we think it helps the cause, it still remains false and counterproductive .

Want to get rid of abortion? Make more democrats see the virtue in the position. Making only Democrats responsible for abortion makes it a one issue decision for them as well.

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Since the Democrat party enshrines the right to taxpayer funded abortions in their party platform I hardly think it is false and counterproductive to point that out.
 
PetersKeys said:
This is why it is so important for parents to teach young women about mothering and childbearing preparation and skills. Preparing them for marriage and homemaking so they are prepared and fortified when the issue comes along. Trouble is many of these women lack any mothering and homemaking skills because they live in a society that degrades and puts down motherhood as unimportant. So when the issue comes up, they do not know what to do because they are so dead to the concept in the first place. Also parents need to teach their daughters about their chastity and their modesty and to keep a good eye on them(not allow dating). A young woman is under the authority of her father before she goes to her husband. And thus the father must guard the daughters chastity at all costs.
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This to me is the crux of the issue here. Remove fathers from the home through divorce, they are not there to guard their daughter’s chastity, to show her what it means to be pure, what she should look for in an honorable man. Remove fathers from the home by providing welfare ONLY to single mothers, the dads are released from their responsibilities and sons are raised only by mothers, not teaching young men what it means to be HONORABLE toward young women. A woman can teach a young man lots of things, but some things need to be given by the FATHER ONLY.

The fathers are the KEY. The fathers have to stop deserting their sons and daughters. Women have to stop believing that we don’t need men and can do and be everything a man can do. God created the family to be a man and a woman for a reason.

In my own life, both fathers failed - my own and my husband’s. And here we are. We’ve done remarkably well in some ways, and floundered in many others. I can see clearly where my own father failed me. He was a good man, but just couldn’t train up a girl in the way she should go. In the absence of that teaching, the culture stepped in and took over. And I will be forever wounded from that loss of a strong, protective, God-centered father. So will my husband, from his own brand of father-loss, in different ways.
 
TheRealJuliane said:
This to me is the crux of the issue here. Remove fathers from the home through divorce, they are not there to guard their daughter’s chastity, to show her what it means to be pure, what she should look for in an honorable man. Remove fathers from the home by providing welfare ONLY to single mothers, the dads are released from their responsibilities and sons are raised only by mothers, not teaching young men what it means to be HONORABLE toward young women. A woman can teach a young man lots of things, but some things need to be given by the FATHER ONLY.

The fathers are the KEY. The fathers have to stop deserting their sons and daughters. Women have to stop believing that we don’t need men and can do and be everything a man can do. God created the family to be a man and a woman for a reason.

In my own life, both fathers failed - my own and my husband’s. And here we are. We’ve done remarkably well in some ways, and floundered in many others. I can see clearly where my own father failed me. He was a good man, but just couldn’t train up a girl in the way she should go. In the absence of that teaching, the culture stepped in and took over. And I will be forever wounded from that loss of a strong, protective, God-centered father. So will my husband, from his own brand of father-loss, in different ways.
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Amen, sister!

And what’s causing broken homes and prevents the poor from climbing up the ladder? The glorification of lust, drugs, and violence in pop culture media. Pop culture media leads us men astray. They profiteer from the reduction of the people. We’d be better off if we turned it all off.
 
ManOnFire said:
Amen, sister!

And what’s causing broken homes and prevents the poor from climbing up the ladder? The glorification of lust, drugs, and violence in pop culture media. Pop culture media leads us men astray. They profiteer from the reduction of the people. We’d be better off if we turned it all off.
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thank you. I agree that the media needs to be out of the center of our lives.

But that is not the cause. That is a symptom. The cause is when we removed procreation from sex and kicked God out of our lives. When you remove the whole reason for existence in the first place, what is left? Look around, this is it.
 
TheRealJuliane said:
thank you. I agree that the media needs to be out of the center of our lives.

But that is not the cause. That is a symptom. The cause is when we removed procreation from sex and kicked God out of our lives. When you remove the whole reason for existence in the first place, what is left? Look around, this is it.
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I agree. As a man, I try to look at the issue from a practical and hormonal standpoint. We simply can’t look at all the scantilly-clad hotties in the media and choose to ignore them. It’s like waving chocolate cake in front of someone on a diet. SOmetimes it’s just easier to resist temptation out-of-sight-out-of-mind style. I feel that a more practical first step for us men is to slowly eliminate the number of hours per day we are exposed to pop culture media. It is turning too many guys into shallow simpletons instead of strong romantics.

Why don’t more people see that our SOCIAL problems are causing BOTH abortion and poverty???
 
ManOnFire said:
I agree. As a man, I try to look at the issue from a practical and hormonal standpoint. We simply can’t look at all the scantilly-clad hotties in the media and choose to ignore them. It’s like waving chocolate cake in front of someone on a diet. SOmetimes it’s just easier to resist temptation out-of-sight-out-of-mind style. I feel that a more practical first step for us men is to slowly eliminate the number of hours per day we are exposed to pop culture media. It is turning too many guys into shallow simpletons instead of strong romantics.

Why don’t more people see that our SOCIAL problems are causing BOTH abortion and poverty???
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Now that IS something that media contributes to - the dumbing down of society. People have been numbed out of any common sense, and hypnotized out of most of their morality as well. Turning off the boxes is critical.

Men were created by God to appreciate their wives through their eyes, and of course Satan has exploited this by creating porn. It takes one viewing for men’s brains to be affected. Just one. It’s like crack.:eek:
 
estesbob said:
I don’t know what pro-abortion site you pulled these bogus statistics from but the truth can be found here:

statehealthfacts.org/comparemaptable.jsp?cat=10&ind=465

Five states with the highest abortion rates are:

New York
Delaware
Florida
New Jersey
Nevada

The lowest rates were :

Wyoming
Idaho
Kentucky
Mississippi
South Dakota
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it appears that you are correct. i was unable to verify that statistics i cited from that other website.

rocinante
 
portarica said:
Then don’t say it was democrats responsible for Roe V. Wade, say it was Republicans that deserted the cause.

Why do some anti abortion supporters resort to making up stuff to try to make points, it makes it seem like all anti-abortion people will resort to untruths regarding abortion and that hurts the overall efforts to reduce abortion today and eliminate it tommorow.

Peace
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Your supporting abortion if you support the majority democrat party. And pro-life democrats like Stupak always get silenced and shut down, just like his amendment did. he eventually had to go against his pro-life values.

Also, did you not read my post? democrats and liberals put up every roadblock when conservatives tried to put abortion amendment language in the health bill. TWICE. They blocked the amendment language in the stupak-pitts bill and then they blocked the language in the Nelson bill. That is a fact
 
estesbob said:
Since the Democrat party enshrines the right to taxpayer funded abortions in their party platform I hardly think it is false and counterproductive to point that out.
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is this really true? a lot of misinformation gets thrown around in political debates these days, so i’d be interested in a source.
 
dmelosi said:
ontheissues.org/celeb/Democratic_Party_Abortion.htm
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i had assumed that the democrats are against abortion since i don’t know a single person, democrat or republican who is pro-abortion. i was not surprised to read on the link provided, “Our goal is to make abortion more rare, not more dangerous.”

it is clear that both parties at least have a stated goal of trying to reduce abortions. the question that remains is which party is more likely to be successful in achieving that goal?
 
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pnewton said:
This is the most ridiculous, prejudicial and false description of Republicans that I have ever seen. It is what someone has been teaching you for sure, but it is also false. Most Republicans are not wealthy capitalist. Most are middle class working people that are sick and tired of taxes increasing every year of their life without end. We are tired of see more of what we earn siphoned off for the idle and the lazy. Most of us have no issue at all with helping the working poor keep more of what they earn at the same time. I for one am sick of seeing politicians use our money to buy* them *votes. I have no objection to helping those in need, *true *need, and need that is not s result of their own sloth.
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👍:thumbsup:We have a screwtape posting among us, trying to lead us from a moral view.
anselm.
 
Rocinante said:
is this really true? a lot of misinformation gets thrown around in political debates these days, so i’d be interested in a source.
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ok, i guess this supports that claim since i would assume “regardless of ability to pay” must mean tax-payer funded abortion.:

ontheissues.org/celeb/Democratic_Party_Abortion.htm

Support right to choose even if mother cannot pay
Because we believe in the privacy and equality of women, we stand proudly for a woman’s right to choose, consistent with Roe v. Wade, and regardless of her ability to pay. We stand firmly against Republican efforts to undermine that right. At the same time, we strongly support family planning and adoption incentives. Abortion should be safe, legal, and rare.
 
Anselm33 said:
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👍:thumbsup:We have a screwtape posting among us, trying to lead us from a moral view.
anselm.
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can you please try to refrain from the name-calling?

obviously no one is trying to lead anyone to immorality. there just may be disagreement about what is and is not moral. i think we can assume that everyone here is trying to lead everyone else to a more moral view. some of us are just misguided about what is moral. (you think he is misguided, he probably thinks you are misguided.)
 
Rocinante said:
i had assumed that the democrats are against abortion since i don’t know a single person, democrat or republican who is pro-abortion. i was not surprised to read on the link provided, “Our goal is to make abortion more rare, not more dangerous.”

it is clear that both parties at least have a stated goal of trying to reduce abortions. the question that remains is which party is more likely to be successful in achieving that goal?
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Don’t you think the NARAL ratings make that very very clear?
 
ConstantineTG said:
They help the poor by aborting their babies so they don’t have extra mouths to feed.

Hey, thats how they’re pushing the Reproductive Health Bill in the Philippines by marketing it as a solution to poverty. The Bill seeks to introduce government funding to make ABCs available to the poor.
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There are many good answers here such as this one above, all it took was a little thought,and common sense ! So I question whatever happened to common sense in other posts?

Wasn’t it Jesus who said the poor will always be with you ?

Unfortunately the poorest of the poor ! Aborted babies that is ! Will never receive the love and care they deserve ! Their experience of life comes from a world of deceit; and I am sure those who are pro- choice will be judged accordingly in the next world.

God Bless
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Eternal rest, grant unto them O’ Lord and may perpetual light shine on these, the poorest of the poor. Amen
 
Rocinante said:
NARAL is definitely pro-choice, but i don’t have any reason to think that they want to increase the number of abortions.
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Here is just one example of NARAL and Planned Parenthood’s partnership.

plannedparenthood.org/rocky-mountains/files/Rocky%20Mountains/PPW_Dialogue10.pdf

Do you think that Planned Parenthood is actively trying to increase their income?

liveaction.org/blog/data-36-7-of-planned-parenthoods-health-center-income-is-from-abortions/

36.7% of Planned Parenthood health center income comes directly from aborting unborn children.

Planned Parenthood receives federal grants.

Do you really think any organization are going say that they promote increasing abortions?
 
dmelosi said:
Here is just one example of NARAL and Planned Parenthood’s partnership.

plannedparenthood.org/rocky-mountains/files/Rocky%20Mountains/PPW_Dialogue10.pdf

Do you think that Planned Parenthood is actively trying to increase their income?

liveaction.org/blog/data-36-7-of-planned-parenthoods-health-center-income-is-from-abortions/

36.7% of Planned Parenthood health center income comes directly from aborting unborn children.

Planned Parenthood receives federal grants.

Do you really think any organization are going say that they promote increasing abortions?
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yeah but you’ve set up this chain of conspiracy thinking where Planned Parenthood makes money from abortions and then secretly wants more abortions, and NARAL is in cahoots with Planned Parenthood, and democratic candidates are supported by NARAL therefore, and i find this highly doubtful, democratic candidates must want all to kill unborn babies. that’s just crazy. no one i know thinks that an increase in the number of women who seek abortions would be a good thing.
 
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